TL_6SPD

For 28k you still get a loaded G35. The only options that it doesn't have is sunroof, bose, titanium dash. It still comes with leather, hid, heated seats, etc.

TL_6SPD

I like my tail...its the newer model without the doggy door...

HANI2K5

I don't know why so many people bash the infiniti's exterior, I think it looks great, the spoiler looks nice too

apwalsh

True, I think of the coupe when I think G35. The sedan might as well not exist. The coupe is so hot, and then there's the sedan.

apwalsh

The 28K model does not come with heated seats, leather or HIDs. I was almost impressed. It is however, an excellent choice for 28K.

From their website:

Standard Features

Performance

260-hp 3.5-liter (3,498cc) DOHC V6 engine
Electronically controlled 5-speed automatic transmission with manual shift mode
Brake Assist
Electronic Brake force Distribution (EBD)
Traction Control System (TCS)
Infiniti Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Anti-lock Braking System (4-wheel, 4-channel ABS)

Exterior

Comprehensive airflow management with zero-lift front aerodynamics
Front-fender sightlines
Aluminum hood
High-mount halogen headlights for improved illumination
Integrated front fog lights
UV-reducing tinted glass
Dual heated, power outside mirrors
Speed-sensing wipers
Aluminum door-sill plates
Rear doors open a full 80 degrees for easier rear-seat entry and exit
LED taillights and center high-mounted stoplight (CHMSL)
Rear window defroster with timer
Dual chrome exhaust finishers
17-inch, 6-spoke aluminum-alloy wheels with all-season 215/55R17 V-rated tires

Interior

Automatic Temperature Control system with microfiltration
Rear-seat heater ducts under front seats
Power windows with illuminated switches, front-window one-touch auto up/down and safety reverse feature
Power door locks
Power trunk release
Retained accessory power for windows and sunroof (if equipped)
Illuminated entry system with delayed fade-out
Front sun visor extensions
Overhead sunglasses storage
Dual overhead front map lights, rear-seat reading lights
Front seatback map pockets. Front-passenger storage slot in center console
Dual front and rear cup holders
Front armrest with storage compartment and 12-volt power outlet (automatic transmission only)
Fold-down rear-center armrest with locking trunk pass-through
Front and rear carpeted floor mats
Cargo net and tie-down anchors in trunk

Instrumentation and Driver Controls

Fine Vision electronic analog instrumentation
Tilt Meter tilts steering column and gauge cluster together for improved visibility
Dual digital trip odometers
Multi-information display for climate control, outside temperature and digital compass
Cruise control with steering-wheel-mounted switches
Infiniti analog clock
Tire pressure monitor

Seating and Trim

Cloth seats
6-way manual driver's seat with adjustable lumbar support, 4-way manual passenger's seat
Unique seat optimized for driver
Titanium-tinted interior trim
Leather-wrapped 3-spoke steering wheel
Leather-wrapped shift knob with titanium-tinted trim

Audio

120-watt, six-speaker audio system with AM/FM/cassette and in-dash, single-slot 6-disc CD autochanger
Dual in-glass diversity antennas

Security

Remote keyless entry system with selective unlocking of driver's door or all doors
Remote power-opening of windows; closing via exterior door lock
Infiniti Vehicle Immobilizer System
Vehicle Security System
Battery saver

Occupant Safety

Dual-stage front supplemental air bags with seat belt sensors*
Front seat supplemental side-impact air bags*
Supplemental curtain side-impact air bags for front and outboard rear occupants*
Front seat active head restraints; rear outboard head restraints
3-point height-adjustable front seat belts with pretensioners and load limiters, driver's seat Emergency Locking Retractor (ELR) and passenger's seat ELR and Automatic Locking Retractor (ALR)
3-point rear seat belts with ELR and Automatic Locking Retractor (ALR)
Slide-away brake pedal assembly moves brake pedal in certain frontal collisions
Break-away engine mounts and driveshaft help maintain the integrity of the passenger compartment in certain collisions
LATCH System (Lower Anchors and Tethers for CHildren)
Snug Kids offers recommendations for choosing and installing child restraint seats.
Emergency inside trunk release
First-aid kit in rear center armrest
* Please keep in mind that air bags are a supplemental restraint system and must always be used in conjunction with the seat belt. Also, a rear-facing child restraint must never be placed in the front-passenger's seat. In fact, all children 12 and under should ride in the rear seat properly secured in child restraints, booster seats or seat belts, according to their size. Driver and front-passenger side-impact supplemental air bags and roof-mounted curtain side-impact supplemental air bags are designed to inflate in higher severity side collisions and inflate only on the side of the vehicle impacted. Please see your owner's manual for more details.

apwalsh

Stupid.. that's a dumb reason to buy the shittiest model of a nice car. (badging) If you are looking for that status, they how are you going to get it if you buy the shittiest model with cloth?

rock

I wonder if that is just for the sedan? I know the cloth comes standard in the base model G35 Coupes. They had several base Coupes at my dealer with the cloth interior. The 6 speed only comes with leather.

