World Economic Crisis Impact on Auto Sector **Saab's Problems (page 6)**
#121
2G TLX-S
#122
Punk Rocker
I don't understand how the auto manufacturers could have 10+ years of unprecedented success, setting sales records every year, and yet just a couple months of bad sales has them all talking bankruptcy? How is BMW supposedly failing? Or Volkswagon? Or Honda, Nissan, Porsche etc? ALl of these companies have had YEARS of great sales numbers and that has ALL been wiped out by three lousy months? I just don't buy it folks. It seems more like a Chicken Little "The sky's falling" situation to me. I call on the whole 6 automakers left take by the Fiat Prez......
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#123
Race Director
i don't understand how the auto manufacturers could have 10+ years of unprecedented success, setting sales records every year, and yet just a couple months of bad sales has them all talking bankruptcy? How is bmw supposedly failing? Or volkswagon? Or honda, nissan, porsche etc? All of these companies have had years of great sales numbers and that has all been wiped out by three lousy months? I just don't buy it folks. It seems more like a chicken little "the sky's falling" situation to me. I call On the whole 6 automakers left take by the fiat prez......
#124
I disagree with unanimity
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I don't understand how the auto manufacturers could have 10+ years of unprecedented success, setting sales records every year, and yet just a couple months of bad sales has them all talking bankruptcy? How is BMW supposedly failing? Or Volkswagon? Or Honda, Nissan, Porsche etc? ALl of these companies have had YEARS of great sales numbers and that has ALL been wiped out by three lousy months? I just don't buy it folks. It seems more like a Chicken Little "The sky's falling" situation to me. I call on the whole 6 automakers left take by the Fiat Prez......
It's done to make people believe bailouts are going to save the world.
Fear mongering at its finest.
#125
Senior Moderator
Toyota shuts plants for 11 days
From Worldcarfans...
Toyota announced they will temporarily close all of their factories in Japan. The plan to shutter the 12 factories for 11 days through February and March is to combat a rising supply of unsold new cars. Eight of the factories make parts and engines, while the other four produce Toyota vehicles.
This will be the second set of factory closures for Toyota. They initially announced a three-day work stoppage for the beginning of the year. Prior to that, Toyota had not made cutbacks on production since 1993.
That closure was for one day only.
"We are coping with a slump in global sales," Toyota spokesman Hideaki Homma told the Associated Press. "Demand in the world auto market is so depressed that every model is falling sharply in sales."
US sales of Toyotas fell by 37 percent this past December, putting it in better position than Chrysler, but worse than GM and Ford. Although many of Toyota's cars for that market are made in the States, roughly 40 percent are made in Japan. Toyota's Japanese sales also dipped by 18 percent in December, and 7.4 percent for 2008.
Also affecting Toyota's revenue is a strong yen and weakened dollar. The currency fluctuation makes U.S.-based purchases of Japanese goods more expensive.
Toyota is set to announce their first annual loss since the company's inaugural year.
This will be the second set of factory closures for Toyota. They initially announced a three-day work stoppage for the beginning of the year. Prior to that, Toyota had not made cutbacks on production since 1993.
That closure was for one day only.
"We are coping with a slump in global sales," Toyota spokesman Hideaki Homma told the Associated Press. "Demand in the world auto market is so depressed that every model is falling sharply in sales."
US sales of Toyotas fell by 37 percent this past December, putting it in better position than Chrysler, but worse than GM and Ford. Although many of Toyota's cars for that market are made in the States, roughly 40 percent are made in Japan. Toyota's Japanese sales also dipped by 18 percent in December, and 7.4 percent for 2008.
Also affecting Toyota's revenue is a strong yen and weakened dollar. The currency fluctuation makes U.S.-based purchases of Japanese goods more expensive.
Toyota is set to announce their first annual loss since the company's inaugural year.
#126
I feel the need...
BMW, Mercedes, Lexus Car Sales May Drop to 13-Year Low in U.S.
Bayerische Motoren Werke AG, Mercedes-Benz and Toyota Motor Corp.’s Lexus division may see U.S. sales of luxury cars plunge again this year, after the financial crisis sparked the segment’s biggest decline in at least two decades in 2008.
Industry sales of the vehicles may fall below 1 million in the U.S. for the first time since 1996 as premium brands drop faster than mainstream models, unlike in previous recessions, said Rebecca Lindland, an IHS Global Insight Inc. analyst. Sales of the premium cars and sport-utility vehicles may slide 13 percent this year after falling 19 percent in 2008, she said.
“If you go to dinner parties, there’s a certain atmosphere of almost fear in the air,” said Jim O’Donnell, president of BMW of North America LLC, which in 2008 had its first U.S. sales decline in 16 years. “People are sitting on the sidelines wondering what’s happening.”
The crisis that started in the housing market spread across the U.S. economy including Wall Street, where many buyers of expensive products are employed. More than 232,000 bankers and brokers have lost their jobs. The meltdown amounts to a $325 billion drag on consumer spending, with luxury goods taking a disproportionately large hit, Goldman, Sachs & Co. estimates.....
