Joecop67

It’s illegal in Ohio to leave your car warming up if you aren’t in it. I know I am breaking the law when I do it as I am when I’m speeding. I just hate driving in a freezing car.
Lol, as I said in another thread, since my daily commute is 6 miles, chances are the car will fall apart or I’ll die before the engine does.

TacoBello

True story. Honda engines, even with just the most basic maintenance, will run forever. Your car will entirely rust away before that engine dies. I've seen cases of guys dumping whatever oil they had kicking around, into their engines. 0w-20? Sure. 10w-40? Sure. I've had [poor] friends mix gear oil with whatever other engine oil and dump it in I've seen guys go way past oil service intervals. I've seen guys have dirty air filters that were two years old and they had no intentions of replacing them, etc. And the engines just keep going. That's not to say they're not causing internal damage... but Honda engines are very well designed to take the abuse we throw at them. Especially their V6s. They are truly an appliance engine, and I don't mean that in a bad. They're built to last.

losiglow

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Wow. This thread is all over the place. Didn't it start out as discussing the 2.0T vs the J V6? I have no strong opinion on the matter. I guess decreased weight on the front end would be good. But don't FI engines typically wear out faster than non-FI due to increased stress? And then you've got the reliability of the turbo to worry about. It's a consideration I'll probably take in the future. For now, I'll just stick with the V6.

As far as the warm up vs not argument, it's been very well established that:

1. Modern engines don't need to "warm up".
2. An engine creates more pollution when cold than hot, and that letting it idle results in a slower warm up than starting it up and going.
3. You're simply going to create more pollution and consume more fuel when letting the car "warm up"

I can't comment to increased engine wear when letting it idle vs not. It doesn't seem there's been significant reports of one causing more wear than the other. In that case, you might as well just start it and go and reduce pollution and fuel consumption. If you want to warm it up to make it more comfortable, that's your choice. I can't criticize, because I drive a TL rather than a Prius. But warming up a car to simply make it more comfortable while causing more pollution and fuel consumption seems to be pretty careless to me.

oonowindoo

By the car is somewhat warmed up, you could have gotten to your work already.

oonowindoo

The engine in my 2nd s2k died on me without any warning.... so you know they are just lucky or i am the unlucky one.

charliemike

Saintor

That is a bit too broad of a statement. You probably meant "prior to driving". Even at that, there is no turnaround and it obviously takes a few minutes to be at the normal operating temperature. Minus 25 deg here.

SamDoe1

You must have idled it for too long.

TylerT

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For the most part, VW uses Borgwarner turbochargers ...

With my personal experience, they were rock solid even being tuned for 50,000 of their 130,000 mile life.

Joecop67

horseshoez

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I know you were joking but...

The problem with a horse is 10°F is about the lower limit for a non-feral horse (thinking BLM horses here). Our horses, even with their shaggy winter coats come in on cold days where the temperatures hover around the ten degree mark and they tend to be shivering. If there's high wind and/or precipitation, the temperature threshold is even higher.

oonowindoo

You sure about that? next time, time yourself how long it takes to get to Normal Operating Temp just from idling alone.

losiglow

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I agree. At extreme cold temps, a couple minutes is probably a good idea. At that temp, you'd probably want to run it to help warm the transmission up a bit (from radiating heat from the engine) aside from the concerns about the engine. Even at near freezing temps, I usually give the car about 30 seconds. But I don't see 5-10 minutes or something like that being necessary in pretty much any situation, which is usually what folks are referring to when "warming up" a car.

Obviously there are the situations where your car may have been outside, coated in ice or whatever, and warming it up might actually help from a safety standpoint. But that's another subject.

Joecop67

Again, just to be clear, when I warm my car up, I'm not doing it out of concern for the car. I'm doing it for my comfort. Lol

losiglow

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Yeah, I'd expect it to be fine I think as long as it's not tuned to the absolute max PSI or something like that. I'm sure manufacturers consider engine reliability when building and tuning. VW seems to be veterans when it comes to turbos however. Between all the Audi's and VW diesels, they've probably dumped a ton of $$$ into their turbo engineering. Honda seems kind of new to the game though. I'll likely sit back and see how the Honda turbos pan out as they age.

losiglow

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In that case, go for it.

TylerT

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Few minutes to reach operating temperature at -25?

You've gotta be kidding me.

Coolant temperature for my vehicles take 5-10 minutes to hit operating temperature (Which is NOT oil temp) at 15C to 20C outside, this is for both my Fit & S4.

Oil temperatures usually take 15-20 minutes to hit full temperature depending on your oil capacity / viscosity.

