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10-17-2013, 06:16 PM
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Thanks, a lot of information on this release. I know about the lens adapters, but and using older lenses. Some adapters don't allow full use of lens, auto focus. Using older manual rangefinder glass will make a lot of people happy, but for many, they don't have that glass or can afford to.
That what has me wondering about the new bodies, will the just released (over the last couple years) e mount lens work on the new bodies well, or do you have to use the new e mount lenses for the new sensors to really shine. An old lens on a 36 or 24 mp camera could so imperfections of the lens.
That what has me wondering about the new bodies, will the just released (over the last couple years) e mount lens work on the new bodies well, or do you have to use the new e mount lenses for the new sensors to really shine. An old lens on a 36 or 24 mp camera could so imperfections of the lens.
I would think like everything else... if you mount a cheap lens on them, the results will show... but say, you mount the Zeiss 24mm f2 on it (or is it f1.4? can't remember), it'd be in crop mode, so roughly around 36mm, it would still produce great results. At least that's what I think. Which is why I'm hoping the Sony rep will have adapters there on Sunday, so I can try it with different lenses... but I have a feeling, he won't on this demo day. He said this was a last minute decision because he has his hands on one (or two) bodies for a very brief period, then I believe they will shipped off to Toronto for a demo there. He DID say, there will be another demo day in early Nov and perhaps there will be multiple units for people to play with.
10-17-2013, 06:54 PM
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I would think like everything else... if you mount a cheap lens on them, the results will show... but say, you mount the Zeiss 24mm f2 on it (or is it f1.4? can't remember), it'd be in crop mode, so roughly around 36mm, it would still produce great results. At least that's what I think. Which is why I'm hoping the Sony rep will have adapters there on Sunday, so I can try it with different lenses... but I have a feeling, he won't on this demo day. He said this was a last minute decision because he has his hands on one (or two) bodies for a very brief period, then I believe they will shipped off to Toronto for a demo there. He DID say, there will be another demo day in early Nov and perhaps there will be multiple units for people to play with.
Having adapters are great to use the older glass, but adapters add bulk, she has an Alpha to e mount, but doesn't really doesn't like to use it. And if the new 7 is that good, she's thinking of switching, from her A99 to it. But has a few current NEX lenses. Upgrading and switching would just be stupid if the current NEX don't let the 7 sensor shine.
10-18-2013, 02:44 AM
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so far from reading people's feedbacks, one of the worst on the a7/a7R is the very loud shutter 
10-18-2013, 10:41 PM
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OK, I know I asked this before. But are these things Alpha bodies or NEX? I just got myself confused reading something elsewhere.... sorry.... I don't think they knew what they were talking about...
Putting that damn Alpha "A" on this thing is just stuipd, if it's NEX....
Putting that damn Alpha "A" on this thing is just stuipd, if it's NEX....
10-18-2013, 11:15 PM
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OK, I know I asked this before. But are these things Alpha bodies or NEX? I just got myself confused reading something elsewhere.... sorry.... I don't think they knew what they were talking about...
Putting that damn Alpha "A" on this thing is just stuipd, if it's NEX....
Putting that damn Alpha "A" on this thing is just stuipd, if it's NEX....
the are NOT Alpha bodies, because they do NOT accept A-mount lenses (without an adapter). And since they actually can take **e-mount lenses straight (without an adapter), it's more a NEX than anything else.
**all e-mount lenses (not including the recently announced FF lenses), are crop lenses... so when mounted to the a7/a7R, the bodies automatically go into crop mode (the crop factor is 1.5x)
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10-18-2013, 11:22 PM
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THAT said... the rumor is, Sony has an Alpha A-mount FF mirrorless slated for 2014 (hopefully in early 2014), that will be the a99's replacement. I have read somewhere that Sony has pretty much ended the SLT technology.
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10-20-2013, 12:29 PM
#247
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Checking out the a7
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10-20-2013, 08:35 PM
#248
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so, I got to play with the a7 today,
this was taken with Zeiss 55mm f1.8 @f5.6/ISO6400
focus spot was the "SONY" on my a99
please keep in mind this was a pre-production model
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/10390272136/http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/10390272136/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/63271580@N00/, on Flickr
this was taken with Zeiss 55mm f1.8 @f5.6/ISO6400
focus spot was the "SONY" on my a99
please keep in mind this was a pre-production model
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/10390272136/http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/10390272136/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/63271580@N00/, on Flickr
10-31-2013, 06:33 PM
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10-31-2013, 06:45 PM
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Yea saw that. Just about the dame score as D800E for the the A7R
Right?