Industry sales of the vehicles may fall below 1 million in the U.S. for the first time since 1996 as premium brands drop faster than mainstream models, unlike in previous recessions, said Rebecca Lindland, an IHS Global Insight Inc. analyst. Sales of the premium cars and sport-utility vehicles may slide 13 percent this year after falling 19 percent in 2008, she said.
“If you go to dinner parties, there’s a certain atmosphere of almost fear in the air,” said Jim O’Donnell, president of BMW of North America LLC, which in 2008 had its first U.S. sales decline in 16 years. “People are sitting on the sidelines wondering what’s happening.”
The crisis that started in the housing market spread across the U.S. economy including Wall Street, where many buyers of expensive products are employed. More than 232,000 bankers and brokers have lost their jobs. The meltdown amounts to a $325 billion drag on consumer spending, with luxury goods taking a disproportionately large hit, Goldman, Sachs & Co. estimates.....
#127
Toyota closing down plants?!?!
#128
Senior Moderator
It's weird, despite the economic downturn,Lamborghini sales are up 1 percent. I guess there's always a pocket of people who will always have money to spend:
Full story here: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=af_CqV8iGmEo
Fibonacci, it's nice that when bloomberg TV has a story, it's usually post on the website too...
Lamborghini Sets Sales Record, Defies Slump With $200,000 Cars
Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Automobili Lamborghini SpA, the Italian sports-car maker whose prices start at about $200,000, posted record sales last year and plans to add dealerships now, defying the industrywide slump that’s draining U.S. rivals.
The automaker sold a record 2,430 vehicles globally in 2008, up 1 percent, after adding 15 dealerships, Chief Executive Officer Stephan Winkelmann said in an interview at the Detroit auto show today. He declined to specify the company’s pretax profit, saying only that it also set records.
Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Automobili Lamborghini SpA, the Italian sports-car maker whose prices start at about $200,000, posted record sales last year and plans to add dealerships now, defying the industrywide slump that’s draining U.S. rivals.
The automaker sold a record 2,430 vehicles globally in 2008, up 1 percent, after adding 15 dealerships, Chief Executive Officer Stephan Winkelmann said in an interview at the Detroit auto show today. He declined to specify the company’s pretax profit, saying only that it also set records.
Fibonacci, it's nice that when bloomberg TV has a story, it's usually post on the website too...
#129
Burning Brakes
It's weird, despite the economic downturn,Lamborghini sales are up 1 percent. I guess there's always a pocket of people who will always have money to spend:
Full story here: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=af_CqV8iGmEo
Fibonacci, it's nice that when bloomberg TV has a story, it's usually post on the website too...
Full story here: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=af_CqV8iGmEo
Fibonacci, it's nice that when bloomberg TV has a story, it's usually post on the website too...
#130
More factory shutdowns at Honda
Honda will stop production at its Swindon plant again, the company has announced, this time for a total of 35 days in April and May.
There are no planned job losses at the plant, which builds Civics and CR-Vs for worldwide export as well as the domestic UK market. Production will be cut for a total of 20 days in April, with a further 15 days of closures in May.
“The European car market is not showing any signs of recovery yet,” said Honda UK’s director David Hodgetts, “and therefore we have to reduce our production output further to match the current level of market demand.”
Honda already has shutdowns planned for Swindon during February and March.
There are no planned job losses at the plant, which builds Civics and CR-Vs for worldwide export as well as the domestic UK market. Production will be cut for a total of 20 days in April, with a further 15 days of closures in May.
“The European car market is not showing any signs of recovery yet,” said Honda UK’s director David Hodgetts, “and therefore we have to reduce our production output further to match the current level of market demand.”
Honda already has shutdowns planned for Swindon during February and March.
#131
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
The end of the Auto Show
Automaker defections may turn into a stampede from the time-consuming, expensive and increasingly obsolete events
NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Are auto shows going the way of manual typewriters, videotape recorders, and Palm Pilots?
So it would seem. This month, Nissan followed the lead of Porsche and pulled out of the annual Detroit auto show this month without ill effects.
And now, General Motors (GM, Fortune 500), Ford (F, Fortune 500), and Chrysler have decided not to exhibit at the biennial Tokyo Motor Show coming up this fall.
The immediate reason is economic. Most automakers around the world are losing money and need to cut expenses. GM confessed that it spent $2 million on the Tokyo show in 2007. That is a lot of money to show your flag in a country where you only sell a couple of thousand cars a year.
But the real reasons for ditching the shows go deeper. The automobile landscape is changing and doing things in familiar ways in familiar places just isn't cutting it any longer.
It required an industry outsider to point this out. One of the first things that caught Bob Nardelli's eye when he got to Chrysler was that the cash-short company was exhibiting its wares at 60 or more shows every year. Does it make sense to haul your new cars around the country so you can exhibit them to customers when your dealers are supposed to be doing that all year long for free?
