World Economic Crisis Impact on Auto Sector **Saab's Problems (page 6)**
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World Economic Crisis Impact on Auto Sector **Saab's Problems (page 6)**
DETROIT (Reuters) - The global auto market may experience an "outright collapse" in 2009 amid growing concerns around credit availability of credit and general economic stress, an influential industry tracking firm said on Thursday.
J.D. Power and Associates forecast U.S. light vehicle sales would fall to 13.2 million units in 2009 after likely settling at 13.6 million units this year, adding that a pronounced recovery is more than 18 months away.
"While the global automotive industry is clearly experiencing a slowdown in 2008, the global market in 2009 may experience an outright collapse," said Jeff Schuster, executive director of automotive forecasting for J.D. Power.
"While mature markets are being impacted more severely than emerging markets, no country or region is completely immune to the turmoil," Schuster said.
J.D. Power and Associates forecast U.S. light vehicle sales would fall to 13.2 million units in 2009 after likely settling at 13.6 million units this year, adding that a pronounced recovery is more than 18 months away.
"While the global automotive industry is clearly experiencing a slowdown in 2008, the global market in 2009 may experience an outright collapse," said Jeff Schuster, executive director of automotive forecasting for J.D. Power.
"While mature markets are being impacted more severely than emerging markets, no country or region is completely immune to the turmoil," Schuster said.
oof!
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Oof's the word...Perhaps we may even see some manufacturers go belly up?
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:cough: GM :cough:
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The US Gov. will never let GM or Ford go under. Much like the airlines and the financial institutions they'll get a bail out package.
What ever happened to "Made in America" actually meaning you could a: make a quality product and b: have a solid profit?
What ever happened to "Made in America" actually meaning you could a: make a quality product and b: have a solid profit?
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....and now they are in a freefall.
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Keep this in mind the US automakers are getting a $25 Billion dollar loan. GM alone lost over $38.7 Billion in 2007. You do the math...
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It's in a sense a bail-out because it came at a time of restricted access to public capital markets......they were in dire need of $$$$$.
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national debt running up to $10.1 trillion, and having to support big-money-burning will-never-win wars in two oversea countries, and uncertainty about having to pitch more bailout efforts in the banking and insurance industries, and the CDS (credit default swap) bubble waiting to burst next, the US government may have to be forced to let something go, just like the way Lehman Brothers did.
Once the new US pres. goes into office, it'll even be harder, if not impossible, to approve any more bailout packages, because the new pres. has 4 remaining years to hold accountable for his actions. Not like Bush who forces through the bailout, and will then wipe his ass clean when he leaves office soon, leaving the resulting mess to the next poor successor.
The GM and Ford shares have been repeatedly demoted to below below-junk ratings multiple times, and they will definitely have a hard time borrow more money from the banks even if the banks still have cash left. Everything seems to go against all these domestic auto makers.
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Maybe it's time for consolidation for the auto makers, just like the financial industry? The capital investment to design new equipment / technologies is astronomical. Maybe there will be only a handful of auto conglomerates -- Daimler tried it, but they timed it poorly. Nissan/Renault are collaborating well; maybe GM and shack up with a European firm or maybe a Japanese firm. Ford tried to buy everyone out and we see what happened to that (that Nasser guy is an idiot ... how did the Ford family trust him?) Chrysler -- maybe Cerberus will "efficiently" cut costs ... but when will they market a product that people want for more than a model year or two?
These will be lean times indeed.
These will be lean times indeed.
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I thought Toyota and GM were already collaborating on some things in the Hybrid arena. I know that GM has also been working with Subaru a bit as well. This can be seen in the Saab version of the WRX wagon which came out a few years back.
The media is predicting that a lot of dealerships are going to go under as a result of the credit crunch. The next 12 months will be very telling in terms of how bad things will eventually get.
The media is predicting that a lot of dealerships are going to go under as a result of the credit crunch. The next 12 months will be very telling in terms of how bad things will eventually get.
