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Autoweek: Lexus IS-F

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There was always something wrong with all the earlier attempts by Lexus to make a BMW 3 Series. First, the IS 300 came onto the market with rear-wheel drive but an automatic. Then it got a manual but came with an intrusive stability program you couldn’t turn off. When the stronger 306-hp, 3.5-liter IS 350 came out, it again had an automatic but no stick.

Now, the mighty IS F, so powerful it doesn’t even get a number in its name, comes with a monstrous V8 and rear-wheel drive, and while it does have an eight-speed automatic transmission, it is such a good automatic transmission that you don’t even care that there is no manual. And the stability program comes with an off button that now, finally, stays the F off.

But first, what is an IS F, anyway? You may remember the one-off, V8-powered IS 430 made four years ago by racer-turned-engineering-guru Rod Millen (“Muscle Car Mania Hits Lexus,” AW, Dec. 22, 2003). At that time, the biggest sports sedan in the Lexus lineup was the 3.0-liter straight-six IS 300. Dropping a big V8 into this relatively small car followed the age-old hot-rodder engine-swap formula that gave us the Pontiac GTO and a host of other very fun cars.

One year later, an engineer in Japan, Yukihiko Yaguchi, approached product planners with his idea for the IS F. Breaking with tradition, wherein product planning does all the thinking up of ideas, product planning gave Yaguchi the green light. But no budget.

So Yaguchi recruited 100 to 300 of what the Lexus press department called “speed-crazy rogue engineers” and went to work. By begging, borrowing and cajoling everything from wind-tunnel time to finite element analysis, he eventually built what you see here.

Let’s talk about that 5.0-liter V8. Yaguchi didn’t want a turbo-charger to get power, because it lacked linearity. He laughed out loud when we asked if a V10 would fit. Yes, it would, he said, but it’s way too expensive and heavy. The engine he started with was the 4.6-liter V8 from the LS and the GS. Working with Yamaha, Yaguchi’s team stroked it a quarter-inch to get the displacement up to 5.0 liters. Adding the stroke made it less undersquare, giving it inherently better low-end torque. Improve-ments to the heads by Yamaha gave it high-end horsepower. It now produces 416 hp and more than 371 lb-ft of torque, numbers that make the old IS engine look like a weed whacker.

It has many unique features not found on the LS and the GS, such as dual air intakes, coolers for engine oil and trans fluid and even a cylinder-head scavenge pump so all the engine oil won’t get stuck up in the heads during high-g cornering. There are two fuel injectors per cylinder—one more or less normal port injector and one high-pressure direct injector. Below 3200 rpm, intake air comes from a single opening at the grille; above 3200, a second intake opens inside the engine bay to increase flow. The titanium intake valves are electrically variable on the intake side, while a hydraulic system controls the steel exhaust valves. Valve lift, while high, stays the same. The changes allow for a redline of 6800 rpm.


Aft of the V8 is what Lexus says is the world’s first eight-speed sport direct-shift transmission. It, too, starts life as the unit from the LS. In this application, the torque converter locks in second through eighth gears in manual mode for more efficiency. The paddle-shift manual mode holds each gear to the 6800-rpm redline. Upshifts take a tenth of a second, the fastest for a production transmission, Lexus says. Downshifts come with a blip of the throttle for smoothness.

The new car weighs 3780 pounds, only 250 more than the standard IS, so there is more than enough power to weight. Balance is 54/46 front/rear.

To get the most from the powertrain, Yaguchi tightened up the suspension throughout. First, he lowered the whole ride by an inch and stiffened the front springs by 9 percent over the IS 350 and the rears by 50 percent. Shocks and bushings are much firmer, antiroll bars substantially thicker. The rear suspension control arms are unique to the IS F to get the most from the forged 19-inch aluminum wheels. Tires are 168-mph-Y-rated Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s or Bridgestone Potenzas, 225/40 front and 255/35 rear, on 19-inch wheels. Brembo disc brakes are 14.2 inches in front with six-piston calipers and 13.6 inches in back with two-piston calipers.