Besides the direct cost of setting up and staffing exhibits, there is also the executive time consumed with news conferences, entertaining, and general schmoozing. It may be fun for all involved but it doesn't make a lot of sense in the Internet Age.
Frankly, Detroit and Tokyo aren't the centers of the automotive world any longer. The Japanese market has been shrinking for years as economic activity slows and the population ages. And some experts now believe that U.S. car sales won't run much higher than the scrappage rate for the next several years.
If there has to be a domestic auto show, Los Angeles in November - or any time of the year - is lots more appealing than Detroit in January.
The new centers of the auto industry are places like Shanghai and Mumbai. A Chinese company named BYD, for Build Your Dreams, recently announced that it intends to become the world's largest auto company in the next 15 years. That's the kind of chutzpah you don't find in Michigan these days.
From the point of view of hardware, auto shows are already obsolete.
Most of the new models that are unveiled with such ceremony at the shows have turned up on the Internet days or weeks in advance. Meanwhile, face-to-face contact with colleagues, sources and customers is nice but can be done in less frenetic surroundings.
For years, a certain segment of the auto industry has resembled a traveling circus, moving from Geneva in the spring to Frankfurt and Tokyo, or maybe Paris in the fall, and then on to Los Angeles and Detroit toward the end of the year.
It sounds glamorous until you think about spending all your time in overcrowded exhibit halls and then fighting for taxi cabs for overcrowded evening functions. All except the most peripatetic would surely enjoy a more efficient way of doing business.
NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Are auto shows going the way of manual typewriters, videotape recorders, and Palm Pilots?
So it would seem. This month, Nissan followed the lead of Porsche and pulled out of the annual Detroit auto show this month without ill effects.
And now, General Motors (GM, Fortune 500), Ford (F, Fortune 500), and Chrysler have decided not to exhibit at the biennial Tokyo Motor Show coming up this fall.
The immediate reason is economic. Most automakers around the world are losing money and need to cut expenses. GM confessed that it spent $2 million on the Tokyo show in 2007. That is a lot of money to show your flag in a country where you only sell a couple of thousand cars a year.
But the real reasons for ditching the shows go deeper. The automobile landscape is changing and doing things in familiar ways in familiar places just isn't cutting it any longer.
It required an industry outsider to point this out. One of the first things that caught Bob Nardelli's eye when he got to Chrysler was that the cash-short company was exhibiting its wares at 60 or more shows every year. Does it make sense to haul your new cars around the country so you can exhibit them to customers when your dealers are supposed to be doing that all year long for free?
Besides the direct cost of setting up and staffing exhibits, there is also the executive time consumed with news conferences, entertaining, and general schmoozing. It may be fun for all involved but it doesn't make a lot of sense in the Internet Age.
Frankly, Detroit and Tokyo aren't the centers of the automotive world any longer. The Japanese market has been shrinking for years as economic activity slows and the population ages. And some experts now believe that U.S. car sales won't run much higher than the scrappage rate for the next several years.
If there has to be a domestic auto show, Los Angeles in November - or any time of the year - is lots more appealing than Detroit in January.
The new centers of the auto industry are places like Shanghai and Mumbai. A Chinese company named BYD, for Build Your Dreams, recently announced that it intends to become the world's largest auto company in the next 15 years. That's the kind of chutzpah you don't find in Michigan these days.
From the point of view of hardware, auto shows are already obsolete.
Most of the new models that are unveiled with such ceremony at the shows have turned up on the Internet days or weeks in advance. Meanwhile, face-to-face contact with colleagues, sources and customers is nice but can be done in less frenetic surroundings.
For years, a certain segment of the auto industry has resembled a traveling circus, moving from Geneva in the spring to Frankfurt and Tokyo, or maybe Paris in the fall, and then on to Los Angeles and Detroit toward the end of the year.
It sounds glamorous until you think about spending all your time in overcrowded exhibit halls and then fighting for taxi cabs for overcrowded evening functions. All except the most peripatetic would surely enjoy a more efficient way of doing business.
#133
Senior Moderator
I can see the point, and definitely agree with at least cutting back on the number of shows each year. However, I still think there are some good reasons for exhibiting (image, excitement, interest, etc. - not all these things can be done in a showroom).
#134
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
#135
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
That being said....with the internet, the car debuts are up and online within minutes of their debut for the whole world to see via pics and video.
No longer do you have to go to the show to see the debut.
Granted car enthusiasts like us still love to go to the shows...but their overall value for money spent is greatly diminished.
#137
Senior Moderator
Seems like a pretty fair assessment to me... It's all about the money now. They can't afford to do things they way they have been doing it since the beginnng of time. Times change, and the auto industry has to chance with it.
GM will sell cars in Japan even if they don't go to the Toyko auto show. Porsche will sell cars in the USA even if they don't go to Detroit. There's an ass for every seat. People who buy these cars don't care if they are at the show or not. People who just like to look (and not buy) will be disappointed, but there are more cost effective ways to attract new buyers.
