View Poll Results: Accord/Stinger/Other
Accord Touring 2.0T
16
40.00%
Kia Stinger Premium RWD
14
35.00%
Other - Explain
10
25.00%
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Accord Touring, Stinger Premium, or ?
03-22-2018, 07:47 PM
#162
Banned
However, if you have the least interest for the entry-lux, don't go with the Accord. They are decent cars, no arguments. But more the kind that you admire than 'love'. And you want 'love'.
Has been there, done that.
Passat GT? It has that marvelous V(R)6 for an attractive price.
Last edited by Saintor; 03-22-2018 at 07:58 PM.
03-22-2018, 10:28 PM
#163
Team Owner
Who buys the Passat this day and age? I didn't know they even made it still 
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Shadow2056 (03-24-2018)
03-22-2018, 10:38 PM
#164
Team Owner
Wait... I got it.
It's not out yet, but it looks like the new model is coming soon. Volvo V60 station wagon.
the wagon appears to start around 38k US.
317hp, 295lbft.
panoramic sunroof, power tailgate, apple carplay/android auto.
https://www.volvocars.com/us/build/c...n/v60/momentum
It's not out yet, but it looks like the new model is coming soon. Volvo V60 station wagon.
the wagon appears to start around 38k US.
317hp, 295lbft.
panoramic sunroof, power tailgate, apple carplay/android auto.https://www.volvocars.com/us/build/c...n/v60/momentum
Last edited by TacoBello; 03-22-2018 at 10:48 PM.
03-22-2018, 10:48 PM
#165
Wait... I got it.
It's not out yet, but it looks like the new model is coming out soon. Volvo V60 station wagon.
the wagon appears to start around 38k US.
317hp, 295lbft. panoramic sunroof, power tailgate, apple carplay/android auto.
https://www.volvocars.com/us/build/c...n/v60/momentum
It's not out yet, but it looks like the new model is coming out soon. Volvo V60 station wagon.
the wagon appears to start around 38k US.
317hp, 295lbft.
panoramic sunroof, power tailgate, apple carplay/android auto.https://www.volvocars.com/us/build/c...n/v60/momentum
03-22-2018, 11:20 PM
#166
Team Owner
If a new one is coming soon, I wonder what the discounts will be on the old ones 
03-23-2018, 10:18 AM
#167
Ex-OEM King
03-23-2018, 10:33 AM
#168
Team Owner
I actually don't mind the outgoing version. The new one is nice, though.
03-23-2018, 10:38 AM
#169
Ex-OEM King
03-23-2018, 12:04 PM
#170
Moderator
Thread Starter
How is long-term Volvo ownership? Can't saw I know anyone personally that has had a newer one.
Local dealer has 2 current V60s, 1 at the max of my budget.
Also has a used '17 V60 Premier at an attractive price.
But, I know nearly nothing about Volvos.
Thoughts on the Kia Cadenza? Looks like a comfortable larger sedan
Local dealer has 2 current V60s, 1 at the max of my budget.
Also has a used '17 V60 Premier at an attractive price.
But, I know nearly nothing about Volvos.
Thoughts on the Kia Cadenza? Looks like a comfortable larger sedan
03-23-2018, 12:16 PM
#171
Team Owner
I'll be honest, I don't know a ton about them... but I'm sure there are plenty of forums on them. I find volvos to be super attractive cars (as of late, anyway). If they had a manual option, I'd be in one now.
03-23-2018, 12:20 PM
#172
Ex-OEM King
How is long-term Volvo ownership? Can't saw I know anyone personally that has had a newer one.
Local dealer has 2 current V60s, 1 at the max of my budget.
Also has a used '17 V60 Premier at an attractive price.
But, I know nearly nothing about Volvos.
Thoughts on the Kia Cadenza? Looks like a comfortable larger sedan
Local dealer has 2 current V60s, 1 at the max of my budget.
Also has a used '17 V60 Premier at an attractive price.
