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Old 06-28-2018, 10:42 AM
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Anybody know anything about Chevy Volts or Fiesta ST?

I'll be losing my daily driver soon (2003 CL Type S 6MT). I am looking to replace it with either a Chevy Volt or Ford Fiesta ST. I am also open to any other suggestions.

Things I am looking for:
  • 35+ mpg. Real world for the Fiesta ST is actually 31-32 mpg but it will be hard to meet 35+ without hybrid.
  • $12,000 or under.
  • 4 door preferable.
My wife has a short enough commute that the Volt could theoretically do it all electric with nightly charges. But I sometimes have to drive 150-200 miles per day. The Volt has this advantage over pure EV cars and I like that about it. It is my strong preference, but what holds me back is how I don't feel like I could repair it if necessary. I also don't really know how reliable they are.

The Fiesta ST on the other hand is just a conventional car so I am much more comfortable buying that used.

Anything I should know about either car or any other suggestions? I have not test driven either yet.

Also, I should add I used to own a 2G Toyota Prius at one point. It was a fantastic little car. I could also look into getting another Prius.
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1G or 2G Volt? IMO, the 1G is but I've seen some impressive MPG claims from actual users.
From an enthusiast perspective, I'd say FiST, from a more fun to drive POV. Could probably get newer & lower miles than a comparable Volt at a similar price. But, a used FiST is more likely to have been driven hard than a Volt
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1G or 2G Volt? IMO, the 1G is but I've seen some impressive MPG claims from actual users.
From an enthusiast perspective, I'd say FiST, from a more fun to drive POV. Could probably get newer & lower miles than a comparable Volt at a similar price. But, a used FiST is more likely to have been driven hard than a Volt
1G volt. I'm all about the market bargains. It's an ugly car, but they're becoming cheap. I see them for around 10-11k.

The FIST I think is tanking because they are MT only. That's no problem for me, but does limit its appeal on the market. I could get something non-performance like a Honda Fit, but if I am making the trade off for gasoline, I might as well put a little zip into my commute.
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A quick search shows a few FiST in Houston. Upping you budget a hair can net you a new FiST. $18.7k at Autonation Gulf Fwy, CPO at $16.7k at Russel/Smith.
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Do you care about using the back seat for adults? If yes then Volt is your only option. The back seats in the Fiesta are really only good for children and dogs if you're going any further than down the street.
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Do you care about using the back seat for adults? If yes then Volt is your only option. The back seats in the Fiesta are really only good for children and dogs if you're going any further than down the street.
In a pinch, we may use the back seat to carry people. I think a good 75% of the time it will have 1 person, and then 2 people 20%.

Otherwise I have a Nissan Xterra and Infiniti FX50S to carry people.

But good to know it is tiny back there.
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Have zero idea about the Volt.

FiST is a super fun car to drive. The backseat is for midgets only.
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In a pinch, we may use the back seat to carry people. I think a good 75% of the time it will have 1 person, and then 2 people 20%.

Otherwise I have a Nissan Xterra and Infiniti FX50S to carry people.

But good to know it is tiny back there.
It's tiny back there but the car itself is a blast to drive. If you can swing a Focus ST though, I'd go that route since it's both bigger and faster.

If you want something just to commute though, the Volt is fantastic. It's comfy and efficient.
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Old 06-28-2018, 01:55 PM
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we're shopping for a commuter for my wife too and I have the same thoughts on the hybrids and EVs. I don't care for the styling of them and the reliability I have no idea about. Plus I couldn't fix them. I looked at a Prius, but they seem to hold their value quite well and are above our budget (10k). So I've been looking more at Honda Fits.

I just looked at Volts and the cheapest one near me is 14k. I can get a nice Fit for 9k.
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Cheap, practical, good MPG and 4 doors?

Your last sentence/suggestion is what popped to my mind immediately.

I drove a rental Prius last month....and I was quite shocked at how spacious and practical it was. Got basically 55mpg consistently with great cargo room and good visibility. Obviously it has 0 driving joy/character, but that is not its intended purpose.

Probably a sacrilege to say this on a car enthusiast forum....but a Prius can be a very good choice IMHO.
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A 1G Chevy Volt can be had for 9.5 - 10 around my area for higher mileage ones, and 12k for a cherry one. To me, this is a steal for a car that was priced more mid-market just a few years ago.

Priuses hold onto their value very well. They are reliable however, with taxicab examples going a million miles with no major issues. But they're not as compelling a bargain as the Volt.