Here’s the part where Lexus finally got it: Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM), which keeps you from killing yourself and your car, or makes it a little harder, can be turned off. You can finally do donuts all day long. A mode switch has normal, sport and snow settings. The sport mode increases effort and weight of the electric power steering, raises shift points in the transmission, quickens the throttle response rate and allows more lateral movement before VDIM steps in.

The goal was not to make a BMW M3, Yaguchi said, though many people will see it as such.

“The M3 is fun for a really good driver, but if you’re not a really good driver, it’s not fun,” he said. “This is a car everyone can enjoy; with this car, your skill level doesn’t matter.”


Thank goodness. They were about to turn us loose on Mazda Raceway at Laguna Seca. At first, we rode with instructors from the Skip Barber School. Reminded that you actually accelerate into turns three and six and brake a little in nine and a lot going into 11, we set out on our own.

It performed exactly as advertised. It was safe, fun and, even with VDIM off, still stable. Power was prodigious and delivered in a linear fashion. At Laguna Seca, we were able to use everything from third to sixth gear, with a few attempts to get down into second when we entered turn four too slowly.

Coming over the terrifying crest under the bridge at start/ finish, the car remained stable, despite the loss of some of the gravity it had on the rest of the course. Braking was stable, too, especially going into one, where you don’t want anything funny to happen. The hard-core will miss the ultimate truth of an all-out sport suspension. This one is softer than the previous M3’s, for instance. But it is a tradeoff we could live with.

Upshifts were indeed impressive, though we didn’t time them to the tenth of a second. Banging the paddle shifters up along the main straight, we felt like Helio Castro freaking Neves. And the way the throttle blipped on downshifts, we felt like Schuey himself, though his and everyone’s trannies nowadays do everything for them.


Body roll in corners was not a problem—in fact, it was almost unnoticeable—and the tires never seemed to let go. We saw others powersliding coming out of turn 11, but we never got the rear end out of line, even while trying to figure out how much braking to add on the downhill left-hander of turn nine.

Later that day, we took an IS F over Laureles Grade and up G16 for quite a distance, over turns that tightened up suddenly and on a road surface that could use a few fresh layers of asphalt to be brought up to FIA standards. Although we dodged the worst of the bumps and holes, we couldn’t miss them all, and the IS F did not shudder or jar us when we whacked them.

It is a car you can drive comfortably at Laguna Seca or to work. As Yaguchi said, your skill level doesn’t matter.

So, what is the market level for the IS F?

“This is definitely not aimed at anyone buying our cars now,” said then-Lexus vice president Jim Farley.

The average ES buyer is 61 years old. The IS buyer is in the low 40s. We figure the IS F will pull that average down a lot.

Lexus cleverly chose to reveal its IS F just before BMW revealed its M3. Or was that pure coincidence? In either case, everyone’s stories about the Lexus IS F will come out before everyone’s other stories about the M3. This will allow people to view the IS F separately as a sports sedan unto itself. In such context, it is an unbridled success. Against the M3, we’ll have to wait and see.

Anyone in the market for a thrilling sports sedan very soon will have more choices than a cute girl at MIT. In addition to the 416-hp IS F, you can peruse the coming M3 sedan’s 414-hp 4.0-liter, the Audi RS4’s 420-hp 4.2 and the mighty 457-hp 6.2-liter in the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG. All of them have four doors and V8s driving the rear wheels (and the front wheels, in the case of the RS4 quattro). Is this a great time to be alive (and with a $60,000-or-so budget) or what?

Actual prices, of course, will come out closer to the car’s launch, which is scheduled for early 2008. The biggest news may not be just this IS F but a whole bunch of future F’s.

“We are looking at this launch from a whole branding standpoint,” said Farley.