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This just in from the GM Obvious Desk
GM says bankruptcy not option it is considering
DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp (NYSE:GM - News), whose shares have plunged to a 58-year low amid the market turmoil, said in a formal statement that bankruptcy protection is not an option the automaker is considering.
"Clearly we face unprecedented challenges related to uncertainty in the financial markets globally and weakening economic fundamentals in many key markets," GM said.
"But bankruptcy protection is not an option GM is considering. Bankruptcy would not be in the interests of our employees, stockholders, suppliers or customers."
Really? BK is not in the best interest?
Thanks for the update GM
DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp (NYSE:GM - News), whose shares have plunged to a 58-year low amid the market turmoil, said in a formal statement that bankruptcy protection is not an option the automaker is considering.
"Clearly we face unprecedented challenges related to uncertainty in the financial markets globally and weakening economic fundamentals in many key markets," GM said.
"But bankruptcy protection is not an option GM is considering. Bankruptcy would not be in the interests of our employees, stockholders, suppliers or customers."
Thanks for the update GM
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Funny that the former Enron CEO, Kenneth Lay, said similar things multiple times to calm investors and to assure them that Enron was headed in the right direction, right up to the day Enron imploded.
When sales are failing, revenues are falling, reserve funds are drying, and the banks start to call loans, I wonder what other option(s) GM has ?
When sales are failing, revenues are falling, reserve funds are drying, and the banks start to call loans, I wonder what other option(s) GM has ?
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They need bankruptcy. Then they can work something out to get rid of the union and their sweet deals that are costing them soo much.
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This is very unfortunate, but Chapter 11 is the only way out for GM to get out of this mess.
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2008 World Economic Crisis Impact on Auto Industry news **600 Axed @ Aston (page 1)**
GM sales plunge 45% while Ford's and Toyota's October sales also tumble as industry braces for the lowest number of sales since 1992.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The nation's top automakers all reported another month of sharply lower sales Monday, kicking off a series of October reports that are expected to show the worst industrywide auto sales in 16 years.
General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) reported that its U.S. sales plunged 45% in the month, worse than the forecast of a 41% drop from industry sales tracker Edmunds.com. Unlike some of its rivals, its sales even fell from what were weak levels in September.
GM pointed to the crisis in credit markets, which it said made it much more difficult for buyers to get the loans they wanted to buy cars.
"We are obviously disappointed in our results, which reflect a difficult comparison with a strong year-ago October performance," said Mark LaNeve, the GM vice president in charge of sales in North America.
"More importantly, it also reflects an unprecedented credit crunch that is dramatically impacting the entire U.S. economy," he added.
Ford (F, Fortune 500) sales were down 30% from a year earlier, including the company's Volvo unit in the sales total.
While that was a bit better than the 35% drop forecast by sales tracker Edmunds.com, it marked the 11th straight month that Ford's sales fell from year-earlier levels.
Sales were also up slightly from September, which was the weakest month for the company since January 1982.
Toyota Motor, which is now the No. 2 automaker in terms of U.S. sales, posted a 23% decline from year-earlier levels. That was far worse than the 16% drop forecast by Edmunds. This was the tenth time in the past eleven months that sales fell from a year ago.
Although gasoline prices eased during the month, tight credit and plunging consumer confidence kept potential buyers out of dealer showrooms. The declining sales were felt across all categories of autos at all three companies.
GM reported that sales of light trucks, which includes pickups and sports utility vehicles (SUVs), plunged 51%, while car sales tumbled 34% compared to a year ago.
Ford posted a year-over-year decline in sales for virtually every model it offers. The only two exceptions were the Lincoln Town Car and the Ford Flex, a newly-introduced crossover vehicle.
For its core Ford, Lincoln and Mercury brands, sales of SUVs plummeted 54% from a year ago and crossover sales were off 39%. Sales of trucks and vans declined 19% while sales of cars fell 27% from a year earlier.