GM will sell cars in Japan even if they don't go to the Toyko auto show. Porsche will sell cars in the USA even if they don't go to Detroit. There's an ass for every seat. People who buy these cars don't care if they are at the show or not. People who just like to look (and not buy) will be disappointed, but there are more cost effective ways to attract new buyers.
#138
okay I work for Honda at Honda's largest engine plant in the world. Anna Engine plant.
it's like this depending on the week lately(about since 9 or 10/08) we've been only producing 3-4 days a week. the other day or 2 we have to options
option #1.(which i do on Fridays) pick up bolts,paint walk way lanes for people to walk in so forklifts don't hit em, work on NH Circle(way to improve quality, ways for the company to save money,better processes so workers don't get hurt,etc) basically on fridays some thursday we do odds and ends that need tied up.
option #2. we can go home with no pay but it's not charged a vacation day.
another thing about CNN saying the CR-V plant in the UK being stopped or slowed down for 2 months.
what everyone doesn't realize in England(and a lot of Euro nations)
#1. the tax on the cars over there INSANE
#2. Then they tax the fuck out of you every year.
here where i live (Ohio) it's a one time fee of 7% of what you paid for the car. so lets say you go get a new RL for example you chew em down to 50 grand pre tax. you'd pay a one time fee of 3500 dollars. then every year you got what "tag fee" of about 35 or 40 bucks with registration per year.
plus the other thing about England and most euro nations their gas has excessive tax on it.
for example: its not unusal for their gas to be equal out to like 7-8 bucks a gallon.
people here in the U.S. had a cow about 4+ bucks a gallon and to them that's dirt cheap.
so yes it looks like car growth slowing but i feel it's due to over taxation of the people.
it's like this depending on the week lately(about since 9 or 10/08) we've been only producing 3-4 days a week. the other day or 2 we have to options
option #1.(which i do on Fridays) pick up bolts,paint walk way lanes for people to walk in so forklifts don't hit em, work on NH Circle(way to improve quality, ways for the company to save money,better processes so workers don't get hurt,etc) basically on fridays some thursday we do odds and ends that need tied up.
option #2. we can go home with no pay but it's not charged a vacation day.
another thing about CNN saying the CR-V plant in the UK being stopped or slowed down for 2 months.
what everyone doesn't realize in England(and a lot of Euro nations)
#1. the tax on the cars over there INSANE
#2. Then they tax the fuck out of you every year.
here where i live (Ohio) it's a one time fee of 7% of what you paid for the car. so lets say you go get a new RL for example you chew em down to 50 grand pre tax. you'd pay a one time fee of 3500 dollars. then every year you got what "tag fee" of about 35 or 40 bucks with registration per year.
plus the other thing about England and most euro nations their gas has excessive tax on it.
for example: its not unusal for their gas to be equal out to like 7-8 bucks a gallon.
people here in the U.S. had a cow about 4+ bucks a gallon and to them that's dirt cheap.
so yes it looks like car growth slowing but i feel it's due to over taxation of the people.
#139
I disagree with unanimity
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That being said....with the internet, the car debuts are up and online within minutes of their debut for the whole world to see via pics and video.
No longer do you have to go to the show to see the debut.
Granted car enthusiasts like us still love to go to the shows...but their overall value for money spent is greatly diminished.
I think the value of the auto shows goes deeper than what the auto industry sees. I mean, peeps come from all over and spend a bunch of money and that is good for the area as a whole. While it is just a drop in the bucket, every little bit helps. Somebody needs to step up to the plate and take one for the team. And, who better to do that than the auto industry that we finance.
#140
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
^^ The auto industry is in business for themselves.
Why should they care if a city does not get the revenue from an Auto show.
Sure it's nice...but it's not their responsibility.
Why should they care if a city does not get the revenue from an Auto show.
Sure it's nice...but it's not their responsibility.
#141
I drive a Subata.
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^ +1
#142
Senior Moderator
Aston Martin May Breach Bank Covenants
From Worldcarfans...
Aston Martin may violate terms of their banking deals later this year, according to the company's chairman. Aston head David Richards said that although the company has no imminent financial troubles, they may technically breach their bank covenants.
Breaching a loan covenant could be considered a default, triggering a bank's right to demand the full and immediate payment of a loan. If Aston Martin cannot afford the bill, they could declare bankruptcy. Some common terms included in a loan could dictate the company's liquidity and its profitability.
Richards says the current financial crisis is to blame for the situation. Despite saying Aston Martin can weather the storm, Richards' company cut 600 jobs and slowed down manufacturing to match a much decreased demand. Research and development has also been stalled at the firm.
A group of investors, backed by financiers in Kuwait, purchased Aston Martin from Ford for £479 million in 2007. The current situation means the investment team may have to pump more cash in the business to keep it afloat. This comes at a bad time for one of the backers, Investment Dar, which says they need £680 million to refinance short-term debt.