That could mean accessories for the IS 250 and 350. If we had to guess, well, we do know the IS platform is derived from the Lexus GS sedan . . .
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wish i could afford this
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i've heard the rumors of a GS-F in the works.

but yea...
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I laugh every time I see those horrendous stacked quad pipes...especially since they're non-functional. It looks like something a broke ghetto punk would fabricate, as does the rest of the kit.

And personally, I don't care about the power numbers because for me, no manual = no sale.
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the stack exhaust is growing on me... but yea it sucks that is nonfunctional.
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If you dont know how to drive, get the IS-F

I bet he will regret making that statement.

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Wow, i guess Americans arent the only ones making heavy ass cars.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
If you dont know how to drive, get the IS-F

I bet he will regret making that statement.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
If you dont know how to drive, get the IS-F

I bet he will regret making that statement.
erm...that's not what he said. There's a big difference between meaning "if you don't know how to drive" and "even if you don't know how to drive"
It is a car you can drive comfortably at Laguna Seca or to work. As Yaguchi said, your skill level doesn’t matter.
You can turn off the stability & traction controls to drive the car just like the M3 et al. What he said is that if you are a good driver, there are settings for you. If you are not a good driver, there are also settings for you. I know you know this.

BMW & other fanboys are going to hear what they want to, though...so I can see that statement being echoed in the halls of the BMW, Acura, MB, Audi, and other forums - all with the same bias and selective misunderstanding.
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Is it just me or do the pipes look alittle weird stacked up like that?
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Originally Posted by DAYTA
I laugh every time I see those horrendous stacked quad pipes...especially since they're non-functional. It looks like something a broke ghetto punk would fabricate, as does the rest of the kit.

And personally, I don't care about the power numbers because for me, no manual = no sale.
Dude I know your not ignorant, you've never driven an 8-speed matic before. At least go for a test drive then you have all rights to bash the car for its lack of manual tranny. But until then go easy on Lexus's first M3 type of performance sedan
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The tranny shifts pretty darn quickly.
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Originally Posted by revitupwriteitoff
erm...that's not what he said. There's a big difference between meaning "if you don't know how to drive" and "even if you don't know how to drive"


You can turn off the stability & traction controls to drive the car just like the M3 et al. What he said is that if you are a good driver, there are settings for you. If you are not a good driver, there are also settings for you. I know you know this.
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No shit, i was just having some fun with his statement.
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Funny and true pic.
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C63>M3>IS-F
'nuff said.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Funny and true pic.
Funny - yes
True - how? A really good driver can just turn off all of the assists on the IS-F and then it's the same as an M3....

So...

Shitty drivers = leave assists on and have fun
Good drivers = turn assists off and have fun

Sounds like a win/win for Lexus as everyone can enjoy this model!
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Wait...didn't CS recently say he still has trouble handling the "beast" that's his 3-coupe...?!????












CS: Get a Lexus IS-F.
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
Funny - yes
True - how? A really good driver can just turn off all of the assists on the IS-F and then it's the same as an M3....

So...

Shitty drivers = leave assists on and have fun
Good drivers = turn assists off and have fun

Sounds like a win/win for Lexus as everyone can enjoy this model!
A really good driver (read: enthusiast) will get a car like the M3 (or RS4)...which is more of a driver's car, hence the term. Anachronistic to some, it goes back to that man n' machine thing........

Jumping down one level, I have driven the 330i, 335i and IS350 and found the E90 to be MUCH more engaging as a driver's car than the get-in-and-go IS350. I do not expect less disparity with the F/M3 comparison. And I am DEFINITELY not a BMW fanboy.
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Originally Posted by FamusFace
Dude I know your not ignorant, you've never driven an 8-speed matic before. At least go for a test drive then you have all rights to bash the car for its lack of manual tranny. But until then go easy on Lexus's first M3 type of performance sedan
It's not a matter of being ignorant. It's a matter of principles. If I'm going to buy a sports car/sedan, I want to shift my own gears plain and simple. I don't care how fast it can shift, I like the challenge and cohesion I feel to the car from a standard manual transmission. It's my perrogative, and that means I would NEVER consider an IS-F (nor any other non-manual sports car).
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Originally Posted by DAYTA
It's my perrogative, and that means I would NEVER consider an IS-F (nor any other non-manual sports car).
The IS-F isn't a sports car....sport sedan yes.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
The IS-F isn't a sports car....sport sedan yes.

