Acura less reliable than Audi?
10-27-2018, 09:35 AM
#81
Senior Moderator
Two consecutive Acura products for me with transmission issues says I can believe that list. I’m almost ready to just pay the money to dump my TLX lease because of the ZF9.
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csmeance (10-27-2018)
10-27-2018, 03:20 PM
#82
Azine Jabroni
Sorry Bob. You're quite the enthusiast and if Acura is losing you that's a really bad sign.
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csmeance (10-27-2018)
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csmeance (10-27-2018)
10-27-2018, 06:33 PM
#84
Senior Moderator
The ZF9 is an unmitigated piece of $hit. I'm sorry to say it, but it is. It's too bad, too, because I like everything else about the 2018 iteration of the TLX. Really. Interior is awesome, two screen system with smartphone integration is on point, power delivery is really good, SH-AWD is still awesome, handling is good, and I really like the way the A-Spec looks. However, that transmission completely ruins the driving experience because you have to live your life around the way it works, not the other way around.
Specific issue is that in turns, right more than left, the transmission refuses to shift, almost as if it's stuck. I can floor it, and there's no acceleration. I can reset by taking my foot off the accelerator, then pressing on it again. It's not dangerous, but it's annoying as hell.
If Acura could put the DCT from the RLX or the NC1 NSX in it, it would be really good. But they ended up with the ZF9, the rare fail for ZF.
Because others have the same issue I do, and there's no solution, I haven't taken my car to the dealer. My time is too valuable to waste on the issue, and a lease is temporary. Had I purchased, I would have traded it in already.
Acura hasn't lost me completely...I'm still loving the NC1, especially with the 2019 changes.
They've lost me on the TLX, though. 
Specific issue is that in turns, right more than left, the transmission refuses to shift, almost as if it's stuck. I can floor it, and there's no acceleration. I can reset by taking my foot off the accelerator, then pressing on it again. It's not dangerous, but it's annoying as hell.
If Acura could put the DCT from the RLX or the NC1 NSX in it, it would be really good. But they ended up with the ZF9, the rare fail for ZF.
Because others have the same issue I do, and there's no solution, I haven't taken my car to the dealer. My time is too valuable to waste on the issue, and a lease is temporary. Had I purchased, I would have traded it in already.
Acura hasn't lost me completely...I'm still loving the NC1, especially with the 2019 changes.
They've lost me on the TLX, though.
10-27-2018, 07:29 PM
#86
Senior Moderator
Yikes @neuronbob ...I did not know it was like this for you. 
10-27-2018, 07:41 PM
#87
Azine Jabroni
The ZF9 is an unmitigated piece of $hit. I'm sorry to say it, but it is. It's too bad, too, because I like everything else about the 2018 iteration of the TLX. Really. Interior is awesome, two screen system with smartphone integration is on point, power delivery is really good, SH-AWD is still awesome, handling is good, and I really like the way the A-Spec looks. However, that transmission completely ruins the driving experience because you have to live your life around the way it works, not the other way around.
Specific issue is that in turns, right more than left, the transmission refuses to shift, almost as if it's stuck. I can floor it, and there's no acceleration. I can reset by taking my foot off the accelerator, then pressing on it again. It's not dangerous, but it's annoying as hell.
If Acura could put the DCT from the RLX or the NC1 NSX in it, it would be really good. But they ended up with the ZF9, the rare fail for ZF.
Because others have the same issue I do, and there's no solution, I haven't taken my car to the dealer. My time is too valuable to waste on the issue, and a lease is temporary. Had I purchased, I would have traded it in already.
Acura hasn't lost me completely...I'm still loving the NC1, especially with the 2019 changes. They've lost me on the TLX, though.
Specific issue is that in turns, right more than left, the transmission refuses to shift, almost as if it's stuck. I can floor it, and there's no acceleration. I can reset by taking my foot off the accelerator, then pressing on it again. It's not dangerous, but it's annoying as hell.
If Acura could put the DCT from the RLX or the NC1 NSX in it, it would be really good. But they ended up with the ZF9, the rare fail for ZF.
Because others have the same issue I do, and there's no solution, I haven't taken my car to the dealer. My time is too valuable to waste on the issue, and a lease is temporary. Had I purchased, I would have traded it in already.
Acura hasn't lost me completely...I'm still loving the NC1, especially with the 2019 changes.
They've lost me on the TLX, though. 
10-27-2018, 08:03 PM
#89
Azine Jabroni
10-27-2018, 08:05 PM
#90
I love the 8 speed in the Vulva. I wonder if they'd consider it.
I don't love all autos but in the Volvo I can pretty predictably get it to downshift and anticipate the turbo kicking in with just throttle modulation.
I don't love all autos but in the Volvo I can pretty predictably get it to downshift and anticipate the turbo kicking in with just throttle modulation.
10-27-2018, 08:12 PM
#91
Azine Jabroni
Volvo does a lot right, they just need to get their driving wheels straight.
11-15-2018, 11:06 AM
#93
That's an Aisin transmission, and since Aisin is part of Toyota Group, I'm thinking Honda won't be using it.
11-15-2018, 11:19 AM
#94
Burning Brakes
Over what time period? I keep my cars well over ten years.
And how do you define "reliability". If my horn fails to work, that is hardly an issue. If my transmission goes, that is a different matter.
Worry less!