Investment Dar executive vice-president Amr Abou El-Seoud is considering selling up to 20% of the British automaker.
Breaching a loan covenant could be considered a default, triggering a bank's right to demand the full and immediate payment of a loan. If Aston Martin cannot afford the bill, they could declare bankruptcy. Some common terms included in a loan could dictate the company's liquidity and its profitability.
Richards says the current financial crisis is to blame for the situation. Despite saying Aston Martin can weather the storm, Richards' company cut 600 jobs and slowed down manufacturing to match a much decreased demand. Research and development has also been stalled at the firm.
A group of investors, backed by financiers in Kuwait, purchased Aston Martin from Ford for £479 million in 2007. The current situation means the investment team may have to pump more cash in the business to keep it afloat. This comes at a bad time for one of the backers, Investment Dar, which says they need £680 million to refinance short-term debt.
Investment Dar executive vice-president Amr Abou El-Seoud is considering selling up to 20% of the British automaker.
#144
Senior Moderator
British Auto Industry Bailout Unveiled - £2.3 billion
From Autonews via WCF...
Loans of up to £2.3 billion (US$3.25 billion) have been guaranteed to the automotive industry by the UK government, Business Secretary Peter Mandelson told the UK parliament. The money is meant to help the industry cope with its financial struggles brought on by the credit crunch. It is stressed though that the money is not a bailout but a way to ensure the car industry is as strong as possible in the future. Most of the British motor industry is owned and run by non-British companies and individuals.
Up to £1.3 billion in guarantees for loans coming from the European Investment Bank was approved while a further £1 billion of loan guarantees will be available for investments that are not eligible for support from the EIB. What the automakers require is easier access to vehicle financing for consumers to help stimulate showroom floor traffic again. They also need loans to subsidise necessary job layoffs.
A UK government spokesman said the aid will be "targeted and to ensure that strong viable businesses, which are currently facing difficulty, get the liquidity and short term credit that they need to get through this difficult period."
Last month production output fell to its lowest level in 20 years. It was barely 50 percent of what was produced a year earlier. Production and job cuts have been the order of the day at a number of UK assembly plants as manufacturers like Nissan of Japan and Tata Motors of India (owners of Jaguar and Land Rover) adjust to cope with the slump.
Up to £1.3 billion in guarantees for loans coming from the European Investment Bank was approved while a further £1 billion of loan guarantees will be available for investments that are not eligible for support from the EIB. What the automakers require is easier access to vehicle financing for consumers to help stimulate showroom floor traffic again. They also need loans to subsidise necessary job layoffs.
A UK government spokesman said the aid will be "targeted and to ensure that strong viable businesses, which are currently facing difficulty, get the liquidity and short term credit that they need to get through this difficult period."
Last month production output fell to its lowest level in 20 years. It was barely 50 percent of what was produced a year earlier. Production and job cuts have been the order of the day at a number of UK assembly plants as manufacturers like Nissan of Japan and Tata Motors of India (owners of Jaguar and Land Rover) adjust to cope with the slump.
#146
Senior Moderator
Porsche’s sales tumble by 27.3%...
From Leftlanenews...
Porsche is world-renowned for making some pretty fast vehicles, but even the German sports car maker wasn’t fast enough to outrun the global economic slowdown. The first six months of Porsche’s fiscal year are in the books and things are not looking good.
Porsche announced on Friday that its revenue decreased by 14.3 percent during the August to January period, totaling roughly three billion euros. Not surprisingly, Porsche’s sales are also down, slipping 27.3 percent to about 34,000 units.
Porsche noted that sales of its volume Boxster were down during the first half of its fiscal year, largely due to a new model set to launch next month. The German automaker expects sales to pick back up once the new model hits a number of global markets.
Porsche’s Cayenne saw about a 20 percent drop in global demand, but still managed a rather healthy 16,600 – not bad considering the trend away from large SUVs.
Here in North America, Porsche’s sales dropped from 16,200 dales during the same period last year to 11,850 units this year.
Porsche is world-renowned for making some pretty fast vehicles, but even the German sports car maker wasn’t fast enough to outrun the global economic slowdown. The first six months of Porsche’s fiscal year are in the books and things are not looking good.
Porsche announced on Friday that its revenue decreased by 14.3 percent during the August to January period, totaling roughly three billion euros. Not surprisingly, Porsche’s sales are also down, slipping 27.3 percent to about 34,000 units.
Porsche noted that sales of its volume Boxster were down during the first half of its fiscal year, largely due to a new model set to launch next month. The German automaker expects sales to pick back up once the new model hits a number of global markets.
Porsche’s Cayenne saw about a 20 percent drop in global demand, but still managed a rather healthy 16,600 – not bad considering the trend away from large SUVs.
Here in North America, Porsche’s sales dropped from 16,200 dales during the same period last year to 11,850 units this year.
#148
I drive a Subata.
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not bad at this point..