Toyota reported similar trends, with sales of light truck models falling more than 33% from year-earlier levels. Sales of cars dropped 16%.
Sales tracker Edmunds.com is forecasting that total U.S. auto sales will be down 29%. The remaining automakers will report their results later Monday.
Experts are worried that the weak sales and tight credit could cause the U.S. automakers to run out of cash as soon as 2009. While Ford has more cash on hand that its U.S. rivals, it is forecast to report a much larger third quarter loss than it did year ago when it releases results Friday.
Chrysler LLC is expected to post a 38% drop at its three brands. Asian automakers are expected to join Toyota in posting much lower sales as well: Edmunds.com is predicting drops of 17% for Honda Motor (HMC) and 29% for Nissan (NSANY) from year-earlier levels.
Chrysler has reportedly held talks with GM as well as with the Nissan-Renault alliance about a possible merger with one of those automakers. But those talks are reportedly on hold. There has been talk that GM is seeking a loan from the Treasury Department in order to help finance a deal for Chrysler.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/03/news...ion=2008110313
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The nation's top automakers all reported another month of sharply lower sales Monday, kicking off a series of October reports that are expected to show the worst industrywide auto sales in 16 years.
General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) reported that its U.S. sales plunged 45% in the month, worse than the forecast of a 41% drop from industry sales tracker Edmunds.com. Unlike some of its rivals, its sales even fell from what were weak levels in September.
GM pointed to the crisis in credit markets, which it said made it much more difficult for buyers to get the loans they wanted to buy cars.
"We are obviously disappointed in our results, which reflect a difficult comparison with a strong year-ago October performance," said Mark LaNeve, the GM vice president in charge of sales in North America.
"More importantly, it also reflects an unprecedented credit crunch that is dramatically impacting the entire U.S. economy," he added.
Ford (F, Fortune 500) sales were down 30% from a year earlier, including the company's Volvo unit in the sales total.
While that was a bit better than the 35% drop forecast by sales tracker Edmunds.com, it marked the 11th straight month that Ford's sales fell from year-earlier levels.
Sales were also up slightly from September, which was the weakest month for the company since January 1982.
Toyota Motor, which is now the No. 2 automaker in terms of U.S. sales, posted a 23% decline from year-earlier levels. That was far worse than the 16% drop forecast by Edmunds. This was the tenth time in the past eleven months that sales fell from a year ago.
Although gasoline prices eased during the month, tight credit and plunging consumer confidence kept potential buyers out of dealer showrooms. The declining sales were felt across all categories of autos at all three companies.
GM reported that sales of light trucks, which includes pickups and sports utility vehicles (SUVs), plunged 51%, while car sales tumbled 34% compared to a year ago.
Ford posted a year-over-year decline in sales for virtually every model it offers. The only two exceptions were the Lincoln Town Car and the Ford Flex, a newly-introduced crossover vehicle.
For its core Ford, Lincoln and Mercury brands, sales of SUVs plummeted 54% from a year ago and crossover sales were off 39%. Sales of trucks and vans declined 19% while sales of cars fell 27% from a year earlier.
Toyota reported similar trends, with sales of light truck models falling more than 33% from year-earlier levels. Sales of cars dropped 16%.
Sales tracker Edmunds.com is forecasting that total U.S. auto sales will be down 29%. The remaining automakers will report their results later Monday.
Experts are worried that the weak sales and tight credit could cause the U.S. automakers to run out of cash as soon as 2009. While Ford has more cash on hand that its U.S. rivals, it is forecast to report a much larger third quarter loss than it did year ago when it releases results Friday.
Chrysler LLC is expected to post a 38% drop at its three brands. Asian automakers are expected to join Toyota in posting much lower sales as well: Edmunds.com is predicting drops of 17% for Honda Motor (HMC) and 29% for Nissan (NSANY) from year-earlier levels.