HANI2K5

I agree, if you shop for a car and buy it solely for status and badging, buy a Beemer or MB, the entry level luxo sedans out now are so close in price and performance, it'd be dumb to buy one without knowing what comes with it and what the options are, like brembo brakes. you're not gonna get more glances riding around in a G35 then you are in a Tl, and vice versa.

VQ35DE

The I30 was NEVER considered 3 series competition. Rather is was established as the counterpart to the Lexus ES300 and Acura 2.5TL. If anything, the IS failed MISERABLY. With all the hype about the 'Altezza' coming stateside, this is what we got?? :sqnteek: It thoroughly explains why all I see are young girls driving them.

And in fairness to the TL, the Lexus that comes close to it as an all around Japanese sports sedan is the GS4XX. Question is: Is the GS430 worth $13G more than an A-Spec TL? I dont think so. For the record TL probably would have been in 1st place if it were RWD or AWD.

Peace.

TL_6SPD

When you get leather, the HID and Heated seats are standard.

My misunderstanding. But 95% of the G35s are with leather anyways.

EZZ

I always thought that "if it were RWD" arguments were pretty funny If you think about it, the G35 interior would probably be like the upcoming M45 if it were based on the CHEAPER FWD platform. If Acura went RWD, the interior would probably be less impressive due to cost prohibitions. The real question is, do you want a car where the majority of the $ went into interior development or chassis development. It depends on the user.

acura_driver

If the TL were RWD the reviews would be better and it would do better in the comparisons, but Acura would likely sell fewer TL's. I doubt Acura is going to make that change.

AWD is not necessarily the solution either. AWD is safer than RWD or FWD, but is it not as much "fun" as RWD.

-r

jjsC5

"you know these magazines are biased towards RWD."

What does that mean? How is a magazined "biased" towards something like RWD? Is there a RWD lobbying group that sends them contributions?

They are "biased" because as cars are gaining more horsepower, it is harder to put it through a FWD platform. Yes, the magazines do favor performance. They admit that and make no apologies.

I had a G35 and now have a TL. Overall, I do like the TL better. But I'll also say that I pushed my car into a turn very hard just today and really wished it was RWD as the front end understeered BADLY into the corner. The same corner at the same speed would have been much better in the G35.

missmyprelude

I would have to disagree. Don't you think that engineering a great handling FWD car is harder (and arguably more expensive) than engineering a great handling RWD car? The $ hit would be in throwing away what they've already done and starting over. Nissan had to do that anyway since their model lineup wasn't very good, and their sales stunk. They started with a clean slate, and chose RWD for their chassis since it is "in" right now, and people are buying luxury performance autos. Honda/Acura is not going to just throw away their current models to appease RWD "enthusiasts" and car magazines. Only when sales start dwindling do I expect this to happen. Based on the current numbers, I don't see this happening for a while.

hokietl

This user would not spent ~30K on a car and having to look at that
ugly dash everyday( remind me too much of the Ford Probe)...reminiscing the old
days when domestic car has lousy and ugly dash/interior.

FX35 , why would someone spent that much on a vehicle looking like an SUV and choose the RWD option over AWD

DaCeptak0n

its funny how you guys entertain this thread when you're all so repetitive with the same things said in the other G35 vs TL threads..

hokietl

Honda/Acura core auto business is to make efficient FWD car....remember the CIVIC CVCC and Accord back in the 80s.

EZZ

I don't know the actual development costs of either the TL or G35...I was only speculating. However, on average, a RWD chassis is more expensive to develop than a FWD chassis. It takes a lot of $$$ to design a 50:50 balanced chassis that can accomodate a 3.5L V6. I'd be willing to bet that the FM platform was easily more expensive to develop than the Accord platform. On the specifics of the TL development $$$ over the G35...I don't know as that knowledge has probably never been public. We can only guestimate at the costs.

TL_6SPD

Hmm our dash isn't ugly. It's simple, easy to use, in a T design which is very nice. Just because it doesn't have all the gauges you guys have you call it ugly. It is no where near ugly.

DARK6mt

iTrader: (1)

SORRY, NOT FEELING IT.

lindros2

I have both -- the G35 is clearly a better driver's car. Better weighted steering, better weight distribution (close, if not exactly 50/50 versus 60/40 for the TL), better manumatic, and MUCH better build quality (everything actually fits instead of looking like it's falling off).

The TL has more features, a larger interior (the G35 does the BMW 3-series trick of a long, angled rear seat back to appear bigger), and is currently more unique (fewer on the road). I can also proudly say that Hertz doesn't rent the TL.

The irony of it all is that the 215/55R17 tires on the G35 are... Bridgestone Turanza EL42's...

doh.

TL_6SPD

Hmmm well I know the Sedans come with Goodyear GSD and Bridgestone RE90s (I believe).

I have the goodyears and so far they have been great, just wearing out pretty fast.

