Canon 7D - Confirmed? (YES)
09-01-2009, 02:42 PM
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In spite of the samples on the RG review, he does say "The 7D's performance is staggering, given its sensor's 4.3µm pixel pitch. But the 5D Mark II and its 6.4µm pixels are able to extract just a bit more quality out of each ISO increment."
A qualified comparision, to be sure, but still pretty darn good. I want to see the RAW files.
A qualified comparision, to be sure, but still pretty darn good. I want to see the RAW files.
09-01-2009, 02:45 PM
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Have you guys looked at the tests at imaging-resource.com. The ones with in-camera noise reduction start to suck at 1600, but the ones with no NR applied are really quite impressive!
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DA7.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DA7.HTM
don't have time to look now - stepping away from the computer aren't you all so lucky LOL - but upon quick glance I think this will answer some of my questions!
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DPICS.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DPICS.HTM
Be sure to look at the samples with the in-camera NR turned OFF. Especially at higher ISO's.
09-01-2009, 02:47 PM
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I really don't know what RG does to cameras these days, but the other samples and reviews out there seem to be quite positive. 
I've been playing with the full-size samples from DPreview and they look very nice indeed. One big thing to notice is the lack of banding in the high-ISO shots. Everything 1600 and below looks great, and that's good enough for my needs. The dynamic range is also looks pretty decent at lower ISOs, but that's hard to tell from a jpg.
Srika, I guarantee you that at equal print sizes, the 7D will beat the D300s for noise performance. They are very similar at the pixel level on a screen but the added number of pixels will be a big benefit when you actually print something. You might use high ISO more than me, so you might be better served by the 5D2 or D700 than either D300 or the 7D.
I've been playing with the full-size samples from DPreview and they look very nice indeed. One big thing to notice is the lack of banding in the high-ISO shots. Everything 1600 and below looks great, and that's good enough for my needs. The dynamic range is also looks pretty decent at lower ISOs, but that's hard to tell from a jpg.
Srika, I guarantee you that at equal print sizes, the 7D will beat the D300s for noise performance. They are very similar at the pixel level on a screen but the added number of pixels will be a big benefit when you actually print something. You might use high ISO more than me, so you might be better served by the 5D2 or D700 than either D300 or the 7D.
I was hoping you'd confirm my thoughts on that.
09-01-2009, 03:54 PM
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09-01-2009, 03:57 PM
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I really don't know what RG does to cameras these days, but the other samples and reviews out there seem to be quite positive.
I've been playing with the full-size samples from DPreview and they look very nice indeed. One big thing to notice is the lack of banding in the high-ISO shots. Everything 1600 and below looks great, and that's good enough for my needs. The dynamic range is also looks pretty decent at lower ISOs, but that's hard to tell from a jpg.
Srika, I guarantee you that at equal print sizes, the 7D will beat the D300s for noise performance. They are very similar at the pixel level on a screen but the added number of pixels will be a big benefit when you actually print something. You might use high ISO more than me, so you might be better served by the 5D2 or D700 than either D300 or the 7D.
I've been playing with the full-size samples from DPreview and they look very nice indeed. One big thing to notice is the lack of banding in the high-ISO shots. Everything 1600 and below looks great, and that's good enough for my needs. The dynamic range is also looks pretty decent at lower ISOs, but that's hard to tell from a jpg.
Srika, I guarantee you that at equal print sizes, the 7D will beat the D300s for noise performance. They are very similar at the pixel level on a screen but the added number of pixels will be a big benefit when you actually print something. You might use high ISO more than me, so you might be better served by the 5D2 or D700 than either D300 or the 7D.
What about small prints? Still a benefit?
09-01-2009, 04:03 PM
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09-01-2009, 04:34 PM
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Ain't that the truth!As far as printing is concerned, I haven't tried printing the samples yet, but I would say the 7D print size-to-ISO chart would go something like this:
4x6 = ISO12800 would be clean, possibly some colour artifacts noticeable, 6400 would be flawless
5x7 = ISO12800 would have visible noise and colour artifacts, but 6400 would be good.
8.5x11 = ISO6400 would start to show some noise, ISO3200 would be very good.
11x14 = perhaps a little grainy at ISO3200, ISO1600 would be very clean.
13x19 = ISO1600 still pretty good, ISO800 would be better.
16x20 = ISO 800 would show some noise, but no colour smudges. I would feel most comfortable using ISO400 for this size unless the grain was intential.
20x30 = ISO 100 or 200. It should be easy to print at this size with reasonable amounts of processing and sharpening.
This is all just based on what I know I can do with my 50D files compared to the sample 7D JPGs I've seen online. The results will probably get a little better once more RAW converters are available.
The D300 would follow a very similar chart, but it would likely show a little more visible noise at the larger print sizes. The 7D seems to have a slight resolution advantage too. In all honesty, unless you had the two prints side by side, I think you'd have a hard time seeing a difference. There are other variables in the real world that would make bigger differences in the final product.
09-01-2009, 04:37 PM
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Great gotta go home first before I can look at the pics 
09-01-2009, 04:40 PM
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I forgot to mention that any prints smaller than 8.5x11 would probably need a substantial down-sizing before sending it to the printer. The 7D files would cause a printer to choke on a 5x7 or 4x6 if you didn't resize. Most printers don't like it when you tell them to print above 360ppi; a 4x6 would weigh in at 864ppi! 
09-02-2009, 12:47 AM
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instead of a plastic rear LCD cover they're using a glass one... nifty
09-06-2009, 03:09 PM
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some videos released by canon about the 7D. they only have 3 up right now, with more coming soon.
http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/control...articleID=3066
http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/control...articleID=3066
09-06-2009, 05:53 PM
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reading the instruction manual on the canon website, it looks like you can manually set the power your built in flash outputs.