But, I know nearly nothing about Volvos.
Thoughts on the Kia Cadenza? Looks like a comfortable larger sedan
The Kia Cadenza is a rebadged Hyundai Azera. I personally wouldn't buy it but check it out if you must. I'd go find a Kia K900 if you want some luxury at a cut rate price, it's basically a less performance version of a Genesis.
03-23-2018, 12:23 PM
#173
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
Would just lease the Volvos for now. They make some awesome looking cars these days but they don't really have a solid history on the reliability.
03-23-2018, 12:30 PM
#174
Team Owner
I thought Volvo was on the up and up, after they were bought out by the Chinese, a few years ago. As I understood it, Volvo is still Volvo... they just needed an influx of cash to research and develop new and attractive cars. I'm sure 20 minutes of research would indicate if they're a safe bet or not.
03-23-2018, 12:30 PM
#175
Team Owner
I mean, people are jumping all over Audi these days, and they haven't exactly had reliable cars for more than just a few years.
03-23-2018, 12:35 PM
#176
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
Applies to most german luxury brands. It's been much better in the last decade. Volvo has turned it around recently as well, but I can't confidently say that OP should buy over lease.
03-23-2018, 12:36 PM
#177
Team Owner
Last decade?
03-23-2018, 12:37 PM
#179
Team Owner
If buying: full warranty, so no out of pocket repairs. Yes, it sucks if you have to spend time at a dealership... but again, no out of pocket repairs.
03-23-2018, 12:40 PM
#180
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
03-23-2018, 12:45 PM
#181
Team Owner
I do? I love audis and mercs. Hate BMWs, simply from an aesthetics perspective.
Audi has NOT been reliable for the past decade, sorry. BMW had a shit ton of HPFP issues and turbo issues, a decade ago, though I believe they're better now? And mercs, as far as I know, haven't really changed at all.
Audi has NOT been reliable for the past decade, sorry. BMW had a shit ton of HPFP issues and turbo issues, a decade ago, though I believe they're better now? And mercs, as far as I know, haven't really changed at all.
03-23-2018, 12:54 PM
#182
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
Vastly improved. Nothing rock solid like Japanese brands.
If you cant believe they have vastly improved for the last decade compared to previous decade, dont really know what to tell you. :Shrug:
Going back to the Volvo reliability, I would highly suggest leasing it!
If you cant believe they have vastly improved for the last decade compared to previous decade, dont really know what to tell you. :Shrug:
Going back to the Volvo reliability, I would highly suggest leasing it!
03-23-2018, 12:58 PM
#183
Team Owner
Lease... Based on zero information, besides your personal opinion
Better to inform oneself before anything else. But hey, it's not me looking for a new vehicle, in here...
Better to inform oneself before anything else. But hey, it's not me looking for a new vehicle, in here...
03-23-2018, 02:03 PM
#185
Team Owner
I'm saying research and get informed before deciding. It seems no one here really knows much about Volvo, besides they're extremely safe, sexy, and come with some great features. Admittedly, I have a soft spot for them, seeing their new releases. I love absolutely everything about them, save for the lack of a fun transmission.
leasing isn't going to change much... if shit keeps failing, you'll still go to the same dealership, the same amount of times, if you are financing. Repairs are covered under both scenarios, anyway. It comes down to price. The car can always be dumped, whether back to the dealer, or privately, when time comes. But saying "I'm going to lease because I don't know about their reliability" doesn't make much sense to me. What are you gaining, by doing so?
leasing isn't going to change much... if shit keeps failing, you'll still go to the same dealership, the same amount of times, if you are financing. Repairs are covered under both scenarios, anyway. It comes down to price. The car can always be dumped, whether back to the dealer, or privately, when time comes. But saying "I'm going to lease because I don't know about their reliability" doesn't make much sense to me. What are you gaining, by doing so?