Chrysler has reportedly held talks with GM as well as with the Nissan-Renault alliance about a possible merger with one of those automakers. But those talks are reportedly on hold. There has been talk that GM is seeking a loan from the Treasury Department in order to help finance a deal for Chrysler.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/03/news...ion=2008110313
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Just hang in there...
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Update: No longer 16 years...NOW WORST IN 25 YEARS!
Auto sales set to be worst in 25 years
GM sales plunge 45% while sales for Ford and Asian rivals also tumble as industry braces for the lowest sales pace since 1983.
oof!
GM sales plunge 45% while sales for Ford and Asian rivals also tumble as industry braces for the lowest sales pace since 1983.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The nation's top automakers all reported another month of sharply lower sales Monday, issuing a series of October reports that are expected to show the worst industrywide auto sales in 25 years.
Although gas prices fell significantly during the course of the month, tight credit and bad economic news kept many potential buyers on the sidelines.
Mark LaNeve, the General Motors vice president in charge of sales in North America, said that when adjusted for population growth, October is likely to represent the worst month for U.S. auto sales overall since the end of World War II.
While final industrywide sales were not yet available, the seasonally-adjusted annual sales rate was poised to be below 11 million for the first time since 1983. By way of comparison, this figure was 16 million a year ago.
"Unless you had to purchase a vehicle, it was wait and see for most consumers," said David Lucas, vice president of sales tracker Autodata. "People are holding onto their money because they're unsure what the future holds."
But the CEO of auto industry sales tracker Edmunds.com said there is some hope that October may be as bad as it gets.
"The data suggests that the market hit bottom between Sept. 15 and Oct 15," said Edmunds.com CEO Jeremy Anwyl. "We can anticipate more fluctuations through the election and the holidays, but It is reasonable to assume that there is some degree of pent-up demand building."
General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) is reported the larger drops among major automakers. Its U.S. sales plunged 45% in the month, worse than the forecast of a 41% drop from Edmunds.com. Unlike some of its rivals, its sales even fell from what were weak levels in September.
"We are obviously disappointed in our results, which reflect a difficult comparison with a strong year-ago October performance," said LaNeve. "More importantly, it also reflects an unprecedented credit crunch that is dramatically impacting the entire U.S. economy," he added.
It was the lowest sales total at GM since December 1970, a month that followed a strike that shut production at the nation's largest automaker.
But double-digit declines in sales were the norm, not the exception, across the industry.
Ford (F, Fortune 500) sales were down 30% from a year earlier, including the company's Volvo unit in the sales total.
While that was a bit better than the 35% drop forecast by sales tracker Edmunds.com, it marked the 11th straight month that Ford's sales fell from year-earlier levels.
Sales were also up slightly from September, which was the weakest month for the company since January 1982.
Toyota Motor (TM), which is now the No. 2 automaker in terms of U.S. sales, posted a 23% decline from year-earlier levels. That was far worse than the 16% drop forecast by Edmunds.com. This was the tenth time in the past eleven months that its U.S. sales fell from a year ago.
The declining sales were felt across all categories of autos at all three companies.
GM reported that sales of light trucks, which includes pickups and sports utility vehicles (SUVs), plunged 51%, while car sales tumbled 34% compared to a year ago.
Ford posted a year-over-year decline in sales for virtually every model it offers. The only two exceptions were the Lincoln Town Car and the Ford Flex, a newly-introduced crossover vehicle.
For its core Ford, Lincoln and Mercury brands, sales of SUVs plummeted 54% from a year ago and crossover sales were off 39%. Sales of trucks and vans declined 19% while sales of cars fell 27% from a year earlier.
Toyota reported similar trends, with sales of light truck models falling more than 33% from year-earlier levels. Sales of cars dropped 16%.
Chrysler LLC, which includes the Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep brands, posted a 35% drop in sales and was one of the few automakers to report a drop in sales from September.
