srika

Point taken on the lenses, I missed that.

also the external recorder thing reminds me of the old skool 80's camcorders that had the separate shoulder-mount recording unit heh.

Sarlacc

external recording is nothing new in the pro world.

BUT when you're fighting to get a foothold in this price range against competitors offering similar or better solutions for less...its a stupid idea on Sony's part.

is300eater

meh', I don't even give a flying fuck about video, but if this a7S can be a low light performer, I'm seriously considering it

Sarlacc

I dont blame you. I really like the a7 series and you have a good base of lenses to make it worth the investment even for the adapter.

Sarlacc

I just read that it is only 12MP...and while MP only matter so much...this day in age when Nikon is dominating the full frame market in low light performance at at least 16MP...12 just feels outdated by 4 years. This of course only really mattering if you ever have a desire to make large scale prints for photos shows or whatever.

Its minor in the grand scale...but its a nit pick.

Sarlacc

Well, apparently this camera is making huge waves at NAB right now...So, we'll have to see.

srika

cool to hear

is300eater

anxious to know what the price point is going to be

is300eater

yeah, I'm surprise they didn't do at least a 16MP, but maybe there's a reason behind it

Mizouse

For me 12mp is enough. Heck the 8.2mp on my 1D is enough for me.



BTW, one difference between the a7 and a7r with the a7s is that the mount is stainless steel.


And this is why it doesn't shoot 4K internally. Makes sense to me?


If it uses the same batteries as my NEX-6 then yea, those batteries don't last long.

Sarlacc

They can say that about no internal recording...but the GH4 does it...and its about the same size.

Stainless mount is a big deal actually.

You can say 12mp is enough...til you start seeing the cropping power of higher MP. Its huge to me.

But I will keep my eye on this camera...Im sure metabones has a speed booster adapter to from E mount to several other lenses.

Mizouse

But what size sensor is the GH4? 4/3rds vs full frame

srika

also don't a lot (most?) video guys use video adapters with third party MF lenses

Sarlacc

That is a true statement.

Sarlacc

In that world people use adapters for everything...Sony to Canon/Nikon/PL

MF to C mount, b4, PL, Canon, Sony, Nikon, 4/3 (not micro) etc

Canon to Nikon, PL

MF is very popular mount wise because of the amount of options available.

I've been shooting a lot with a black magic pocket camera which is a active MF mount, and I use a Nikon adapter with my lenses...its stunning.

srika

^^ good to hear.


Sony Alpha A7S with a Zeiss CP.2 lens in a shoulder rig.

is300eater

so, a UK site is taking pre-orders on the a7S and it's 2500 pounds, which is roughly $4200 USD Yeah, if that's the actual price, then no way would I consider this. I'll keep waiting for the full frame mirrorless a-mount.

awhile back when the Sony rep did a demo event on the a7/a7R (just after the announcement), I approached him afterwards and asked why it wasn't called the a9/a9R? Since generally with Sony, the "9" is usually reserved for full frame bodies and the "7" is usually the top of the line APS-C bodies. He reluctantly said... "because there are 'more' coming..." I'm really hoping the a9/a9R WiLL be the mirrorless FF a-mount.

the UK site:http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-s...&utm_source=aw

Sarlacc

If it's $4k then it's DOA in the film world.

I looked their native e mount lens list again. Terrible.

srika

let's hope that was some kind of crazy markup or something...

Mizouse

My guess is an arbitrary number to ensure the actual cost of the camera is covered in the preorder price.

The article I read about it did say the price can change before it goes on sale.


But yes at that price I'd rather get a D800/5D3 or even a used D4.

Mizouse

this was shot in 1080P, but looks like more E-mount lenses were used?

<iframe src="//player.vimeo.com/video/90739453" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/90739453">Arbroath Smokies - Sony Alpha 7s</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/fstopacademy">Den Lennie</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

Mizouse

interesting




http://www.fstopacademy.com/blog/son...ooting-review/


video is at the bottom of the page.

srika

another ISO 409600 demo from same series

pttl

Pretty cool. I want more pixels tho.

Mizouse

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/penta...r-competition/

Full size image samples
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/first...of-the-pentax/

srika

whoa.

they might not have the best lens selection (kind of a moot point though since you can use 3rd party lenses etc) but damn you can't argue with their sensors. well done Sony.