03-23-2018, 02:04 PM
#186
I'm saying research and get informed before deciding. It seems no one here really knows much about Volvo, besides they're extremely safe, sexy, and come with some great features. Admittedly, I have a soft spot for them, seeing their new releases. I love absolutely everything about them, save for the lack of a fun transmission.
leasing isn't going to change much... if shit keeps failing, you'll still go to the same dealership, the same amount of times, if you are financing. Repairs are covered under both scenarios, anyway. It comes down to price. The car can always be dumped, whether back to the dealer, or privately, when time comes. But saying "I'm going to lease because I don't know about their reliability" doesn't make much sense to me. What are you gaining, by doing so?
leasing isn't going to change much... if shit keeps failing, you'll still go to the same dealership, the same amount of times, if you are financing. Repairs are covered under both scenarios, anyway. It comes down to price. The car can always be dumped, whether back to the dealer, or privately, when time comes. But saying "I'm going to lease because I don't know about their reliability" doesn't make much sense to me. What are you gaining, by doing so?
03-23-2018, 02:10 PM
#187
Team Owner
Right, so like I said, if the numbers make sense, then lease. But don't lease because of reliability. You can still sell a car after three years, if you finance.
03-23-2018, 04:48 PM
#188
Banned
The V60 is beautiful.
Unless lucky, not that easy....
I have a 36-mo lease 0% with " numbers making sense". For sure I will try to get another one in December.
Right, so like I said, if the numbers make sense, then lease. But don't lease because of reliability. You can still sell a car after three years, if you finance.
I have a 36-mo lease 0% with " numbers making sense". For sure I will try to get another one in December.
03-24-2018, 09:20 AM
#189
Burning Brakes
Wait... I got it.
It's not out yet, but it looks like the new model is coming soon. Volvo V60 station wagon.
the wagon appears to start around 38k US.
317hp, 295lbft. panoramic sunroof, power tailgate, apple carplay/android auto.
https://www.volvocars.com/us/build/c...n/v60/momentum
It's not out yet, but it looks like the new model is coming soon. Volvo V60 station wagon.
the wagon appears to start around 38k US.
317hp, 295lbft.
panoramic sunroof, power tailgate, apple carplay/android auto.https://www.volvocars.com/us/build/c...n/v60/momentum
03-24-2018, 02:52 PM
#190
How is long-term Volvo ownership? Can't saw I know anyone personally that has had a newer one.
Local dealer has 2 current V60s, 1 at the max of my budget.
Also has a used '17 V60 Premier at an attractive price.
But, I know nearly nothing about Volvos.
Thoughts on the Kia Cadenza? Looks like a comfortable larger sedan
Local dealer has 2 current V60s, 1 at the max of my budget.
Also has a used '17 V60 Premier at an attractive price.
But, I know nearly nothing about Volvos.
Thoughts on the Kia Cadenza? Looks like a comfortable larger sedan
03-26-2018, 12:04 PM
#191
Moderator
Thread Starter
Did a bit of research & it seems that the Cadenza is about equal to a 3.8 Genesis in economy, with less power & FWD. Think I'd keep an eye out for a RWD Genesis over the Cadenza. And there aren't that many in the Houston area, apart from base models 
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Shadow2056 (03-26-2018)
03-26-2018, 01:39 PM
#192
1. The Charger is a "homer mobile"? I can point to at least 25 members on AZ who would choose the so called homer mobile, over the TLX it is one hella good looking car.
2. Yes, suggest the Maxima with an absolute shit CVT transmission. So much sport. While he did mention fuel economy, he's no where near as concerned about it as you.
I can point to at least 25 members on AZ who would choose the so called homer mobile, over the TLX it is one hella good looking car.2. Yes, suggest the Maxima with an absolute shit CVT transmission. So much sport. While he did mention fuel economy, he's no where near as concerned about it as you.
