07 Z06 VS. 07 911 Turbo
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
100%. Can't argue with that. Notice that I compared the Miata to a family sedan, simply to illustrate that there is more to a sports car than posting raw numbers. A 997 or Z06 is a MUCH more challenging car on the track, and is that much more rewarding to drive for a proper driver.
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All this talk about power makes me want to take my Trans Am out, but the Ice is falling here in Westchester, NY. Maybe I'll do some 4 wheel drifting in my jeep.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
There isn't one piece of evidence that I came across on the net or anything I read in the rags that states that it was running on OEM tires. "treaded" tires was the word GM used. Additionally as I mentioned earlier, GM was testing various tires on that day, according to Motortrend, who logged that time of 7:43.
Originally Posted by vishnus11
Your basing this on one C&D issue? What about the R&T issue in which a 997TT outlapped a Z06? Some tracks will favor a 997, some will favor a Z06. My point by posting those laptimes was to show that a Z06 does not "beat the snot" out of the Italian and German offerings, specifically the 997TT and 997GT3 that were being discussed in this thread. It can keep pace with them.
http://www.automotorsport.se/biltest...615/061501.pdf
The R&T article sounds bogus when you think about it. That would mean that it's also faster than the GT3 per other tests.
I'm sure both cars were tested in ideal conditions. Both GM and Porsche aren't retarded enough to test some of their best sports cars in less than ideal conditions.
And again, there is NO evidence that states that the Z06 was running on OEM spec rubber. I don't disagree that R-compounds vs. OEM tires would make a helluva differnce especially on such a long course, but I HIGHLY doubt that the Z06 was running on stock rubber. Shave 7-9 seconds of its time and your in Carrera GT territory - the Z06 is a great car, but the Carrera GT is a Carrera GT (unless it too was running on non R spec rubber).
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Well it looks like I found the article you were referring to:
0-100 mph/ 1/4 mile
430 8.3/ 11.9
Ford GT 8.2/ 11.7
Lambo 9.2/ 12.3
Z06 8.9/ 12.2
viper 9.4/ 12.3
turbo 9.5/ 12.3
F430 1:17.4
Gallardo 1:17.8
Z06 1:19.5
Viper 1:19.5
Ford GT 1:19.8
911 Turbo 1:20.0
R&T needs to learn how to drive.....12.2 in a Z06, what a joke!!
0-100 mph/ 1/4 mile
430 8.3/ 11.9
Ford GT 8.2/ 11.7
Lambo 9.2/ 12.3
Z06 8.9/ 12.2
viper 9.4/ 12.3
turbo 9.5/ 12.3
F430 1:17.4
Gallardo 1:17.8
Z06 1:19.5
Viper 1:19.5
Ford GT 1:19.8
911 Turbo 1:20.0
R&T needs to learn how to drive.....12.2 in a Z06, what a joke!!
#125
No doubt the z06 is a great car, but i would rather have a 997 GT3 RS for the race track. The z06 is mass produced and is a different target market.
http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/344/...-rs-997-is-out
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS 997 is out. The most extreme of the aspirated 991s weighs 20 kg less than the normal GT3 and it has a "lose-ratio six-speed transmission with a single-mass flywheel", thanks to which it accelerates from 0-100 km/h in 4,2 seconds (0.1 less than the GT3), from 0-200 km/h in 13.3 seconds and it reaches a top speed of 310 km/h.
Other important differences: the rear is 44 mm wider, with a "wider track that not only improves directional stability but also increases the transverse acceleration potential of this two-seater coupe".
Also: the rear suspensions and the carbon fiber body components are the same that will be used by the GT3 RS versions that will run in Gran Turismo championships.
The colors: "arctic silver", black or (optionally) orange or green. Insignia and rims will be black or orange, to contrast the body color.
The price: 111.600 € + taxes in Europe (in germany 129.659 €). It will be available in the US starting from march 2007. Below you can find the full text of the Porsche press release.
A high-performance sports model for road and track
With effect from October, Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG of Stuttgart, Germany, will be launching the new 911 GT3 RS on the European market. This purist variant of the GT3 is particularly suited for use on the track. The GT3 RS is distinguished by its performance capability and the unadulterated driving experience enjoyed with a racing car, but also meets all requirements for road-legal sports cars.
The exceptionally meaty engine boasts a displacement of 3.6 liters to generate 305 kW (415 bhp) at 7,600 rpm. Maximum revs are reached at 8,400 rpm. The power output per liter of engine capacity is 115.3 bhp. These figures correspond to the present GT3. But the RS puts in an even better performance. Thanks to a close-ratio six-speed transmission with a single-mass flywheel and the 20 kg lower vehicle weight, the engine revs up even more freely, thus enabling the 911 GT3 to sprint from zero to 100 km per hour in 4.2 seconds. That's one tenth of a second faster than the GT3. It takes just 13.3 seconds to hit to 200 km per hour. Maximum speed is 310 km per hour.