EZZ

I have the Pilot Sports and they rock! A little noisy but I've literally done 50+ in 25mph turns and they stick like glue (although the rear end is really hard to break with 18s).

nypb

I took delivery of my G35x one week ago yesterday. I was pleased to discover that the car was equipped with 5 Goodyear Eagle RS-A's. I was worried about the Bridgestones with all that I've read on the web. Also, the TL that I test drove during my search had a nasty front end shimmy (i'm sure they don't all do that though). Anyone have any experience with the RS-A's?

I'm happy with the car so far and have no regrets. Just like all of the TL owners.

NightRider

Daceptakon: Yes, everyone does have continous repetitiveness, but obviously the thread starters do not read all the other nearly identical threads. At the same time, they are both very equal cars and could be debated forever probably.

Lindros: Yes EL42's suck anytime, more so on FWD than RWD though. Aren't the EL's on the G35 only in CAN?

HokieTL: The G35 dash doesn't look good at all compared to ours, but it looks alot better than some other jap dashes! It all breaks down to the interior layout of Honda vs Nissan, I prefer Honda myself. I especially like the TL interior more than G35 though becuase of the cacoon/cockpit style where the dash wraps around right into the doors and back...very nice and luxurious to me.

hokietl

"ugly" is probably too strongly worded...more of plain and uninspired. I have no objection
with the exterior. The instrument cluster remind me too much of the Ford Probe which
I'm not too thrill about...

jdone

I think your car looks pretty good. Is that color silver or platinum?

apwalsh

No, people are calling it ugly because they think it's ugly.

TL_6SPD

Desert Platinum.

Radec

Some are coming to this site (myself included) for info on exacly what this thread has to offer. Yes, there might be similar threads, and if so, point them out. I see no reason for these types of comments:
This is a PUBLIC forum. If you don't like PUBLIC forums, start a private one and flame those who you invite to your special group.


Beholder(Andy): I plan to test drive both this weekend. Honestly, I am 50/50 on which I like. I owned a 99 TL and loved it. I guess I will find out which one I like more after Sat.

SitAndMeditate

The problem with these threads isn't that they're repetitive. The problem is that the car comparison threads always degenerate into personal arguments. It becomes really difficult to filter out the long winded essays and find the really useful information.

This is a public forum, and it's everyone's responsibility to keep it tidy. Kinda like discouraging graffiti.

Aegir

You're new here, so take a second to read the top of the page - next to the black car: "Acura-TL.com Acura Sport Community". Yes, it is a public forum - a public Acura forum. Any wonder people in this community get sick of comparisons with cars from other manufacturers? At the time this gem of a thread got kicked off, there were at least one or two other active 'VS' threads. Even the ones that start well NEVER end well. Most of us just hope they run out of steam and stop being bumped. You've definitely earned some grief for bumping this one after a month for your first post...

avs007

Actually, my aunt has a cloth ES300, and my friend has a cloth 325. The Lexus dealer said that Lexus doesn't import any cloth interiors, but they do make them. But I always thought the sole Lexus dealer in my city was an arse. Out of all the dealerships, the Lexus dealer was the rudest, followed by Acura across the street. However, the Acura dealer 2 hours south of me, was very nice. (Bought my TL from them).

I've never seen any Acuras in a rental lot, but I have seen a number of Lexii in the rental lots.

FWIW, I think for 05' the cloth seats in the G were dropped. They also added an MP3 player which is cool. Too bad it doesn't have the Bluetooth like the new M45.

boltjames

Moderators please note:

I am not getting sucked into another G35 vs. TL hijacking. That said, the G35 Coupe is as gorgeous a car as the G35 Sedan is an unattractive car to the point where I cannot believe that the same designers designed it.

BJ

TL_6SPD

Maybe to you, but over the last few days, I had several people compliment my car asking me first what brand, and model it was then they said it was a very sharp / nice looking car. So I guess your the one of 10000 that think that. lol

rets

I heard you, BJ.

Both cars are good ones, but the opinions may be varied by individual personality.

Scorp76

Considering the G35, horrible interior and all, has been
1. Car of the year, from the same magazine that picked the Prius, the Thunderbird, the PT Cruiser (notice a pattern)
2. 10 best winner twice, alongside the Ford Focus
3. Been spanked by the TL in acceleration and braking (manual to manual-C&D comparo), slalom AND skidpad (R&T, manual TL, auto G), but won due to RWD bias

it can't be that GREAT. It's a bit cheaper and a quick look inside shows why. The TL is more expensive, but in this case, you get what you pay for. I'll never ever understand what people see in G35's. Both the coupe and the sedan are ugly, also have the ugliest interior of any near-luxury car available, and in general do NOT feel worth the pricetag.

On a sidenote, I remember a time when ole Sicklex was dissing the G35 all over the Nissan board, and now he's actually speaking kindly about the thing. My how things change.

rets

VS threads. MOVE to cars & bikes.

1SICKLEX

Again, both are good cars. The G35 is such a damn good drive, it just wins you over. I am not a fan of the sedans looks, the coupe is universally accepted as gorgous and I do agree again, the interior is pretty bad for a luxury car anything. But what a drive

Again both good cars.

Scorp76

I dont think I want to be part of a universe that considers that thing 'gorgeous.'

Yuck, to both of them.