Right?
10-31-2013, 06:56 PM
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10-31-2013, 07:10 PM
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Do the NEX's have wired shutter release? And does the new 7?
10-31-2013, 10:54 PM
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11-01-2013, 07:14 AM
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My friend has a 6 and it doesn't. Just wondering because of what we were shooting the other night. She had to use her Alpha, I we both weren't sure if the new ones would. Can't find anything showing. But if they don't have a wired shutter, a camera made with a 36mp sensor for landscapes isn't a smart build.
11-01-2013, 10:36 AM
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My friend has a 6 and it doesn't. Just wondering because of what we were shooting the other night. She had to use her Alpha, I we both weren't sure if the new ones would. Can't find anything showing. But if they don't have a wired shutter, a camera made with a 36mp sensor for landscapes isn't a smart build.
see 11th post in this page:
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/sony-a7-...0.html#1223450
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11-10-2013, 09:05 PM
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I got to play with both the a7 and a7R today, this was taken with the a7R and my Zeiss 135mm f1.8 using the LA EA4 adapter
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/10791170875/http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/10791170875/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/63271580@N00/, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/10791170875/http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/10791170875/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/63271580@N00/, on Flickr
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11-10-2013, 09:32 PM
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11-10-2013, 09:56 PM
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11-14-2013, 09:45 AM
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man, if this is true, Sony may have a big hit on their hands here.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/from-...at-cameralabs/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/from-...at-cameralabs/
From source: Sony A7-A7r preorders 200% more than expected from Sony. Sony A7r review at CameraLabs.
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A trusted source just told me that “the pre-ordered quantities are almost 200% bigger than expected by Sony“. That’s great news! It means they already sold triple as expected! Now imagine how much more they could sell with a rangefinder designed version (NEX-7 alike).
And now a new review:
CameraLabs (Click here) published the full Sony A7r review. And I like that first part of their conclusions:
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A trusted source just told me that “the pre-ordered quantities are almost 200% bigger than expected by Sony“. That’s great news! It means they already sold triple as expected! Now imagine how much more they could sell with a rangefinder designed version (NEX-7 alike).
And now a new review:
CameraLabs (Click here) published the full Sony A7r review. And I like that first part of their conclusions:
“I’ll cut straight to the chase: the Sony Alpha A7r is one of the most impressive and exciting cameras I’ve ever tested. This is a camera which delivers the quality of the Nikon D800e in a body which weighs half as much and costs almost one third less….most high-end photographers I speak to cite the absence of full-frame models with AF as what’s holding them back from dumping their DSLRs and adopting mirrorless. Well Sony’s now removed that barrier with not one but two full-frame mirrorless bodies.”
Obviously the camera gets the “Highly Recommended” mark
11-14-2013, 10:25 AM
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ugh. I am not a fan of this tray design. It's what they use on the 5D3. And, it can be problematic because it has that number of additional contacts in place and that many more areas where there could be power trouble. 
11-14-2013, 11:10 AM
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I'm actually a fan of that design.
Had with the rebel.
Didn't like how it was in the 40D and 5D1&2 I've used.
Haven't felt the 5D3, but the way it was before Made it more bulky feeling with how the batteries were positioned in the grip
Had with the rebel.
Didn't like how it was in the 40D and 5D1&2 I've used.
Haven't felt the 5D3, but the way it was before Made it more bulky feeling with how the batteries were positioned in the grip
11-14-2013, 11:12 AM
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I would guess you never had any trouble with it. Lucky you.
11-14-2013, 11:18 AM
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If it makes you feel better iirc Nikon is the same
Well except they keep one batter still in the camera body as well as the grip.
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11-14-2013, 11:31 AM
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That grip is too damn big, batteries should be laying down. And they need to get rid of the stack. But guess as small as the body is, they have to use the stack.
Still not sure why they would bulk it up with that, the point of these newer bodies are to get smaller....
Still not sure why they would bulk it up with that, the point of these newer bodies are to get smaller....
11-14-2013, 11:33 AM
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Nikon give you the option of using the Pro body batteries in the grips.....I use my D3s batteries in my grip for D300s. And the D4 battery can be used in D800.
11-14-2013, 11:36 AM
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I guess it's pretty common now.
I like the old 5D grip, look how the batteries go right in and connect with contacts, and the next contact goes into the camera.