#149
I shoot people
Wow! even the Mini Cooper was in the red last month!!!
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/03/b...-year-edition/
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/03/b...-year-edition/
#150
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
Wow! even the Mini Cooper was in the red last month!!!
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/03/b...-year-edition/
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/03/b...-year-edition/
Where does it break down Cooper versus Clubman sales?
#151
Safety Car
Article
Toyota Sees 1st Annual Net Loss Since 1950
By YURI KAGEYAMA, AP Business Writer Yuri Kageyama, Ap Business Writer – 26 mins ago
By YURI KAGEYAMA, AP Business Writer Yuri Kageyama, Ap Business Writer – 26 mins ago
Visitors inspect Toyota's compact car AP – Visitors inspect Toyota's compact car ' IQ' at Toyota Motor Corp.'s showroom in Tokyo, Friday, Feb. 6, …
TOKYO – Toyota, the world's largest automaker, sank into the red for the October-December quarter and acknowledged Friday it was heading for its first annual net loss since 1950 because of plunging global sales and the strong yen.
Joining a string of Japanese companies that have slashed forecasts, Toyota Motor Corp. said it expects a net loss of 350 billion yen ($3.85 billion) for the year through March.
That's a stunning reversal from the record 1.72 trillion yen profit the maker of the Prius hybrid and Lexus luxury line had earned the previous fiscal year. In December, the company thought it would eke out a small annual net profit, but the outlook has darkened since then, especially with the dramatic contraction in the U.S. auto market on which Toyota depends so heavily.
For the fiscal third quarter, Toyota racked up a loss of 164.7 billion yen ($1.81 billion), down sharply from the 458.6 billion yen profit it had the same period the previous year, as the global slump squelched sales.
Quarterly sales plunged 28.4 percent to 4.8 trillion yen.
Toyota said the last time it had the equivalent of a net loss was in 1950, when it reported just parent results under different accounting standards than it uses now.
The damage to Toyota's bottom line was particularly pronounced because the company had been on such an aggressive growth track in recent years, but the downturn came extremely suddenly, said Yasuaki Iwamoto, analyst with Okasan Securities Co. in Tokyo.
"Toyota is having serious problems responding," he said. "It boasts a full and global lineup of products. But the world's auto demand changed in a flash."
And the company can't count on global sales picking up in the fiscal year through March 2010, and at best can hope to cut costs to minimize the damage, Iwamoto said.
Toyota, which last year overtook General Motors Corp. to become the world's best-selling auto company, announced no further job cuts Friday. It is reducing the number of contract workers from 8,800 in June to 3,000 in March.
Just a few hours before the earnings were released, Moody's Investors Service lowered its top credit rating of "Aaa" on Toyota by one notch to "Aa1," citing fears about its profitability.
Toyota's global vehicle sales for the October-December quarter shrank by 443,000 units from the same period a year earlier to 1.84 million, as sales dropped throughout the world, including North America, Europe, Japan and other Asian nations, it said.
"Both revenues and profits declined severely during this period," Executive Vice President Mitsuo Kino****a said of the latest quarter.
Conditions were especially tough in the U.S. and Europe, and the rapid rise of the yen against the dollar, euro and other currencies, which reduces the value of overseas earnings, also hurt results, he said.
Toyota lowered its global vehicle sales forecast for the fiscal year by 220,000 from its December projection to 7.32 million vehicles. Now it expects 21 trillion yen in sales for the year, down from a record 26.3 trillion yen earned for the previous year.
The company also said its yearly operating loss will balloon to 450 billion yen, worse than its earlier forecast of 150 billion yen loss. That would be the company's first operating loss in 70 years. Operating income excludes taxes and other items included in net profit, and often gives a picture of a company's core business.
Until the U.S. financial crisis erupted last year, Toyota had been on a roll, boosting rising profits for seven straight years, riding on the success of its fuel-efficient models.
The global slump and the rising yen have pummeled all Japanese exporters, including electronics makers Sony Corp. and Panasonic Corp., which are both forecasting losses for the fiscal year through March.
Honda Motor Co., Japan's second-biggest automaker, expects to stay in the black for the year through March at 80 billion yen profit, although that's down 87 percent from the record 600 billion yen the previous year.
Nissan Motor Co., the nation's No. 3 automaker, reports earnings Monday. Smaller automakers Mitsubishi Motors Corp. and Mazda Motor Corp. have already projected losses for the fiscal year.
Kino****a promised Toyota will turn itself around through cost cuts and new products. He said Toyota continues to be committed to developing gas-electric hybrids as a pillar of its growth strategy.
He pointed to the third-generation Prius, set to arrive at dealerships in May, as well as the HS250h, the first Lexus model designed solely as a hybrid, scheduled for sale midyear, as models symbolizing Toyota's future.
Last month, the company tapped as incoming president a member of the founding family, Akio Toyoda, an executive vice president, who at 52 is considered young by Japanese standards for heading a major corporation.