Sarlacc

Its not moot.

I was just shooting a spec commercial on the black magic pocket camera...native m4/3 mount.

I do own an adapter made specifically for that camera to use my nikon lenses.

BUT, this spec spot was to be done very quick and guerrilla, and in some instances we needed to be very low profile.

So, in lieu of dealing my adapter, we opted to go with a native m4/3. Panasonic 12-35 2.8...it was perfect, it let use move quickly and the characteristics of the lens with that format (DoF) worked in our favor.

There are times when its just better to use a formats native accessories.

srika

srika

big pictures of the 645Z

http://3zgehi1uaxi23dphbrgqa50r6z.wp..._angle_WEB.jpg
http://3zgehi1uaxi23dphbrgqa50r6z.wp...o_lens_WEB.jpg
http://3zgehi1uaxi23dphbrgqa50r6z.wp...Z_rear_WEB.jpg
http://3zgehi1uaxi23dphbrgqa50r6z.wp...f_tilt_WEB.jpg

srika

So I heard the DR on the older CCD medium format cameras (such as the older model of this) is better than on the 645Z's CMOS - 16-bit vs 14-bit. That being said, I think I'll keep my eyes set on the older models - the higher ISO doesn't really do much for me with respect to what I would be shooting with a camera like this - I would likely not exceed ISO 1000 on the high end and likely keep it as low as possible. #anyways

is300eater

Olympus’ 5-Axis Image Stabilization May Soon Arrive on Sony A-Mount Cameras


http://petapixel.com/2013/06/05/olym...mount-cameras/

srika

check out this guy's A7R pix - shot mostly using Canon glass - again negating the weak "Sony needs better glass" argument -

https://www.flickr.com/photos/98171821@N06/

Sarlacc

You should read for once.

There is no negating. There are very good reasons why its an issue.

srika

it sounds like Sony is not a good choice for your specific purpose.

Mizouse

I was considering getting an adapter to use my canon glass with my NEX-6 but the inexpensive ones won't control the aperture so it would always be wide open. And the ones that do and have AF. The AF isn't so great and those cost around $150 to like $300 for the metabones one. I like having fast and reliable AF. And there aren't any 2.8 zooms with the e-mount lenses.

That said, I still love my NEX-6.

Sarlacc

bingo. They are 4...if they even have consistent ramping at all. There are only like 5 or 6 native full frame E mount lenses. And they cost as much as competing 2.8 lenses with other systems.

And Sony doesn't really do anything to differentiate their E-Mount from their Full Frame E-Mount...which is confusing to the consumer. Since they just call everything E-mount.

I've said it before, you can't deny the camera body itself, Sony did well. But you have to be willing to make compromises to their typical proprietary BS. In this case...their lens mount and lens selection. Its just not there...and at this point Sony has basically said they are unwilling to do much about it. Doesn't give me faith in their product in the long term.

Adapters are huge these days, everyone uses them its true. But there are many situations where the whole point of these smaller mirrorless bodies is to be quick, compact, and non-attention getting. Having to use an adapter with bulkier SLR lenses is none of those.

Sarlacc

And you're correct all of this makes the Sony not a good for me which is frustrating.

As well as others who would really like to be able to consider this system.

So as I said, there is NO negating the argument for a better selection of glass from Sony and you know it.

jupitersolo

It's cheaper for them to keep making bodies, than invest in real glass. Everyone knows that glass is what you invest in, bodies are "disposable" in the digital age. Many talk about how good their bodies are for landscapes, then I ask what lenses they are using, they are old and don't start with the letter "S".

Sarlacc

And not everyone buying these small bodies is a pro...they want simple system that works. Or certain situations require what a smaller, faster, native system can offer.

How are your Fuji camera(s)...how many lens adapters do you own or use on them?

jupitersolo

I don't know one pro that owns Sony gear to make a living with. The one that did switch to Fuji, because they had the body and lenses. I know many pro's shooting Fuji. I was surprised how many after meeting two of the in Philly a few weeks ago.


I use no adapter with Fuji, they have 1.2 and 1.4 lenses that I'm very happy with.