Only 2 people took the bait. Not too bad, but you guys lose this round 
We owned Audis from the mid-2000s through early 2010s before we moved to MB and they were rock solid. Anecdotal evidence? Likely, but Audi's come a long way over the last 10-13 years. You will pay more for maintenance for German over Japanese though... that hasn't changed.I do think you're onto something with the Genesis though. Buddy has had 2... one from each of the last 2 generations, and they are just really nice cars. Nice features, drive well, good power... just very impressive. And the latest Gen is the best yet IMO...
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TacoBello (03-26-2018)
03-26-2018, 02:51 PM
#193
Moderator
Thread Starter
Found a 2015 RWD 3.8 Genesis with Tech package here in Houston, but about an hour from my house/work. CarMax, so may have it free transferred to the store up here to check it out. Not entirely sure what the spec difference is between the Tech & Ultimate packages, the only thing I recall from the AWD that I drove last week was the 9.2" screen in the dash & the HUD, not sure but I think the Ultimate also gets a heated steering wheel & heated rear seats.
Alternatively, and I'd somewhat forgotten about it, the Genesis G70 should be revealed for the US market later this week at the NYIAS. I'm curious to see what the 2.0T pricing looks like for it. Also available with a 6MT in RWD form. Odds are, they'll be full MSRP, or even marked up, so it may be over budget (there's still a few dealers with ADM on Stinger GTs here in Houston).
Current list:
2018 Accord Touring 2.0T
2015-17 Genesis/G80
2018 Mazda 6 GT R/Signature 2.5T
2019 Genesis G70 (probably the 2.0T, I expect the 3.3T to be in-line with Stinger pricing)
Alternatively, and I'd somewhat forgotten about it, the Genesis G70 should be revealed for the US market later this week at the NYIAS. I'm curious to see what the 2.0T pricing looks like for it. Also available with a 6MT in RWD form. Odds are, they'll be full MSRP, or even marked up, so it may be over budget (there's still a few dealers with ADM on Stinger GTs here in Houston).
Current list:
2018 Accord Touring 2.0T
2015-17 Genesis/G80
2018 Mazda 6 GT R/Signature 2.5T
2019 Genesis G70 (probably the 2.0T, I expect the 3.3T to be in-line with Stinger pricing)
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Shadow2056 (03-26-2018)
03-26-2018, 05:17 PM
#194
OK, so seriously... this has crossed my mind. I see a newer SCAT Pack and think it looks sick. Then I see an older Charger and think... will the SCAT Pack look like that car in a few years? Will it get so inexpensive that everyone and their mother is buying one? Not gonna lie, it's one of my hang-ups with it...
03-26-2018, 05:18 PM
#195
OK, so seriously... this has crossed my mind. I see a newer SCAT Pack and think it looks sick. Then I see an older Charger and think... will the SCAT Pack look like that car in a few years? Will it get so inexpensive that everyone and their mother is buying one? Not gonna lie, it's one of my hang-ups with it...
I think a base model SXT Charger will.
03-26-2018, 05:21 PM
#196
Agreed... and that's usually what I see are the lower models. But thing is, do those cheapen the upper models? Most people don't know the difference anyway so the stigma can be across the board to the average person.
I just need to stop being so shallow and pedantic...
I just need to stop being so shallow and pedantic...
03-27-2018, 09:55 AM
#199
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OK, so seriously... this has crossed my mind. I see a newer SCAT Pack and think it looks sick. Then I see an older Charger and think... will the SCAT Pack look like that car in a few years? Will it get so inexpensive that everyone and their mother is buying one? Not gonna lie, it's one of my hang-ups with it...
03-27-2018, 11:38 AM
#200
Ex-OEM King
OK, so seriously... this has crossed my mind. I see a newer SCAT Pack and think it looks sick. Then I see an older Charger and think... will the SCAT Pack look like that car in a few years? Will it get so inexpensive that everyone and their mother is buying one? Not gonna lie, it's one of my hang-ups with it...
At the end of the day, if you like the car then buy it. Life is too short to not drive something that makes you happy.