Flash Mode
You can select the flash mode to suit your desired flash shooting.
[E-TTL II] is the standard mode of EX-series Speedlites for automatic flash shooting.
[Manual flash] is for advanced users who want to set the [Flash output] (1/1 to 1/128) themselves.
[MULTI flash] is for advanced users who want to set the [Flash output], [Frequency], and [Flash count] themselves.
You can select the flash mode to suit your desired flash shooting.
[E-TTL II] is the standard mode of EX-series Speedlites for automatic flash shooting.
[Manual flash] is for advanced users who want to set the [Flash output] (1/1 to 1/128) themselves.
[MULTI flash] is for advanced users who want to set the [Flash output], [Frequency], and [Flash count] themselves.
09-08-2009, 11:59 AM
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I haven't watched it yet because vimeo doesn't work on iPhone, but here is a video produced by canon and shot in 24p with the 7D.
http://vimeo.com/6475938
engadget says that the film maker says the rolling shutter issue is slightly less than the 5DmkII
http://vimeo.com/6475938
engadget says that the film maker says the rolling shutter issue is slightly less than the 5DmkII
09-08-2009, 01:07 PM
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I haven't watched it yet because vimeo doesn't work on iPhone, but here is a video produced by canon and shot in 24p with the 7D.
http://vimeo.com/6475938
engadget says that the film maker says the rolling shutter issue is slightly less than the 5DmkII
http://vimeo.com/6475938
engadget says that the film maker says the rolling shutter issue is slightly less than the 5DmkII
Fine, I'm impressed. This is much much much more appealing to the eye than the footage a 5D m2 puts out.
09-08-2009, 01:33 PM
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after watching that video, I am seriously considering selling the 50D for the 7D. Having video capability with a 1 year old son is a major bonus!
09-08-2009, 01:35 PM
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a friend of mine is selling his 50D now....for the 7D.
09-08-2009, 01:41 PM
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I'm going to pick up the 24-70 first then swap my 40D for this. I want a camera that has video.
09-08-2009, 04:20 PM
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Just to save you a few bucks, you would only need 1 extra battery, the body comes with one 
09-08-2009, 04:51 PM
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One thing to note is that you have to use the supplied charger. If you use these batteries in the Canon charger, you can fry the batteries.
09-08-2009, 04:53 PM
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I ordered the grip, but no extra batteries. I'm going to get some non-OEM off of Amazon. They don't report battery power info, but reviews have been good otherwise. Plus I can get 3 for <$40.
One thing to note is that you have to use the supplied charger. If you use these batteries in the Canon charger, you can fry the batteries.
One thing to note is that you have to use the supplied charger. If you use these batteries in the Canon charger, you can fry the batteries.
Crap. that was supposed to be an edit. Oh well.
09-08-2009, 05:48 PM
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IMO I wouldve went with OEM just cause you can register them in the body and they tell you more accurately your remaining charge. If the charge is anything like my 40D then all you need are 2 batteries and they will last you for ages!!
09-08-2009, 05:51 PM
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btw you know how much I shoot - after over 3 years of ownership I am still on the original batteries and they are only now showing that they are not lasting as long. pretty damn awesome.
09-08-2009, 05:55 PM
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I'm ordering with the lens so HLL can have a new walk-around. Does anyone buy kit lenses?
09-08-2009, 05:55 PM
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I have 2 OEM and 2 non-OEM for the 30D and haven't had any issues. the OEM batteries definitely seem to last a little longer, but the others are great for backups.
I figure that the OEM will be used when I'm not using the grip, plus one non-OEM as a backup. The other two non-OEM will be fore when using the grip. I don't think I'll ever use up a full charge on a grip in one session.
The main reason to have the multiple batteries is for when traveling, charging isn't always easy to do.
I figure that the OEM will be used when I'm not using the grip, plus one non-OEM as a backup. The other two non-OEM will be fore when using the grip. I don't think I'll ever use up a full charge on a grip in one session.
The main reason to have the multiple batteries is for when traveling, charging isn't always easy to do.
09-08-2009, 05:56 PM
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09-08-2009, 05:57 PM
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I haven't watched it yet because vimeo doesn't work on iPhone, but here is a video produced by canon and shot in 24p with the 7D.
http://vimeo.com/6475938
engadget says that the film maker says the rolling shutter issue is slightly less than the 5DmkII
http://vimeo.com/6475938
engadget says that the film maker says the rolling shutter issue is slightly less than the 5DmkII
09-08-2009, 05:57 PM
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There are people who buy the kit lenses, but so many people buy the kit thinking they can sell the lens that the market seems to get flooded. Not sure how much it would go for if you were to sell it.
09-08-2009, 05:58 PM
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09-08-2009, 05:59 PM
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09-08-2009, 06:00 PM
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The guy you posted. And no - I'm keeping the kit lens that comes with the 7D & was wondering if there's anyone who buys Rebel kit lenses - half kidding, because I can't imagine it's worth much. $200 for a lens that lists at $500 isn't a bad deal for my bf, who complains of the lack of reach in his walkaround, though!
09-08-2009, 06:03 PM
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ok so I saw some more samples.. ok this camera rocks haha. i wanna get one.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/medic16...ol-1193382@N20
09-08-2009, 06:05 PM
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more at full size - http://www.flickr.com/photos/35555043@N05/
09-08-2009, 06:28 PM
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Can't look at the full size
09-08-2009, 06:32 PM
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user issue or something else? i see em.
09-08-2009, 06:35 PM
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Im on an iPhone
don't feel like killing my phone with ~4mb images
don't feel like killing my phone with ~4mb images
09-08-2009, 06:38 PM
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so ... do it at home? :troutslap
09-08-2009, 07:41 PM
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I'm at work
09-09-2009, 12:02 AM
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