The reference "RS" will quicken the pulse of Porsche connoisseurs. Models such as the legendary Carrera RS 2.7 of 1972 and the type 964 911 RS (1991) were also sports cars that stood out on account of an extreme degree of maneuverability and handling. That tradition is continued with the new 911 GT3 RS. In common with its predecessors, it provides a basic and pre-approval model for use in a range of racing series.
One characteristic of the new "RS" is the body, which is 44 mm wider at the rear (a legacy from the Carrera 4 models) by comparison with the 911 GT3. The muscular-looking rear end conceals a wider track that not only improves directional stability but also increases the transverse acceleration potential of this two-seater coupe.
Despite its specialized body, the "RS" is 20 kg lighter than the GT3, weighing in at just 1375 kg. This weight-saving was achieved by the use, amongst other solutions, of an adjustable carbon fiber wing, the use of a plastic rear lid and a lightweight plastic rear window. The corresponding weight-saving is 4.5 kg/kW.
With a view to the registration regulations for the important Gran Tourismo championships as future fields of application, the road version of the GT3 RS has resorted to technical solutions that will also feature in the racing version. These solutions will include the entire wheel carrier and split wishbones on the rear axle, in addition to the carbon fiber components of the body.
And the interior lives up to the vehicle's sporting aspirations: 2 lightweight bucket seats made of carbon fiber composite materials come as standard and in the club sports package. There is a bolted roll cage and the pre-wiring for the battery main switch. A six-point seatbelt for the driver and a fire extinguisher are also provided. Internal trims are black, with the roof lining, steering wheel and gear stick trimmed in high-quality Alcantara leather.
The available finishes are Arctic Silver metallic or black; as an option, the GT3 can also be obtained in orange or green. All vehicle insignia and the wheels themselves are styled in orange or black to contrast with the body paintwork.
The basic price for the 911 GT3 RS is €111,600 (excluding country-specific requirements). In Germany, the coupe costs €129,659 including sales tax. The GT3 RS will also be available for sale on the North American market from March 2007.
http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/344/...-rs-997-is-out
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS 997 is out. The most extreme of the aspirated 991s weighs 20 kg less than the normal GT3 and it has a "lose-ratio six-speed transmission with a single-mass flywheel", thanks to which it accelerates from 0-100 km/h in 4,2 seconds (0.1 less than the GT3), from 0-200 km/h in 13.3 seconds and it reaches a top speed of 310 km/h.
Other important differences: the rear is 44 mm wider, with a "wider track that not only improves directional stability but also increases the transverse acceleration potential of this two-seater coupe".
Also: the rear suspensions and the carbon fiber body components are the same that will be used by the GT3 RS versions that will run in Gran Turismo championships.
The colors: "arctic silver", black or (optionally) orange or green. Insignia and rims will be black or orange, to contrast the body color.
The price: 111.600 € + taxes in Europe (in germany 129.659 €). It will be available in the US starting from march 2007. Below you can find the full text of the Porsche press release.
A high-performance sports model for road and track
With effect from October, Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG of Stuttgart, Germany, will be launching the new 911 GT3 RS on the European market. This purist variant of the GT3 is particularly suited for use on the track. The GT3 RS is distinguished by its performance capability and the unadulterated driving experience enjoyed with a racing car, but also meets all requirements for road-legal sports cars.
The exceptionally meaty engine boasts a displacement of 3.6 liters to generate 305 kW (415 bhp) at 7,600 rpm. Maximum revs are reached at 8,400 rpm. The power output per liter of engine capacity is 115.3 bhp. These figures correspond to the present GT3. But the RS puts in an even better performance. Thanks to a close-ratio six-speed transmission with a single-mass flywheel and the 20 kg lower vehicle weight, the engine revs up even more freely, thus enabling the 911 GT3 to sprint from zero to 100 km per hour in 4.2 seconds. That's one tenth of a second faster than the GT3. It takes just 13.3 seconds to hit to 200 km per hour. Maximum speed is 310 km per hour.
The reference "RS" will quicken the pulse of Porsche connoisseurs. Models such as the legendary Carrera RS 2.7 of 1972 and the type 964 911 RS (1991) were also sports cars that stood out on account of an extreme degree of maneuverability and handling. That tradition is continued with the new 911 GT3 RS. In common with its predecessors, it provides a basic and pre-approval model for use in a range of racing series.
One characteristic of the new "RS" is the body, which is 44 mm wider at the rear (a legacy from the Carrera 4 models) by comparison with the 911 GT3. The muscular-looking rear end conceals a wider track that not only improves directional stability but also increases the transverse acceleration potential of this two-seater coupe.
Despite its specialized body, the "RS" is 20 kg lighter than the GT3, weighing in at just 1375 kg. This weight-saving was achieved by the use, amongst other solutions, of an adjustable carbon fiber wing, the use of a plastic rear lid and a lightweight plastic rear window. The corresponding weight-saving is 4.5 kg/kW.