Saintor

Funny; my commute is 11 minutes each way. I do it 4 times per day.

Sorry but according to my coolant temp indicator, it is typically 2-4m to get where the needle stays. Maybe 2-3 more at very cold temperature. Of course, my ScanGauge could be more accurate.

Saintor

I love my remote starter - I use it daily in winter. Too bad it can't control the heated seat.

oonowindoo

Not talking about the same thing again?

So what is it? It takes a few minutes to reach normal temp during idling or driving?

thisaznboi88

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I warm up the car for like a min and drive it slowly until it warms up. Not sure how long guys are idling the car? Cold car sucks however those butt heaters help a lot

oonowindoo

LOL we are so off topic.

teh CL

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kurtatx

The only thing less interesting than a TLX right now is this remote starter conversation.

Legend2TL

Back to the Sport Accord, I find that it's available with both motors (1.5T and 2.0T) and 6MT really appealing.
One interesting note is the 6MT for the Sport 1.5/2.0 models have different gear and final drive ratios.
Like the 9G Accord Sport, wheel/tires slightly larger, brakes slightly larger and steering ratio quicker.
A sunroof on the 2.0T appeals to me along with the other extra features which are nice.
My main drawback is I don't like the exterior styling, I prefer the 9G Accord, the 10G looks more like a sized up Civic.

00TL-P3.2

So, is the 6MT going to be made available on the 2.0T Touring?

horseshoez

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Highly unlikely; more's the pity.

TacoBello

horseshoez

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I haven't had an oil temperature gauge on any car since my 1979 Scirocco; in that car I would see the oil temperature take an easy fifteen to twenty minutes with moderate driving before it was in the reasonably warm range. Then again, that 1.6 liter motor had a 5-quart oil pan, and given the rockin' output of about 73 horse power, there really wasn't much potential for the oil to warm up quickly.

TacoBello

My 370z has an oil temp gauge. It takes significantly longer for oil temps to get up to range, than coolant temps. I only drive that car in the summer and it probably takes 2.5 times as long to hit oil temps, than coolant temps. I bet at -22F, the engine needs like 40 minutes of constant driving to get up to temps

oonowindoo

Remote starter... what is this., year 2001? What is next Viper Alarm and Indiglo gauges?

oonowindoo

switch to BMW if you miss Oil temp
I have 15 miles commute to work and my temp is still below normal operating temp when i got to work

SamDoe1

Probably not. At the end of the day, you're not missing a ton of useful features from Sport to Touring anyway.

TacoBello

Yes you are.

quite a bit actually. More so in the US, but even in Canada there is a lot of cool shit you can't get on the sport. Trust me, I've been shopping

00TL-P3.2

Adaptive dampers, HUD, heated rear seats, ventilated front seats, BLIS, rain sensing wipers, full LED headlights, mirror turn signals, keyless entry, leather seating, memory driver seat, power passenger seat, 450w vs 180w stereo, OEM NAV, rear USB charging

Sport gets sport pedals.

With a roughly $5k MSRP difference.

horseshoez

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Not sure which BMWs you're talking about but I've had two and neither had the ability to display the oil temperature.

Regardless, once the oil temperature is up into the low 100°F range you're pretty much good to go for anything but full WOT at redline.

horseshoez

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Depends upon what you call useful; in the USDM cars there are quite a few Touring features I want which are not available on the Sport.

SamDoe1

Note I said useful...

Sport does come with LED headlights other than high beam, which I rarely use. It also has BLIS, keyless entry and keyless start. The USB ports in EX and higher are the same, the 2.0T Sport is the same feature set as the EX while the 1.5T Sport is the LX. I personally don't find any of the others all that useful TO ME. The adaptive dampers in the Touring haven't gotten any really good reviews, the heated rear seats don't make any difference for me, I've never had a HUD and haven't had a desire to have it, vented front seats are fun (Jeep has them) but they don't make a big difference, mirror turn signals meh, leather is missing and I would like it but seats are heated so that's ok in my book (I can see this being added in the very near future), memory seat won't matter much since the wife won't drive the manual, power passenger seat isn't a huge deal, OEM nav sucks compared to the phone based systems so I'd actively avoid paying for it, the sound system and rain sensing wipers would (however) be nice to have in the Sport.

If they made the EX-L No Nav 2.0T 6MT, that would be the one I'd buy.

TacoBello

Right, and for me, the HUD and adaptive suspension would be considered VERY useful. To each their own, I suppose.

horseshoez

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I'm in the same boat; an EX-L Sport (with memory Driver's Seat, parking valets seem to delight in messing with my seat settings), no NAV (my Garmin is far better), and with rain-sensing wipers; perfect (for me).