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Old 11-08-2004 | 12:38 PM
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2003 RAM HEMI problem? help~mechanics..get in here!

okay guys..help me out here..

my dad owns a 03 RAM w/hemi..but the problem is...that when he went to change his oil the mechanic told him that there is WATER in the oil???

is that posible? he wants me to call the dealer and make them check it out..but isn't that imposible?

oh..and my dad think that the turck lost some power....i dunno...help!
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:42 PM
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okay guys..help me out here..

my dad owns a 03 RAM w/hemi..but the problem is...that when he went to change his oil the mechanic told him that there is WATER in the oil???

is that posible? he wants me to call the dealer and make them check it out..but isn't that imposible?

oh..and my dad think that the turck lost some power....i dunno...help!
Does your dad take a lot of short trips? Is it cold in Seattle? It's not impossible if both answers are "yes".
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:44 PM
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Is there radiator fluid in the oil as well? If so, that could be a sign of a cracked cylinder head.
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:44 PM
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Eww that's not a good sign. Any fluid other than oil in your oil is definitley sign of a bigger problem. It's probably coolant leaking in as a result of a bad head gasket.
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:46 PM
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Eww that's not a good sign. Any fluid other than oil in your oil is definitley sign of a bigger problem. It's probably coolant leaking in as a result of a bad head gasket.
Head gasket?
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:49 PM
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Yep, or a cracked head.
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:51 PM
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Yes, water and other fluids can get into the oil. As others have stated, the head gasket and a cracked head are the first things I would check. What is the color of the oil? Are there any noticable leaks?
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:51 PM
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Cracked head I can understand (like I said in my post), but their isnt any radiator fluid that flows around the head gasket. Thus

You can get an oil leak from a bad head gasket, but thats about it.
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:55 PM
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How does the coolant get to the head then?
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:58 PM
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so...take this to the dealer? they wouldn't blaim this on us right?

thanks for the reply guys!
Old 11-08-2004 | 12:59 PM
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It dosent. You can take off the head without removing radiator fluid. But it does flow through the cylinder walls.
Old 11-08-2004 | 01:00 PM
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so...take this to the dealer? they wouldn't blaim this on us right?

thanks for the reply guys!
If its under warrany, sure why not? Let them figure it out...
Old 11-08-2004 | 01:03 PM
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so then the truck being underpowered can be a sign of water in oil?
Old 11-08-2004 | 01:05 PM
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Yea. Just tell em you changed the oil recently and it looks like their might be water in the oil.
Old 11-08-2004 | 01:06 PM
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so then the truck being underpowered can be a sign of water in oil?
Who knows, just take it in! Its under warranty, they will take care of it.
Old 11-08-2004 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by joerockt
Who knows, just take it in! Its under warranty, they will take care of it.
Old 11-09-2004 | 07:30 PM
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It dosent. You can take off the head without removing radiator fluid. But it does flow through the cylinder walls.
I don't think so. Step one in the Helms Manual for removing the cylinder head is to drain the engine coolant.
Old 11-09-2004 | 07:31 PM
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Who knows, just take it in! Its under warranty, they will take care of it.
Old 11-09-2004 | 07:31 PM
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I don't think so. Step one in the Helms Manual for removing the cylinder head is to drain the engine coolant.
I didnt have to drain anything in my Tacoma. Guess its different in a honda engine?
Old 11-09-2004 | 10:09 PM
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PCV Valve bad too? Without proper ventilation, condensation can turn to fluid...

I'd go with the head gasket though. Especially in a H.O. American-built engine.
Old 11-11-2004 | 01:54 AM
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thanks for the reply guys...tanking in the hemi to the dealer tomorrow moring...we'll see who the dealer blaims now~
Old 11-11-2004 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by joerockt
I didnt have to drain anything in my Tacoma. Guess its different in a honda engine?
It's 100% definitely coolant going through the Honda cylinder head. When the engine is cold and themostat closed, coolant is routed to the cylinder head from the thermostat housing via the bypass hose.

Btw, I also believe there are water jackets in non-Honda cylinder heads.
Old 11-12-2004 | 02:32 PM
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ok ok...went to the dealer...and showed them our oil cap..full of water and rust..

i go home...then they call me couple hours later..

they said...water in the oil cap/oil..is perfectly NORMAL for a hemi engine..and said..as long as it isn't coolent..its okay..

and i coudn't argue..since i have no knowledge...

anyways...does dat sound NORMAL to u? is it normal for some engines?
Old 11-12-2004 | 02:33 PM
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Huh?? Wow, thats a new one. How the hell did they explain how the water got in there?? Did you ask them?
Old 11-12-2004 | 02:42 PM
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My VW had a little condensation at the oil cap but it was never really a problem.
Old 11-12-2004 | 03:28 PM
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Huh?? Wow, thats a new one. How the hell did they explain how the water got in there?? Did you ask them?

some crap about how beacuse of the cold weather, the water has to evaporate for some crap...i thikn they are BS'ing..they said..its COMMON for hemi's...anyone else here have a HEMI? check the oil cap for me will ya~
Old 11-12-2004 | 03:37 PM
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I know the white goo (condensation) is pretty common on VW's and apparently if you switch to synthetic, the goo goes away.

I just googled and it looks like condensation is common on the Hemi's so he's probably not ing you:
http://www.dodgeforum.com/m_24019/mpage_1/tm.htm#24319
Old 11-12-2004 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nahooneyya
some crap about how beacuse of the cold weather, the water has to evaporate for some crap...i thikn they are BS'ing..they said..its COMMON for hemi's...anyone else here have a HEMI? check the oil cap for me will ya~
So, wait...You said thier was water in the oil. So your only basing this on the oil cap?? You made it sound like when it was draining their was water in the oil.
Old 11-12-2004 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nahooneyya
some crap about how beacuse of the cold weather, the water has to evaporate for some crap...i thikn they are BS'ing..they said..its COMMON for hemi's...anyone else here have a HEMI? check the oil cap for me will ya~
That's what I was thinking when I made the first reply in this thread. But that can only generate a little bit of water, and from your other posts it sounds like you have a LOT of water in the oil.

I agree that as long as there's no coolant in it (i.e. no gasket leaks, etc.), there's not a serious problem. Especially in light of Dan's link ^^.
Old 11-12-2004 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
That's what I was thinking when I made the first reply in this thread. But that can only generate a little bit of water, and from your other posts it sounds like you have a LOT of water in the oil.

I agree that as long as there's no coolant in it (i.e. no gasket leaks, etc.), there's not a serious problem. Especially in light of Dan's link ^^.



thanks for the replay guys..and thanks DAN for the link!
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