you know what I meant...any "sports-oriented" car.
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Originally Posted by DAYTA
It's not a matter of being ignorant. It's a matter of principles. If I'm going to buy a sports car/sedan, I want to shift my own gears plain and simple. I don't care how fast it can shift, I like the challenge and cohesion I feel to the car from a standard manual transmission. It's my perrogative, and that means I would NEVER consider an IS-F (nor any other non-manual sports car).

I completely agree with you. No manual = very tough sale for me....though the C63 AMG is growing on me w/ traffic getting worse and worse here in Seattle. Maybe I can somehow swing the C63 as a commuter and keep the CTS-V for track days!

I can't stand people in automatic cars who talk about "driving skills". What skill? Point the car, push the pedal and hang on. I should know, I was one of those people. Try engaging the clutch with your left foot, standing on the brake pedal while entering into a turn while catching the gas pedal with the bottom corner of that same right foot to blip up the rpms, turning into the corner with your left hand and downshifting with your right hand. All the while, still trying to keep your body properly positioned in the seat so you can reach all those things! Do it properly and you have tons of speed through the turn and you're sitting in the correct gear to get back on throttle for great exit speed. Do it wrong and you might just be in the safety wall. It's not for everyone, but I still think people who truly enjoy driving will always pick a true manual transmission.
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but I still think people who truly enjoy driving will always pick a true manual transmission.
Absolute complete BS........

I had a 95 M3, 99 Vette, 00 Mcoupe, 00 Viper GTS, 04 M3, 03 Evo, 04 STi....all manuals last time I checked.

I've had more than my share of auto cars as well. I currently drive an auto (GC SRT). Maybe my next car will be a manual or maybe it won't.

That's complete ignorance to think that because someone chooses to drive an auto is ANY less of an enthusiast....which is basically what you're saying.

So if someone buys an IS-F/C63, they don't "truly enjoy driving?"

Even the GT-R is not going to have a true manual.
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Originally Posted by DAYTA
you know what I meant...any "sports-oriented" car.
Yeah, I know what you meant....I just prefer when people are being correct.

To each their own, if you dont' want to drive a auto in your everyday car...don't.
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Autos are never desired as highly in the used market when it comes to fanboy-ish cars. It seems like they aren't as popular a choice in the new car market, but once a performance car ages and reaches cult status, the manual is always the one to have.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
Absolute complete BS........

I had a 95 M3, 99 Vette, 00 Mcoupe, 00 Viper GTS, 04 M3, 03 Evo, 04 STi....all manuals last time I checked.

I've had more than my share of auto cars as well. I currently drive an auto (GC SRT). Maybe my next car will be a manual or maybe it won't.

That's complete ignorance to think that because someone chooses to drive an auto is ANY less of an enthusiast....which is basically what you're saying.

So if someone buys an IS-F/C63, they don't "truly enjoy driving?"

Even the GT-R is not going to have a true manual.

Nah, I still stand by my statement. I never said you can't enjoy driving in an auto. I did, however, imply that it is more of an involving experience with a manual transmission. Those that want to be more involved will choose the manual. If you go to a track day and ask around you'll find that nearly everyone there agrees with me.

The fact that cars are going away from true manuals is not b/c they are equally fun to drive. I feel it is because the SMG, F1, DSG trannys of today shift faster than a human can possibly shift. Ultimately, that makes for faster 0-60 times, faster 1/4 mile times and faster lap times. That's what wins races. But...for the average driver (who typically has never and will never even do a track day) they will never fully appreciate the timed advantages of these high-tech, no clutch manuals.

