SamDoe1

I'm finally in the market to replace or add to my aging 40D body and could use some help in picking out my next one. I really do want to go full frame for my next one and keep the 40D for the crop advantage and also to let the wife use it from time to time. It's worth next to nothing now so it wouldn't be worth it to sell at this point.

Budget is ~$1500-$2000 max.

My current thoughts:
1.) Buy new/lightly used 6D
2.) Buy used 5D2
3.) Buy really used 5D3
4.) Buy new 7D2 (yes, I know it's crop)
5.) Buy new/lightly used 7D
6.) Wait for new 6D2 (hopefully next year) and jump on that one

Current lens collection: 70-200 2.8L, 24-105 f4L, 50 1.4 so no need for new lenses at this point.

What would you guys do and why? Is there a real reason to get a 5D3 over a 6D? I've read that the 6D actually produces better low light images than the 5D3.

jupitersolo

I would go 6D, I only say this because many in my club really enjoy it. Especially one that I have a lot of respect for. Plus it would save you some money and weight.

pttl

The 6D has Canon's best sensor in afordable FF cameras, so, if you want great low light images get it. If you need a great auto-focus system get the 5D3...but you won't find one for 2K.

Apparently the 7D2 is amazingly good at low light and has the state of the art AF system, but I totally understand the desire for FF.

btw....look at the street price of the 7D2 on this link:
http://www.canonpricewatch.com/produ...-II-price.html

jupitersolo

The guy I was speaking about with the 6D, he bought 7D2, not happy with higher ISO images....6D is better and it should be...

MarbleGT

6d all the way.

There are deals on eBay right now, USA models/New, for $1300. The problem with waiting, everything is turning into Apple...as soon as you get the 6dII, there will be something just a little bit better on the horizon.

jupitersolo

Funny how most say this when Samsung puts out more phones models per year.

And Canon and Nikon were doing it before them with consumer cameras years ago.

Canon has spit out a new digital Rebel yearly, as well as their xxD line. Nikon has done it as well, staring with their D50 body.

SamDoe1

My only gripe with getting a 6D now is that I'll be buying 2 year old tech. A new 6D is all but imminent seeing as though the previous one came out more than 2 years ago. I don't NEED a new body but my 40D is now 8 years old and is needing to start thinking about retirement soon.

Things I don't like about the current 6D is the focus system, frame rate, and old sensor/processor tech. I do like the SD card instead of CF and love the built in GPS and wifi.

MarbleGT

My previous camera, before the T3i was a 40d. Laughingly, I prefer the T3i over the 40d, aside from ergonomics. I can only assume the 6d would be that much better again. Unless you think you'll upgrade bodies every year, I dont think it would be an issue.

Part of what I said before can be applied here...I think because they move so quickly coming out with new stuff, it plants a seed in our heads thinking 'old' tech is no good.

is300eater

but at the rate you're going, you don't sound like the kind of person that's gotta have the "latest and greatest"... The 6D is a great camera (to my understanding)... So what if they came out with the 6DMkII tomorrow? I don't know if it would be THAT much better, and you'd be paying premium price

pttl

2 year old tech in the canon world is not really old. They typically take at least 3+ years before an update to a model comes out. I suspect the 5D4 will appear before a 6D2 does.

Focus system is a semi valid gripe about the 6D...depending on what you like to shoot.
Frame rate - it is NOT a sport or fast action shooter.
Sensor, again it's canon's best, with regard to noise/low light shooting/high iso.

If you are committed to canon lenses, and you do have nice ones, then there isn't much else available in the FF realm. Unless of course, you want to pop for 6K on a 1DX, or and even older but still viable 5D3. The price on the 5D3 is coming down now, so it's a more reasonable buy if you can deal with the dynamic range and banding noise.

asianspec

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Well ive been going back and forth with the 6d and 5d3 and decided to wait until the time is right to get a 5d3. Wifi is the only thing that i would like to have thats not on the 5d3 but that can be fixed with an eye fi card. The 11 af points/1 cross point, single sd slot, 1/4000 max shutter is a deal breaker for me. If it had dual card slot then i would gladly look pass the lack of af points and possible max shutter speed.

