word. my coworker just lowered his new white S4, and added 20" stasis wheels and stasis exhaust. i saw it yesterday afternoon and almost (*#$ myself.

here are the wheels: http://www.cardotcom.com/photos/modi...4-stasis-h.jpg

^^ he also has a matching recaro babyseat in the rear. haha

I think I would agree.

Like the 335i, the S4 puts out more than the 333Hp they claim...
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/28/r...is-underrated/


Also in terms of uniqueness, the S5 is played out in Boston and it needs a refresh. S4 seems a lot rarer, right now...

We have had a total of 9 VW/ Audi products in our family. 94 cabrio, 97 jetta, 2000 jetta, 1999 a6, 2001 s4, 2002 s4, 2003 beetle 1.8t, 2005 s4, 2009 a6. I think that is a decent sample size. The 94 cabrio was just as unreliable as the 09 a6 3.0t. I understand that every brand has their own issues and that Honda is not perfect. However, I have had zero issues with my 5 year old TL where are all the other cars were in the shop monthly. Just stating the facts. Audi's are expensive lemons to maintain.

So you only want to hear opinions that you agree with? lol Ignorance is bliss. I hope your friend's experience with Audi is different than mine has been. Now go make me some lemonade!

I keep telling him to go with the s4 but he just won't listen. Fuck I wish I had his kind of money

it's not even about hearing options that I wanna hear, it's explaining the reason behind your response.
You didn't say what Audi you have owned, what problems you had with it, what was the end result. And if you say you owned a 1.8T B5 or B6 and that's the reason behind you hating Audi, then don't even bother saying anything. I am aware of all their problems and maintenance and such. No need to hear about that shit. Also this same guy that's looking to buy the car has owned 3 VW, 2 of which have been early 2000s turbos, and he maintained his gf's 2005 A4 and he is still going back to the Audi.

This thread was strictly about opinions on the 2012 S5 or 2012 335 and any other sugestions people may have. So unless you have owned a 2012 or 2011 S5, which I doubt you did, just don't even bother saying anything about Audi reliability.

@ decent sample size

9 vw/audi and 1 acura

enjoy your lemonade and go take some classes

OP, show this to your friend..

It's basically 400hp/tq

I didn't even see this.

but still that sucks that it happened to you but this guy has a pretty good experience with Audi's and your response of Audi=Lemon is just stupid.

haha I just did.

I only listed the vw/audi's that were in my immediate family. I have had close friends that have also shared similar experiences with their vw/audi's so I noticed a trend. Maybe Audi finally got it together for 2012, but I am obviously skeptical after my experiences with them. When I originally posted, I didn't realize that reliability was not a concern to the OP. In that case, get the Audi because it looks cute

For the record, my 08 Avant has had zero reliability issues in the 3 years of ownership. My 03 CL-S, within the first year faulty brakes, within 2 a faulty IMRC, within 3 a leaking power steering rack. I won't bother bringing up the issues that came later.

Hope you're enjoying your lemonade. :gulp: And FTW, your gen TL didn't have the faulty transmission. I bet that you'd be singing a different tune about owning a TL if you had a 2nd gen.

this is the problem with guys like him, the guys that cry the loudest are the people that are heard the most and then they assume that there is a major issue all across the board. Its well known there were obstacles Audi had to get by in the 90's and early 2000's, but the guys with an open mind can move on and look at it objectively.

Then you have tools like this guy that have had a mix of older cars and newer ones, and were unlucky enough to have all of them be bad. I know of a lot of people that have had the complete opposite experience. We have enough of those guys on this very board. I researched purchasing an Audi for over 2 1/2 years and realized that many of the problems weren't major reliability issues within the B7 platform and that Audi had taken strides at fixing the issue. But guys like him don't care. No matter their past experience they typecast a brand into a category and can't appreciate a brand for what they are capable of and that is the key. This is why so many people dog on Hyundai and is exactly why Acura is lackluster compared to them. They never imagined that a brand with a tarnished or lackluster past performance will ever improve.

Ironic that 3gstealth stated that ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

Thank you for your input, really. But for a car that's not good, everyone you know it seems owns one. You named 9 of them in your family. I would think that once one or 2 people would have problems that the rest would learn and not get the same car. And he will have waranty for 4 years with maintenance included, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

FYI, they improved many years prior to 2011, you've been too busy typecasting them to realize it. Their prominent changes began around the 2005 mark with the iimprovements in the B7 platform, while also improving upon the C6 platform. And all the while doing that, put out entirely new models like the A3, A5, Q5, Q7 that have sold quite well.

Well, is this a daily driver...? Cuz, given where your friend lives...the winters are pretty much 364 days a year.

And let's not forget the stupid amount of snow and bad roads...If it is a daily driver, I'd consider an AWD vehicle just to help out. A C63 AMG sedan would otherwise be my vote (yes, I know it is not on his radar with the Audi and BMW)...but, that car is waiting to be wrapped around a phone booth with all that power esp. in the winter.