I went to the ///M driving experience in SC last February and drove the M6/M5/Z4 M coupe. All were amazing cars. All of the people there were car enthusiasts. Almost all of us agreed that the Z4 M coupe was the most fun car there. Why? 6-speed manual. Those that didn't agree could barely get into 1st gear w/o stalling the car.

My question to you is, which of your cars did you feel the most connected to and did the manual tranny have anything to do with that? If not, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

BTW, I've been on this forum as long as you have and have always respected your comments. I can't believe you'd resort to calling me ignorant. Feeling were hurt here.

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BTW Beltfed, I've been on this forum nearly as long as you have and I've always liked your objective view on cars. Some people get hung up on brand names. You've always had an open mind. But to have you come out and call me ignorant really seems out of character for you. I wouldn't make these claims if I didn't have some experience behind the wheel of both autos and manuals. I've driven on road course events, auto-x and 1/4 mile drags. I always talk to everyone at these events. My comments are essentially an amalgamation of viewpoints from people who drive cars in racing situations. These people, to me, are the true enthusiasts. Ignorance is when you make statements based on something in which you have no experience. My comments are far from ignorant.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Cl-S
BTW Beltfed, I've been on this forum nearly as long as you have and I've always liked your objective view on cars. Some people get hung up on brand names. You've always had an open mind. But to have you come out and call me ignorant really seems out of character for you. I wouldn't make these claims if I didn't have some experience behind the wheel of both autos and manuals. I've driven on road course events, auto-x and 1/4 mile drags. I always talk to everyone at these events. My comments are essentially an amalgamation of viewpoints from people who drive cars in racing situations. These people, to me, are the true enthusiasts. Ignorance is when you make statements based on something in which you have no experience. My comments are far from ignorant.

Well you did just admit that people who dont track and have automatics arent true car enthusiasts. I disagree but my opinion wont change yours.

I get annoyed by track guys with big egos who think they are the best just because they get a few track days in a year.

And yes I have done a few track days and prefer manual. BUT driver skill is a lot more than just shifting and im sure you know that.
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Well you did just admit that people who dont track and have automatics arent true car enthusiasts. I disagree but my opinion wont change yours.

I get annoyed by track guys with big egos who think they are the best just because they get a few track days in a year.

And yes I have done a few track days and prefer manual. BUT driver skill is a lot more than just shifting and im sure you know that.

Maybe I'm not being clear. There are people who love cars - and also love to drive around in their cars that they feel enthusiastic about. They love to wake up early just to wash their cars b/f the sun comes out to avoid getting water drop stains in their finish. They put 10 coats of Zaino on their cars to ward off the elements. These enthusiasts could care less about what other people think and some prefer automatics and some prefer manuals. These people are enthusiasts but they're not the people I'm talking about. I'm referring to those who seek pure enjoyment from feeling every bump through the steering wheel and the vibration of the drivetrain through the shifter in their hands. Fine, you can get 90% of the experience w/o a manual tranny. But I can't believe you guys are actually trying to tell me that the experience is equal either way. And I've never implied that I'm a better driver than everyone else. But I will say that I'm more impressed by a driver that can row his/her own gears and still make it look easy through 100mph turns. I'm more impressed when a guy in a stock CLS 6-spd runs a low 14 sec 1/4 mile than I was at myself running a mid-13 sec 1/4 mile in my late automatic s/c'd CLS. IMHO, the guy with the manual earned it more cuz he actually had to do something more than press the 'go' pedal. Stop reading into my statements that I'm better than anyone else here. I'm simply implying that manuals are more fun and engaging to drive. Why do you think the new M3 keeps beating the faster C63 in the recent comparos? I can guarantee that part of the reason is b/c the editors find shifting for themselves more fun. Many people will buy the C63 b/c its a faster car 90% of the time. But there will be those (excluding the BMW tunnel visioned people) that still buy the M3 simply b/c the C63 is not offered with a manual. Why? Because it adds to the whole experience. I've already stated that I'm considering the C63 as my next vehicle - even though it is an automatic. A very good one at that. Do I still consider myself an enthusiast? Of course I do. But I have slightly different priorities right now in my life. Traffic is killing the fun of shifting. Anyway, I think in my ranting I've lost focus here. Have a good night.
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I would tend to think that true car enthusiasts would aim towards a manual tranny when it comes to any of the forementioned vehicles, as it enhances the man-n-machine connection. IMHO, Seattle Cl-s' description of the pure enthusiast is pretty dead on:

I'm referring to those who seek pure enjoyment from feeling every bump through the steering wheel and the vibration of the drivetrain through the shifter in their hands. Fine, you can get 90% of the experience w/o a manual tranny. But I can't believe you guys are actually trying to tell me that the experience is equal either way.
To wit, I would much rather autox my son's 98 Civic EX 5MT my 07 AV6 5AT despite its vs said AV6 (a 117hp/104lb-ft deficit, prior to its recent turbo installation).

Sidenote: As far as performance, AT equipped high torque cars like the C6, GTO and even Altima V6 do not lose much performance (if at all) versus manual versions of the same. (A boatload of MKIV Supra owners have ATs.)

As the line between an AT and MT becomes more obscured (i.e.: SMG), the definition of enthusiast as characterized above will become more old school in favor of paddle shifting semi-automatics in due time. And this works well for MB and Lexus as they can provide a product similar to the M3 and RS4 without alienating its typical client base.
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The exterior of the IS-F has been slightly modified to separate it from lesser IS models, but the design seems to be a bit out of proportion on the front of the car — the front overhang seems long and appears to droop over the front wheels.
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Apart from some unique surface materials, the interior of the IS-F isn't much different from the normal IS range.
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Overall, Lexus has created a nice performance package in the IS-F, but the car will likely fall short in the minds of hard core enthusiasts.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/first-drive-lexus-is-f.html
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Originally Posted by Seattle Cl-S
BTW Beltfed, I've been on this forum nearly as long as you have and I've always liked your objective view on cars. Some people get hung up on brand names. You've always had an open mind. But to have you come out and call me ignorant really seems out of character for you. I wouldn't make these claims if I didn't have some experience behind the wheel of both autos and manuals. I've driven on road course events, auto-x and 1/4 mile drags. I always talk to everyone at these events. My comments are essentially an amalgamation of viewpoints from people who drive cars in racing situations. These people, to me, are the true enthusiasts. Ignorance is when you make statements based on something in which you have no experience. My comments are far from ignorant.
True enthusiasts don't have to track their cars, if someone enjoy the act of driving....they're a true enthusiast. If someone likes to go out om drives and has no particular destination in mind, they're an enthusiast.

To me, a true enthusiast is not judged by the tranny of their vehicle......but by an open mind of acceptance of different vehicles (makes & models). Do you not think Jay Leno is a true enthusiast?

I didn't meant to offend you and I understand where you're coming from. But part of your reasoning I don't agree with and found fault, to the point in which I called you ignorant. But seriously, no hard feelings on that one.

Honestly, the auto cars I had really were not up to the driving standard of the manual cars I had....97 Legacy 2.5 GT, 01 CL-S, several SUVs.

But you're moving away from the argument, I didn't say that auto cars were as engaging as manuals. I was just responding to the point that you said that those who "truly enjoy driving will always pick manual transmissions."

You said it yourself, you're tired of traffic and are considering moving to an automatic. I still would never say that "Oh, well now he must not really like driving anymore."
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I think we were hung up on the difference btwn being a "car" enthusiast and a "driving" enthusiast. Someone who loves going out to eat at fine restaurants and really, really enjoys food would be called a food enthusiast. But the chefs that make the food and live and breath it should be labeled the "true" food enthusiasts.

I call peace...nothing in our conversations actually helps make the world a better place. Nice chattin' witcha.
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