As bad as Chrysler's sales were, they were a bit better than the 38% decline forecast by Edmunds.com. The sales were also enough for Chrysler to hold off Honda Motor and remain the No. 4 automaker in terms of U.S. sales.
Honda Motor (HMC) and Nissan (NSANY) also posted sharp drops in sales from year-earlier levels: Honda sales fell 25% and sales at Nissan plunged 33%. Both were worse than Edmunds.com's forecasts.
Experts are worried that the weak sales and tight credit could cause the U.S. automakers to run out of cash as soon as 2009. While Ford has more cash on hand that its U.S. rivals, it is forecast to report a much larger third quarter loss than it did year ago when it releases results Friday.
Chrysler has reportedly held talks with GM as well as with the Nissan-Renault alliance about a possible merger with one of those automakers. But those talks are reportedly on hold. There has been talk that GM is seeking a loan from the Treasury Department in order to help finance a deal for Chrysler
Although gas prices fell significantly during the course of the month, tight credit and bad economic news kept many potential buyers on the sidelines.
Mark LaNeve, the General Motors vice president in charge of sales in North America, said that when adjusted for population growth, October is likely to represent the worst month for U.S. auto sales overall since the end of World War II.
While final industrywide sales were not yet available, the seasonally-adjusted annual sales rate was poised to be below 11 million for the first time since 1983. By way of comparison, this figure was 16 million a year ago.
"Unless you had to purchase a vehicle, it was wait and see for most consumers," said David Lucas, vice president of sales tracker Autodata. "People are holding onto their money because they're unsure what the future holds."
But the CEO of auto industry sales tracker Edmunds.com said there is some hope that October may be as bad as it gets.
"The data suggests that the market hit bottom between Sept. 15 and Oct 15," said Edmunds.com CEO Jeremy Anwyl. "We can anticipate more fluctuations through the election and the holidays, but It is reasonable to assume that there is some degree of pent-up demand building."
General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) is reported the larger drops among major automakers. Its U.S. sales plunged 45% in the month, worse than the forecast of a 41% drop from Edmunds.com. Unlike some of its rivals, its sales even fell from what were weak levels in September.
"We are obviously disappointed in our results, which reflect a difficult comparison with a strong year-ago October performance," said LaNeve. "More importantly, it also reflects an unprecedented credit crunch that is dramatically impacting the entire U.S. economy," he added.
It was the lowest sales total at GM since December 1970, a month that followed a strike that shut production at the nation's largest automaker.
But double-digit declines in sales were the norm, not the exception, across the industry.
Ford (F, Fortune 500) sales were down 30% from a year earlier, including the company's Volvo unit in the sales total.
While that was a bit better than the 35% drop forecast by sales tracker Edmunds.com, it marked the 11th straight month that Ford's sales fell from year-earlier levels.
Sales were also up slightly from September, which was the weakest month for the company since January 1982.
Toyota Motor (TM), which is now the No. 2 automaker in terms of U.S. sales, posted a 23% decline from year-earlier levels. That was far worse than the 16% drop forecast by Edmunds.com. This was the tenth time in the past eleven months that its U.S. sales fell from a year ago.
The declining sales were felt across all categories of autos at all three companies.
GM reported that sales of light trucks, which includes pickups and sports utility vehicles (SUVs), plunged 51%, while car sales tumbled 34% compared to a year ago.
Ford posted a year-over-year decline in sales for virtually every model it offers. The only two exceptions were the Lincoln Town Car and the Ford Flex, a newly-introduced crossover vehicle.
For its core Ford, Lincoln and Mercury brands, sales of SUVs plummeted 54% from a year ago and crossover sales were off 39%. Sales of trucks and vans declined 19% while sales of cars fell 27% from a year earlier.
Toyota reported similar trends, with sales of light truck models falling more than 33% from year-earlier levels. Sales of cars dropped 16%.