I think the amount a used 7d (650-750) is going for right now is good for value and not much of a big difference in terms of upgrades of the 7d2. I came from a 40d to a 7d and loved it before i sold it to go FF.

srika

As others have said, the 6D is going to give you great images, 2 years old is not much. The 5D3 is 2 years old and nobody considers it to be an "old" camera.

SamDoe1

Thanks for the advice guys. Like I said, I have no gripes with the image quality of the 6D, just the focus system and the frame rate (neither of which are a huge deal anyway). Only concern I have is that I'll buy the 6D and 3 months later, the 6D2 will come out. Then I would be sad haha. I shoot mostly landscape, wildlife, and such. I do want to get into more portraiture soon.

This would be the first "new" camera body I will have bought, I've gotten my previous ones lightly used with less than 2k shots on the shutter.

The max shutter and single card slot is not a big deal for me since I'm not shooting pro at this point. Just a hobby that I might start putting some pics up for print sale. No one shoots at 1/4000 anyway so max speed isn't a big deal.

asianspec, what are you using now?

srika

why not get the 6D lightly used too? you'll save a good bit and then if the 6D2 comes out sometime next year you won't feel as bad.

asianspec

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i downgraded and have a 5dc

asianspec

iTrader: (1)

that can work too. also you can go thru canon's loyalty program and get a refurbished 6d with warranty, just need a broken canon p&s for its serial number to get the discount.

SamDoe1

Not a bad idea. I'll check out this option.

lol, I have a broken one too. Well I'm not sure if it's broken but it's my wife's and she hasn't used it since she got an iPhone 2 years ago. Basic P/S cameras are nearly worthless these days because of the excellent cameras most smart phones have now.

SamDoe1

Checked Canon refurbished, they don't have a 6D right now. I will keep checking their site and see if they get another one.

MarbleGT

https://www.keh.com/356722/canon-6d-...-body-20-2-m-p

srika

damn they've got a $300 rebate going here! it costs less than used ones I found on CL

Canon EOS-6D Camera with Accessory Bundle 8035B002 KA

pttl

Got this in an email a little while ago.

asianspec

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Some say that p&s are becoming obsolete since the rise of smart phones and their camera capabilities

SamDoe1

I'd buy a new one before any of those. With the rebate, the new one is cheaper than the used ones.

Yup, costs are actually pretty good right now...which is what leads me to believe the next version is not far out.

Click the link, out of stock.

pttl

B&H has 2 "used" (a 9 and a 9+ rating) D750s right now.

SamDoe1

So a year after I started this thread, the project to replace my camera body has finally started. I plan on switching to Sony so I'm selling a couple of my Canon lenses to buy native Sony lenses.

Plan on picking up a A7II with 24-70 or 16-35 in the hopefully near future.

stogie1020

What made you pick the Sony over the Canon? Genuinely curious as I am debating a 6D myself to replace an 40D.

mattg

What has prompted your change to the A7II Sony from 6D? Curious because I'm in the same boat..

mattg

derp

SamDoe1

Here's the rundown of why:

Size/Weight: This was the biggest thing for me. I don't do this professionally and if I can have a body that's easier to transport and travel with then that makes me happy. I hate lugging the massive dSLR with an even bigger lens around. The Sony is MUCH easier to stuff into a small bag or, with the right lens, even a jacket pocket. That's a huge deal for a full frame camera body. Here's a size comparison for what it's worth:







Performance: You basically get 5D3 performance for the price of a 6D. The low light capability and dynamic range performance are second only to the very high end and expensive Nikon bodies. Additionally, with the implementation of the most recent firmware revision, the capability of the phase detect AF is MUCH improved and is probably as fast at focusing as my 40D and is more accurate to boot. Not going to be 5D3 levels but I bet it's on par or better than the 6D.