Company officials and analysts say he can help bring employee ranks, group companies and dealerships together during hard times because he has the special charm of a Toyoda.
Toyota shares rose 1.6 percent to 3,050 yen. The earnings were announced earnings after trading ended in Tokyo.
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Hybrid Sales
Even as automakers work feverishly to develop new hybrid cars, cash-strapped consumers are closing their wallets to today's models.
Fuel-thrifty gas-electric hybrids sold poorly in January amid low gas prices and the recession. Sales of hybrid versions of the Honda Civic, Ford Escape and Toyota Camry all took bigger percentage dives in the month than sales of the conventional versions. The hybrids come with higher price tags, though the gas savings can offset the upfront cost over time.
Sales of the leading hybrid, Toyota's Prius, which has no gasoline equivalent, fell 28.6% last month vs. January last year, Autodata says. That was less than Toyota's 31.7% overall drop but a far cry from last summer when dealers had waiting lists for Prius.
It's a "very bad car market, but Prius is not immune," says Toyota spokesman Mike Michaels. "Gas prices have abated to a point that people have a fairly short memory." Regular gas averaged $1.91 a gallon nationwide Thursday vs. $2.98 a year ago, AAA says.
The drop in hybrid popularity comes at a touchy time. Automakers are ready to roll out more new hybrids in spring: Honda Insight, Ford Fusion hybrid and a next-generation Prius. Slow hybrid demand near Insight's launch "is not a big deal," insists Honda spokesman Kurt Antonius. "The Insight is perfectly positioned" as a value-priced vehicle.
"We want to sell it for below $20,000" in the U.S., said Koichi Kondo, Honda executive vice president, at the Insight launch Thursday in Tokyo. It goes on sale in Japan today at 1.89 million yen (about $21,020) to start.
Automakers are starting to discount hybrids. Total average incentives on them rose 88% from December through January to $992. In the same months, incentives on conventional vehicles fell 6% to $2,736, reports Edmunds.com. Hybrid incentives in the past year, though, remain below their peak two years ago.
Sales will bounce back when the economy improves and gas prices rise again, predicts Paul Scott, co-founder of Plug In America, which advocates for plug-in electric vehicles.
"Most people understand it's only a matter of time before (gas) goes back up," he says. "Once they feel more comfortable about buying again, they will buy hybrids."
Contributing: Reuters in Tokyo
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The hybrids come with higher price tags, though the gas savings can offset the upfront cost over time.
Sales will bounce back when the economy improves and gas prices rise again, predicts Paul Scott, co-founder of Plug In America, which advocates for plug-in electric vehicles.
"Most people understand it's only a matter of time before (gas) goes back up," he says. "Once they feel more comfortable about buying again, they will buy hybrids."
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Burned Supercars - New Fad?
From WCF...
There's no hiding the fact that the global economic downturn has taken a toll on many people but it appears some members of society are taking their anger out on supercars.
First there is the case of this Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder which was torched in Sint-Truiden, Belgium. The roadster along with at least twenty other vehicles was burned by two men outside a local bar on a busy Saturday night. Luckily the criminals were captured after they left their footprints on parts that were kicked off the car prior to being torched.
A loyal WCF reader sent in this picture of a burnt Audi R8 and says that it is just one of several in Dubai that has been set ablaze recently.
In the past, trucks and SUVs were targets of eco-terrorism but the latest attacks on supercars appears to be something altogether different. They're expensive, high profile vehicles with wealthy owners and while there may not be a clear connection between the state of the economy and the recent spike in attacks, owners might not want to park their supercar on the street anytime soon.
First there is the case of this Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder which was torched in Sint-Truiden, Belgium. The roadster along with at least twenty other vehicles was burned by two men outside a local bar on a busy Saturday night. Luckily the criminals were captured after they left their footprints on parts that were kicked off the car prior to being torched.
A loyal WCF reader sent in this picture of a burnt Audi R8 and says that it is just one of several in Dubai that has been set ablaze recently.
In the past, trucks and SUVs were targets of eco-terrorism but the latest attacks on supercars appears to be something altogether different. They're expensive, high profile vehicles with wealthy owners and while there may not be a clear connection between the state of the economy and the recent spike in attacks, owners might not want to park their supercar on the street anytime soon.
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Infiniti
Nissan: Scrap the 200SX, make the green stuff… hold the GT-R
February 12th, 2009
It had been common knowledge that Nissan was producing a compact, rear-wheel drive sportscar for a few years but Monday’s announcement that Nissan’s joining the long list of automakers facing financial difficulties has led to a change of plans. The company is instead looking to concentrate on smaller cars and has approached the American congress expressing interest in producing an electric vehicle to rival set to debut next year.
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BMW profits down 90% in 2008
MW's net profits tumbled nearly 90 per cent in 2008, but bosses have insisted the company is in robust health.
Official figures revealed today show that BMW made 330 million Euros (around £303 million) in 2008.