Chrysler LLC, which includes the Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep brands, posted a 35% drop in sales and was one of the few automakers to report a drop in sales from September.
As bad as Chrysler's sales were, they were a bit better than the 38% decline forecast by Edmunds.com. The sales were also enough for Chrysler to hold off Honda Motor and remain the No. 4 automaker in terms of U.S. sales.
Honda Motor (HMC) and Nissan (NSANY) also posted sharp drops in sales from year-earlier levels: Honda sales fell 25% and sales at Nissan plunged 33%. Both were worse than Edmunds.com's forecasts.
Experts are worried that the weak sales and tight credit could cause the U.S. automakers to run out of cash as soon as 2009. While Ford has more cash on hand that its U.S. rivals, it is forecast to report a much larger third quarter loss than it did year ago when it releases results Friday.
Chrysler has reportedly held talks with GM as well as with the Nissan-Renault alliance about a possible merger with one of those automakers. But those talks are reportedly on hold. There has been talk that GM is seeking a loan from the Treasury Department in order to help finance a deal for Chrysler
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Honda sells MUCH MORE vehicles.... compare to Acura. Therefore, 6% increase in Acura sales isn't that significant for Honda....
Nonetheless, I'm very surprised. Which article did you read?
Nonetheless, I'm very surprised. Which article did you read?
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Update x2: MAKE THAT THE WORST MONTH IN 63 YEARS!!!!!
U.S. Auto Sales Tumble 32%, Paced by GM's 45% Slide (Update1)
Nov. 3 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. auto sales plummeted 32 percent in October in what General Motors Corp. called the worst month since 1945, as reduced access to loans and a weaker economy kept consumers off dealer lots.
Nov. 3 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. auto sales plummeted 32 percent in October in what General Motors Corp. called the worst month since 1945, as reduced access to loans and a weaker economy kept consumers off dealer lots.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...efer=worldwide
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In this economy unless you need a new car your not going to run out and buy one. I feel bad for all those people working at the dealers. It must be really hard for them.
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Mods need to update the 16 years in the title to 63 years.
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63 years....
#33
holy shit! bankruptcy might be ensuing after all.
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Bush won't let... oh wait. Bush is done.
The new president won't let them fall apart... probably...
The new president won't let them fall apart... probably...
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^^ Who is gonna help Toyota, Honda & Nissan?
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From AcuraNews.com
Acura Announces October Sales Results
TL Sales Up 22.2 Percent
Text Only Acura_Oct08_Sales.doc
TORRANCE, Calif. - 11/03/2008
In its first full month of sales, the all-new 2009 Acura TL is off to good start with October sales of 4,340, up 22.2 percent over October 2007 sales based on daily selling rate*. Month-to-date, Acura total car sales were 6,426, up 2.0 percent. Total Acura sales for October 2008 were 10,108, down 24.5 percent versus October 2007 sales.
"The TL has long been Acura's best-selling sedan and the all-new TL is continuing that trend," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of sales. "With bold new styling, two engine choices and the first-ever availability of Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™, the 2009 TL is the perfect vehicle to advance the Acura brand."
The new-for-2009 TSX was Acura's next best selling sedan with 1,844 sold in October followed by the RL luxury performance sedan with 272 sold. The MDX luxury SUV led Acura light truck sales with 3,005 sold while the turbocharged RDX crossover SUV tallied 647 units. Acura year-to-date** sales are 125,936 units, down 16.2 percent versus 2007 sales.
For media information and high-resolution photos of Acura vehicles, please visit www.acuranews.com. For consumer information, please visit www.acura.com.
*The daily selling rate is calculated with 27 selling days for October 2008 and 26 selling days for October 2007.
**Year-to-date sales based on 257 days for 2008 versus 256 days for 2007.
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Acura down 24%...oof!
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For Comparison
Lexus declined ~37% & Infiniti was down 28.6%.