Features: Has all the same features as 6D and 5D3 with the addition of in body image stabilization that works awesome. So that basically makes every lens an IS lens. Also has the usual run of GPS embedding, wifi connection, NFC syncing, etc but also has focus peaking (easier to manual focus), easier to zoom for preview, and other various things. It can also charge from any USB plug.

Lenses: You can use any lens from any manufacturer on the planet. The vast majority of the major makers have adapters available for ~$120 that retain all electronic and AF functions. Have an old Leica lens? No problem, it'll mount right up and be easier to use with focus peaking. Modern Canon EF? No issues at all with PDAF enabled. Cheapo Rokinon for wide angles? Zoom in on stars to get perfect focusing every time.

Price: It's $1600 for a full frame, full featured body that produces world class images. I'd spend about $700 more for a comparable Canon.

Durability: No mirror means fewer moving parts and things to go wrong. Also has solid build quality with a magnesium body.

asianspec

iTrader: (1)

battery life does suck on mirrorless camera so get extra batteries while you're at it.

SamDoe1

^ Yup, that's the biggest downside but fortunately batteries are cheap and relatively plentiful.

asianspec

iTrader: (1)

As for the A7II, i heard there was overheating issues where the camera would shut it self off when using the video mode for a long time.

mattg

Are you planning on buying body only, then lenses separately? Do you have Canon lenses you're going to keep?

SamDoe1

I don't shoot video so it doesn't bother me at all.

Yeah, body only. The kit lens isn't that great. I plan on keeping my 50 1.4 since the Sony equivalent is insanely priced. I may also keep my 70-200 2.8 if it doesn't sell. I want to have a native workhorse lens though and eventually I'll replace my current equipment with quality Zeiss stuff. I really want to go more wide so I'll likely start with the Batis 20mm (once the 70-200 sells).

Mizouse

If you're keeping your canon glass, just be warned that not all of them work as fast as you think with phase detect AF, it depends on the age the lens was developed. And it's also dependent on the adapter too.

Also that so called "overheating" issue is with the A7RII and 4K recording. It's kind of an overblown issue thou. And the A7II doesn't shoot 4K.

mattg

The Sony glass is expensive that's for sure. Is it dumb for me to think I could get by with an A7ii, Fotodiox adapter and a Canon 17-40 f/4L for wide angle duties?

Sarlacc

Friend just got rid of his 5Diii and lenses for a A7sII. Currently he has fotodiox with a Leica R lens...and even though you have no autofocus, etc...its a really nice combo.

Still not a fan of the sony lenses and their lack of choices...but with adapters and other makers glass...its a win win combo.

He is going to pick up a PL adapter because he happens to have a complete set of Leica Summilux cinema lenses...that about $300k in glass.

SamDoe1

Yeah I'd never shoot video. My phone and GoPro can both shoot video just fine if I ever need to do that.

The newest revision of PDAF software for the alpha bodies is MUCH faster than before. Check out some videos online.

Could you get by with a 5D3 and a 17-40? If yes then the A7II will work just fine for you.

There are cheaper examples of Sony glass but they aren't the Zeiss models and not as good. The expensive ones are the Zeiss lenses that are phenomenal. They basically sh1t all over Canon L glass for wide to mid range primes.

The zooms are probably on par with L glass but the costs are competitive. Also, with the ability to jack the ISO up high without much impact you can use a slower lens that's smaller and cheaper.

SamDoe1

Oh and in case anyone cares or is interested, here are the links to my CL ads for lenses to be sold:

Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS

Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L

Mizouse

I've seen those videos, and yes they are faster than before.

But as I said before they're not as fast on SOME lenses due to their age. Also some zoom lenses will hunt for focus depending on what focal length you use. Also some adapters such as the metabones work faster than others.

Check out some videos online.