I like the old 5D grip, look how the batteries go right in and connect with contacts, and the next contact goes into the camera.
11-14-2013, 11:42 AM
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11-14-2013, 11:43 AM
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I get what you mean thou Srika.
11-14-2013, 12:07 PM
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11-14-2013, 02:39 PM
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12-09-2013, 03:48 PM
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12-09-2013, 03:51 PM
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12-09-2013, 03:52 PM
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no... lens is def a factor in that gallery
12-16-2013, 03:16 AM
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I don't think this was shared - here is the official A7/A7R product guide (PDF)
http://www.alphaforum.net/bro2013/a7...oductGuide.pdf
I'm trying to figure out what the RAW sizes are (anyone know?) - whether it has any Medium or Small size RAW
http://www.alphaforum.net/bro2013/a7...oductGuide.pdf
I'm trying to figure out what the RAW sizes are (anyone know?) - whether it has any Medium or Small size RAW
12-16-2013, 03:24 AM
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12-26-2013, 06:03 PM
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oh my gosh - the A7R is so sharp. this is with the 24-105 lens
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6604095...n/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6604095...n/photostream/
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12-26-2013, 06:08 PM
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I'll wait until 2nd generation before I consider it. Let them iron out the current bugs with it.
12-26-2013, 06:22 PM
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Sony had better get their shit together, everything I've been seeing, is with their body and someone else's lenses.
Can't make a business with just bodies....
Can't make a business with just bodies....
12-26-2013, 07:59 PM
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And it came AFTER talking with Sony reps, who just made excuses.
Yeah.
12-26-2013, 08:00 PM
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Yup...here it is.
Sony can seriously eat a fat dick.
Out of the 30 minutes I spent at a photo show today, which was a waste in and of itself, I spent about half of that in a debate with a Sony rep.
My friend's production company bought and use a Sony FS700 camera. Its a high end prosumer HD camera...capable of 4K with proper upgrades...It also comes with a Sony E mount (NEX) and an E mount kit lens.
Now when we shoot higher end projects on it, we tend to rent an adapter and use Canon lenses on it.
BUT...part of that reason is there is SHIT for E mount glass, accept for some wider primes.
There are NO good fixed aperture lenses.
When I proceeded to ask Sony about this all I got were excuses, and the market opens itself to other more expensive glass so you 'd want an adapter anyway, etc.
I said...yeah OK...but about the people who buy into the NEX mirror less system which competes against micro 4/3s users who DO have great glass and zooms available are fixed apertures. He had no answer...except to try and say Sony has a bigger sensor...which means dick in the long run.
He also tried to get into a debate with about cinema glass and certain makers...which I have all used practically on set, and that jackass has sat in a meeting and been told what to say about those lenses. I shut him up pretty quick about that topic.
So, Sony basically is saying, they don't know their market. They don't support their market. And they don't believe in their market.
It really, once again, turned me off to Sony who I thought made a big turn in the last couple of years...guess not.
I can't even entertain the thought of spending any money on ANY of their products at this point.
Bogus.
Out of the 30 minutes I spent at a photo show today, which was a waste in and of itself, I spent about half of that in a debate with a Sony rep.
My friend's production company bought and use a Sony FS700 camera. Its a high end prosumer HD camera...capable of 4K with proper upgrades...It also comes with a Sony E mount (NEX) and an E mount kit lens.
Now when we shoot higher end projects on it, we tend to rent an adapter and use Canon lenses on it.
BUT...part of that reason is there is SHIT for E mount glass, accept for some wider primes.
There are NO good fixed aperture lenses.
When I proceeded to ask Sony about this all I got were excuses, and the market opens itself to other more expensive glass so you 'd want an adapter anyway, etc.
I said...yeah OK...but about the people who buy into the NEX mirror less system which competes against micro 4/3s users who DO have great glass and zooms available are fixed apertures. He had no answer...except to try and say Sony has a bigger sensor...which means dick in the long run.
He also tried to get into a debate with about cinema glass and certain makers...which I have all used practically on set, and that jackass has sat in a meeting and been told what to say about those lenses. I shut him up pretty quick about that topic.
So, Sony basically is saying, they don't know their market. They don't support their market. And they don't believe in their market.
It really, once again, turned me off to Sony who I thought made a big turn in the last couple of years...guess not.
I can't even entertain the thought of spending any money on ANY of their products at this point.
Bogus.