With a view to the registration regulations for the important Gran Tourismo championships as future fields of application, the road version of the GT3 RS has resorted to technical solutions that will also feature in the racing version. These solutions will include the entire wheel carrier and split wishbones on the rear axle, in addition to the carbon fiber components of the body.
And the interior lives up to the vehicle's sporting aspirations: 2 lightweight bucket seats made of carbon fiber composite materials come as standard and in the club sports package. There is a bolted roll cage and the pre-wiring for the battery main switch. A six-point seatbelt for the driver and a fire extinguisher are also provided. Internal trims are black, with the roof lining, steering wheel and gear stick trimmed in high-quality Alcantara leather.
The available finishes are Arctic Silver metallic or black; as an option, the GT3 can also be obtained in orange or green. All vehicle insignia and the wheels themselves are styled in orange or black to contrast with the body paintwork.
The basic price for the 911 GT3 RS is €111,600 (excluding country-specific requirements). In Germany, the coupe costs €129,659 including sales tax. The GT3 RS will also be available for sale on the North American market from March 2007.
#126
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
No doubt the z06 is a great car, but i would rather have a 997 GT3 RS for the race track. The z06 is mass produced and is a different target market.
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yea, and id rather have an F1 car. thx
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Haha yeah whatever
Its basically a GT3 with a few goodies here and there
Its basically a GT3 with a few goodies here and there
The GT3 RS is distinguished by its performance capability and the unadulterated driving experience enjoyed with a racing car, but also meets all requirements for road-legal sports cars.
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
Haha yeah whatever
Its basically a GT3 with a few goodies here and there
Its basically a GT3 with a few goodies here and there
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
Haha yeah whatever
Its basically a GT3 with a few goodies here and there
Its basically a GT3 with a few goodies here and there
And I'd rather drive this Vette around the track than the GT3 RS
#132
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
Haha yeah whatever
Its basically a GT3 with a few goodies here and there
Its basically a GT3 with a few goodies here and there
#133
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Originally Posted by bigman
I'm sure a rally built evo is suitable for street driving too, i wouldnt daily drive it though. The Z06 can be a daily driver, and is for lots of guys.
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i'v heard alot of horror stories about the C6 Z06 in terms of quality
roofs commnig off
brake malfunctions with ABS
motor problems
it seems like GM hit the nail on the head with the LS2 GTO, that car seems like a fairly well put together car with great interior for a GM product. to bad they stopped doing the goat cause pissy little kids didnt think it was "agressive enough"
all in all the Z06 this year is probably great, the first year had some minor errors, but hey... who doesnt
roofs commnig off
brake malfunctions with ABS
motor problems
it seems like GM hit the nail on the head with the LS2 GTO, that car seems like a fairly well put together car with great interior for a GM product. to bad they stopped doing the goat cause pissy little kids didnt think it was "agressive enough"
all in all the Z06 this year is probably great, the first year had some minor errors, but hey... who doesnt
#135
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Originally Posted by SanJoseRoller
i'v heard alot of horror stories about the C6 Z06 in terms of quality
roofs commnig off
brake malfunctions with ABS
motor problems
it seems like GM hit the nail on the head with the LS2 GTO, that car seems like a fairly well put together car with great interior for a GM product. to bad they stopped doing the goat cause pissy little kids didnt think it was "agressive enough"
all in all the Z06 this year is probably great, the first year had some minor errors, but hey... who doesnt
roofs commnig off
brake malfunctions with ABS
motor problems
it seems like GM hit the nail on the head with the LS2 GTO, that car seems like a fairly well put together car with great interior for a GM product. to bad they stopped doing the goat cause pissy little kids didnt think it was "agressive enough"
all in all the Z06 this year is probably great, the first year had some minor errors, but hey... who doesnt
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Originally Posted by bigman
I'm sure a rally built evo is suitable for street driving too, i wouldnt daily drive it though. The Z06 can be a daily driver, and is for lots of guys.
I know many owners of both, the GT3 is much of a daily driver as the Z06 is. Hell, there are more then a few guys that drive their GT3's year round in the North East (snow and all).
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
That car is more comparable to this:
And I'd rather drive this Vette around the track than the GT3 RS
And I'd rather drive this Vette around the track than the GT3 RS
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Originally Posted by daemonicus
will this thread ever die?
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Originally Posted by CLpower
I know many owners of both, the GT3 is much of a daily driver as the Z06 is. Hell, there are more then a few guys that drive their GT3's year round in the North East (snow and all).
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Originally Posted by srika
Just for sake of argument.. the GT3 RSR is comparable to that C6R... but not quite. The GT3 RS is a street car. So , its not comparable. On the other hand, I think the Z06 is "comparable" to all the 911 variants (at least the fast ones) just because of sheer brute force.
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Originally Posted by Maximized
That's never going to happen on Pilot Cups. I'd think it's possible to drive one with snow tires, but not the OEM's.
well obviously. Do you think a Z06 could drive on it's stockers in the snow?
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Originally Posted by CLpower
well obviously. Do you think a Z06 could drive on it's stockers in the snow?
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