I understand that Acura has had its share of tranny problems and I am lucky that I have not experienced any in my 06 thus far. However, I can tell you that when my 6MT transmission went bad in my 2002 S4 at 73K, Audi wanted to charge me $6,600 to take apart my transmission and replace my 3rd and 4th gear syncros. This was a joke since I purchased the car Audi Certified until 100k. They said it was not covered under warranty so I had to show them a copy of the warranty where it specifically states it is covered and they Still did not want to cover it! They finally ended up covering it after about a month haggling with them and then I got the car back with a slipping clutch, which was NOT slipping when I took the car into them. This is just one of my many horror stories that I dealt with being an Audi owner.

I know a bunch of people with Audis and no one seems to have too many problems. Just regular car stuff that can happen on any car. You take care of it, and it will take care of you.

And as much as I love the S5...I think the Audi dealership in town is run by pricks. But, that's just my ...

And A5s/S5s along with 3-series are...everywhere.

That is a dealer issue, not a brand issue. Dealers of all brands try not to do warranty work even though they can get paid for it, this is because if they do the work for you and later find that they wont' get reimbursed by the manufacturer they are screwed. so they take the cautious approach and don't do anything.

These days they've gotten smarter and verify if the manufacturer will cover it prior to performing the work. But that doesn't mean that you as a consumer can't also write/call the manufacturer and also log a complaint.


And regarding your transmission going bad at 74K, are you attributing that to poor reliability? WTH, you drove it for 74K miles, sure they aren't bulletproof, but it's not like it broke after 20K miles like they did on Acura's and Hondas where it was a reliability issue. And FTW, your generation doesn't have the rampant transmission problem so you probably wont' see a reliability problem with it in your car.

When the brakes went bad in my friends CL-S, the dealership he went to didn't want to honor the TSB that Acura had put out! so I told him to go to my dealership and they honored it on the spot. And when his transmission went bad, twice, he had it replaced both times no questions asked at the dealership I always went to. Of course he traded it in for an Audi shortly thereafter.

I see a lot of them cruising around my neck of the woods.

Are you in Edmonton?

I see alot of 3 series, like every 2nd household has one. I see a lot od A4 but not too many A5/S5. i think I have seen maybe 10 all together. And especially not white with red interior

Well, I don't want to post too lengthy of a reply, otherwise, Crazy Acura will call me out... but just to add to the convo above... our B7 2.0T and our C6 A6 were both great. My Acura did have a tranny issue (and was about to shit out #2) as well as some other minor issues... but the Audi's were just as good or better then any Acura product I've owned. We now have an E350 in the garage and except for new tires and regular maintanence, it hasn't needed a thing...

There, I hope I didn't say too much b/c he's in this thread...

So I'm a tool for not agreeing with you? I'm just stating my past experience with the brand at an attempt to have an intelligent conversation, but it seems like that will probably never happen. God forbid should anyone have any real world expereince with this brand instead of just speculation. No need to try and insult me. You sound very immature so I done wasting my time trying to help you out. My father's 09 a6 3.0t has been to the shop 11 times for stuff other than routine maintenance.

I dont recall calling you out over Audi stuff. Did i?

My highly modified A4 with an upgraded turbo even was reliable. Well a few coilpacks failed but nothing a $20 part and 5min of my time couldnt fix. BTW its current owner is still trucking along with over 100k miles on it with the same setup. Hell yea!

No you're a tool for typecasting the brand and assuming that because of your past experience with older models that the OP shouldn't purchase a future 2012 model without looking at it objectively by analyzing where the brand is today and for a model that you never even owned for that matter!

You were the one that called them a lemon, if you said that and it was 2000, a lot of people would have agreed with you, there is a reason why your statement, opinion or not, was flawed and that is why you're a tool for calling the brand a lemon when that IS far from the truth.

But since you're not going to post in here any longer that doesn't matter. Go on and continue to enjoy your lemonade.

^^^

Thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/audi-a6-vs-bmw-5-series-e-class-bringing-up-rear-818069/

Post: https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...88&postcount=4

so 8 other family members have had problems with Audi and their service and all, and then your father goes out and buys another Audi. That doesn't sound right to me at all.

I have never had a lemon big enough to make lemonade since I traded in my S4.

BMW owners are pricks. Buy an Audi.

I know, it doesn't sound right. I tried to talk him out of it but he was hoping things had improved at Audi as well. He wanted a sedan that was all wheel drive luxury since he is in Chicago. He regrets his purchase and has even admitted to me that he wishes he would have listened to me and gotten something else. Its the little things at first, that just add up... Like the LED's in both headlights starting to fail when the car was 6 months old. Yes, it was covered under warranty but its a PITA to always have to make an extra trip to the dealer to get these things addressed.

That's worthy of being mentioned in someones signature line.

And if the person is or ...even more chances it is a 3-Series.



But, did you get my question about if your friend is driving this as a daily vehicle?

Well to and from work he's gonna be driving his company truck, then this will be an after work toy I guess. And not sure if he'll drive it in the winter either, maybe if it's not 5 feet of snow outside.

Ah. Well, I fully suggest he try consider the Mercedes C63 AMG.

It is different from the dime-a-dozen 3-Series and A5/S5s on the road everywhere, and it has the power that should keep him giggling for quite some time.

But, his money...honestly, whatever makes him happy. For 80K, I'd also consider the 535i.

And a large diver's watch ...