The Focus ST is nicer than the FIST in every metric, but I'm not too focused about performance. I want to maximize my fuel economy. But I am looking at a Fiesta ST over a run of the mill Fiesta to add a little bit of fun in there.
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Fiat 500 Abarth. Only box it doesn't tick is 4 doors.
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Another option would be a Mazda3 GT. With the 2.5 & 6MT.
Should net good mileage, burns 87, drives really well.
Can drop the the 2.0 & 6MT for likely better MPG, with a bit less power.
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No go on the Fiat 500 Abarth. Wife says it looks stupid. Also seeing that reliability is questionable. They are cheap though.

Looking into the Mazda. Don't know anything about them.

Also, looking into Ford C-Max. Those have dropped off a cliff in price.
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@ your wife

You should definitely take an Abarth for a spin if and when you get a chance.

Got mine a few months ago... tuned with several upgrades, f.u.n. a.s. h.e.l.l.!

"IF" you were to get one, definitely recommend the GoPedal remote. It changes drive modes (& or tune*) on the fly. In eco w/ -3 throttle curve, the car will average 38 to 42 mpg.... Sport+ w/ +3 curve is 10mpg for sure lmfao

Good luck with your search.

(*) Currently tuned w/ Magnetti Marelli ecu; good for 215hp/233tq


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I'd say the FiST & Mazda3 are the best looking of the 4 door options in here, along with being more of a driver's car.
1G Volt & CMax are the more but may be the better MPG options.

Abarth 500, the few I've seen have a exhaust note. But for me, I need 4 doors & a 500X is a no go.
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You should definitely take an Abarth for a spin if and when you get a chance.

Got mine a few months ago... tuned with several upgrades, f.u.n. a.s. h.e.l.l.!

"IF" you were to get one, definitely recommend the GoPedal remote. It changes drive modes (& or tune*) on the fly. In eco w/ -3 throttle curve, the car will average 38 to 42 mpg.... Sport+ w/ +3 curve is 10mpg for sure lmfao

Good luck with your search.
I wanted to at least consider the car after watching some video reviews of it. It doesn't seem to get as good mileage as I would have expected for such a small car, but she dismissed it outright as soon as she saw it. I think she's been negatively influenced by this pastel yellow one that some young girl drives at her work. But that one is just a regular 500.
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If you're going to consider a 500, I strongly recommend an extended test drive. My buddy bought an Abarth, and while the exhaust is awesome, the unique driving position makes me uncomfortable quickly.

For fuel economy on a budget, "fixed" TDIs might be worth a look. They've gone down in price. I don't know much about what fuel economy and reliability are like post repair though.
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I have several friends who have had the 1st gen Volt and they all loved it. One moved to a 2nd gen and then the Bolt.

I have a two friends who have the FiST and they both love theirs as well.

Tough call. I’d have to sit in a FiST again but I don’t remember loving the driver position.
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I have a Volt for work on occasion. It's not bad. More room then the FiST. If it was me, I would go Volt.
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A colleague (computer engineer) interned at GM during college and tested Volt S/W. Said GM really over-engineered the Volt from all aspects,
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You have plenty of fun cars, just buy the Volt.
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Well, not quite a year... But the CL was sold last week ( but going to a good home). So I am restarting the search for a small economical commuter. This car will also eventually get the duty of being handed to a teen driver in about a year or two. The FIST is still in the running, but I'm also looking at Honda CR-Z. I saw the Mazda3 mentioned in this thread so that looks to be in the running too.

My requirements are that it must be a manual transmission and under $12,000.
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Well, not quite a year... But the CL was sold last week ( but going to a good home). So I am restarting the search for a small economical commuter. This car will also eventually get the duty of being handed to a teen driver in about a year or two. The FIST is still in the running, but I'm also looking at Honda CR-Z. I saw the Mazda3 mentioned in this thread so that looks to be in the running too.

My requirements are that it must be a manual transmission and under $12,000.
I hear good things about the FiST. Basically like a reliable Fiat 500 Abarth. Lot of fun to drive.
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If it were big enough for the kids, I'd have considered the FiST. IIRC, all Fiestas, except the ST, were banned from SCCA Autocross for rollover risk.

I think the Mazda3 would be the most comfortable/practical DD of the 3.

Neighbor had a CRZ & had no complaints about it. IIRC Ken1997TL had one as well.
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Used last gen Mazda 3 cars with a 6MT are going to be out of your budget unless you accept higher mileage.

But it’s worth a look.
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I vote CR-Z

I had two of them. The blind spots are the only real knock against them. The 2016 year being ideal with the Lanewatch Camera.
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I'd go with the CRZ, particularly a 2013+, as they switched to lithium batteries (and got a torque increase).
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I'd go with the CRZ, particularly a 2013+, as they switched to lithium batteries (and got a torque increase).
Yep and the Sport Plus button (push to pass) was a nice extra too.
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