And how do you define "reliability". If my horn fails to work, that is hardly an issue. If my transmission goes, that is a different matter.
Worry less!
11-15-2018, 12:02 PM
#95
Azine Jabroni
And CS is a measure of customer satisfaction. Every problem is frustrating if it means another visit to the dealership
11-15-2018, 12:53 PM
#97
Small problems/build quality issues is probably emblematic of larger problems since it could reflect a lack of attention to detail.
11-15-2018, 01:03 PM
#98
Team Owner
I wonder what the 2G TLX will be like. I’m hoping there are leaks of it by this time next year... or maybe even sooner
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Legend2TL (11-17-2018)
11-15-2018, 01:18 PM
#100
Team Owner
Now you have transmissions from other manufacturers, entire electronic systems, you name it, being outsourced. Shit’s gonna fail. No two ways about it.
11-15-2018, 01:25 PM
#101
Azine Jabroni
its not always the manufacturer’s fault. As RS eluded to- cars are full of tech and gizmos and whatever else that is entirely R&D’d outside the manufacturer’s realm. Honda is impacted by this just as much as anyone these days. There was an excellent article not too long ago about Honda and it’s pedestrian emergency brake system. They were developing their own in house and it failed abysmally- they ended up outsourcing to Bosch and passed with flying colors, thereafter. Question is- what are Boschs standards? What are their failure rates? What can Honda do about them? The answer is- not much, really.
Now you have transmissions from other manufacturers, entire electronic systems, you name it, being outsourced. Shit’s gonna fail. No two ways about it.
When I buy a car, I don't buy all the parts. I buy the package which includes the car and all the reliability issues or lack thereof of the brand. I review actual data and surveys. Manufacturers do not get a pass for choosing a bad ZF transmission or developing a bad infotainment system or sourcing Takata airbags.
Unless, of course, you're @Saintor , whose head is made up of 94% lead, and justifies bad part choices on behalf of the manufacturer.
11-15-2018, 01:34 PM
#103
Team Owner
Tried ninja editing. Time expired 
11-15-2018, 01:39 PM
#104
Team Owner
Honda is responsible for their choices on that front. For example, the ZF9 sucks. Honda still put it in the TLX. That's on Honda.
When I buy a car, I don't buy all the parts. I buy the package which includes the car and all the reliability issues or lack thereof of the brand. I review actual data and surveys. Manufacturers do not get a pass for choosing a bad ZF transmission or developing a bad infotainment system or sourcing Takata airbags.
Unless, of course, you're @Saintor , whose head is made up of 94% lead, and justifies bad part choices on behalf of the manufacturer.
When I buy a car, I don't buy all the parts. I buy the package which includes the car and all the reliability issues or lack thereof of the brand. I review actual data and surveys. Manufacturers do not get a pass for choosing a bad ZF transmission or developing a bad infotainment system or sourcing Takata airbags.
Unless, of course, you're @Saintor , whose head is made up of 94% lead, and justifies bad part choices on behalf of the manufacturer.
Same with airbags- the reason they outsource this shit is because it isn’t economical for them to R&D it themselves. Was Honda supposed to buy 10,000 air bags and test them all just to be sure they’re safe? Or do they reasonably assume that a well respected auto parts manufacturer did a good job developing a system made to be fitted into anyone and everyone’s vehicle? How do you not get burned by someone else’s unapparent mistake?
11-15-2018, 02:52 PM
#106
Team Owner
No, I tried ninja editing AFTER you pointed out. SO WHAT IF I CANT SPELL?!
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rockstar143 (11-15-2018)
11-15-2018, 04:53 PM
#107
Team Owner
you are still having issue with ZF9? i thought it was fixed... or "Improved"?
I know i hate the ZF9 in the Oddy EXL our company just leased... i think it behaves more like a CVT than an actual CVT. But i havent experienced any "issues"
11-15-2018, 05:01 PM
#108
Senior Moderator
I was. However, I recently figured out how to reset the ECU/TCU myself and am no longer having issues. Takes only 30 seconds and is easy to do in my driveway.
11-15-2018, 08:56 PM
#110
yes but some of this shit is being developed congruent with the car. They setup contracts for shit in advance of it, or the car even being ready. It’s easy to get burned if you try to stay at the forefront of everything. 9 speed auto was new at the time.
Same with airbags- the reason they outsource this shit is because it isn’t economical for them to R&D it themselves. Was Honda supposed to buy 10,000 air bags and test them all just to be sure they’re safe? Or do they reasonably assume that a well respected auto parts manufacturer did a good job developing a system made to be fitted into anyone and everyone’s vehicle? How do you not get burned by someone else’s unapparent mistake?
I hesitate to recommend Honda or Audi models nowadays despite liking quite a few of them.
Perceptions die hard. Not too long ago Honda and Audi were on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of reliability
11-16-2018, 06:22 AM
#111
Burning Brakes
11-16-2018, 06:23 AM
#112
Burning Brakes
By the way, Acura is a North American brand I take it. If not, what other markets are they sold in?
11-16-2018, 06:44 AM
#114
Azine Jabroni
The crap ZF9 isn't going to fix itself. It will keep getting worse.
11-16-2018, 06:44 AM
#115
Azine Jabroni
11-16-2018, 06:57 AM
#117
Azine Jabroni
11-16-2018, 10:06 AM
#119
Team Owner
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11-17-2018, 08:31 AM
#120
Burning Brakes