The 89.5 per cent drop in profits has been put down to 2.4 billion Euros (£2.24bn) of exceptional costs linked to bad debts, personnel costs and provisions to cover risks on used car markets.
BMW's bad news rounds off a pretty stinging day for the car industry, after Saab announced earlier today that it is cutting 750 jobs, and Volkswagen predicted a sizeable drop in profits in 2009.
Official figures revealed today show that BMW made 330 million Euros (around £303 million) in 2008.
The 89.5 per cent drop in profits has been put down to 2.4 billion Euros (£2.24bn) of exceptional costs linked to bad debts, personnel costs and provisions to cover risks on used car markets.
BMW's bad news rounds off a pretty stinging day for the car industry, after Saab announced earlier today that it is cutting 750 jobs, and Volkswagen predicted a sizeable drop in profits in 2009.
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Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Mazda seeking loans from Japanese government
Toyota
Honda
Nissan & Mazda
Toyota Financial Services has reportedly applied for loans equaling $2 billion (200 billion yen) from the state-backed Japan Bank for International Cooperation. Much of these funds would presumably be used to lend money to new car buyers in the United States, Toyota's largest and most profitable market. If granted, Toyota would join American automakers General Motors and Chrysler on the bailout bandwagon.
Last month, Toyota sold roughly $2 billion (200 billion yen) worth of 10-year bonds at rates much less favorable than what the automaker had previously been accustomed to. That and the aforementioned loan request are actions likely taken to shore up Toyota's falling cash reserves, which some have estimated to be as low as $18.5 billion at the end of January.
It's widely expected that Toyota will post a net loss of as much as $3.5 billion (350 billion yen) for the fiscal year ending in March. This would be the Japanese automaker's first ever operating loss for a full 12-month period, and it further proves how dire the current economic conditions are for all around the globe. Thanks to all who sent this in!
[Source: Bloomberg | Photo by Junko Kimura/Getty]
Last month, Toyota sold roughly $2 billion (200 billion yen) worth of 10-year bonds at rates much less favorable than what the automaker had previously been accustomed to. That and the aforementioned loan request are actions likely taken to shore up Toyota's falling cash reserves, which some have estimated to be as low as $18.5 billion at the end of January.
It's widely expected that Toyota will post a net loss of as much as $3.5 billion (350 billion yen) for the fiscal year ending in March. This would be the Japanese automaker's first ever operating loss for a full 12-month period, and it further proves how dire the current economic conditions are for all around the globe. Thanks to all who sent this in!
[Source: Bloomberg | Photo by Junko Kimura/Getty]
Yesterday we learned that Toyota's financial arm has applied for a $2 billion loan from the Japanese government. One day later comes word that Honda may follow suit. Honda is reportedly looking to borrow $100 million to loan to U.S. customers. The loan may be necessary due to the lack of money flowing through the U.S. financial market; a situation that is hurting all automakers. The financial markets are definitely hurting Honda, too, as the Japanese automaker posted a 38% sales decline for February versus 2008. Only two models in the Honda portfolio posted gains for the month; the fuel efficient Honda Fit and the new for 2009 Acura TSX. The February sales slide caused Honda to lose 4.6% on the Japanese stock exchange.
While the current global sales slide is hurting even the strongest of the world's automakers, some analysts see the situation improving later this year. Atlantis Investment Research Corp. president Edwin Merner in Tokyo told Bloomberg that he foresees vehicle sales improving by the end of the year, barring a further erosion of the global economy.
[Source: Bloomberg, Photo by FABRICE COFFRINI/AFP/Getty ]
While the current global sales slide is hurting even the strongest of the world's automakers, some analysts see the situation improving later this year. Atlantis Investment Research Corp. president Edwin Merner in Tokyo told Bloomberg that he foresees vehicle sales improving by the end of the year, barring a further erosion of the global economy.
[Source: Bloomberg, Photo by FABRICE COFFRINI/AFP/Getty ]
Toyota has already stepped up and asked the Japanese government for a $2 billion loan to shore up its U.S. lending arm, Toyota Motor Credit Corp. We've also heard that Honda may do the same. Add Nissan and Mazda to the list now. The four biggest Japanese automakers will now all likely ask for government loans to help ensure that sufficient credit is available for U.S. customers to purchase their cars and trucks. While all four have seen sales fall less sharply than General Motors, Ford and Chrysler, each is still experiencing historically low sales in their biggest market: the U.S. Fortunately, the Japanese government has a lot of cash lying around, around $1 trillion in a foreign currency stockpile. About $5 billion has been earmarked and can be funneled through the nation's state-backed bank, the Japan Bank for International Cooperation. Only Toyota has officially requested loans, but Nissan, Honda and Mazda have all confirmed they will apply if the money's available.
[Source: Automotive News, sub. req'd | Photo by NICHOLAS RATZENBOECK/AFP/Getty]
[Source: Automotive News, sub. req'd | Photo by NICHOLAS RATZENBOECK/AFP/Getty]