Wheels comparo: TSX, A4 1.8T, MB C230K
10-28-2003, 02:46 PM
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I agree, if you absolutely have to have RWD, go with 325 or 330. Its a much better car overall than the C230 IMO. Better handling, acceleration, looks (subjective), reliability and I would think (but I could be wrong) resale value.
Devo, I have to ask you one question. If the TSX had 240 or more HP or came with the 3.0L V6 from the Accord, would you be driving one today or still be deciding on the C230 or 3 series?
Devo, I have to ask you one question. If the TSX had 240 or more HP or came with the 3.0L V6 from the Accord, would you be driving one today or still be deciding on the C230 or 3 series?
10-28-2003, 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Johns
Yes, its very confusing. 2002 AMG sways fit 2002 and 2003 C230s without modification. 2003 AMG sways changed the endlinks and require modification. Mine are the 2002 sways and fit with no modification.
The C230 coupe handled well with the stock sways, but had too much body lean for me. The AMG sways cleans up the handling without degrading the ride. The TSX in stock form has less body lean in corners than the C230 (IMO).
Yes, its very confusing. 2002 AMG sways fit 2002 and 2003 C230s without modification. 2003 AMG sways changed the endlinks and require modification. Mine are the 2002 sways and fit with no modification.
The C230 coupe handled well with the stock sways, but had too much body lean for me. The AMG sways cleans up the handling without degrading the ride. The TSX in stock form has less body lean in corners than the C230 (IMO).
10-28-2003, 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by gilboman
i thought Benz had free service too...b/c my friend brought her SLK in for "free" brake pads and rotors during the summer before the warranty or that mainatance thing ran out...
i thought Benz had free service too...b/c my friend brought her SLK in for "free" brake pads and rotors during the summer before the warranty or that mainatance thing ran out...
10-28-2003, 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by gilboman
i didnt know the steering was different...but you dont need to drive 9/10 to feel the difference, every time you turn the wheel and are stepping on the gas you feel it..from 3/10 all the way to 9/10 or even 10/10
i dont see how anyone who likes to drive can't feel the difference...heck, even my mom does between FWD and RWD...but she describes it as just turn better and faster
i didnt know the steering was different...but you dont need to drive 9/10 to feel the difference, every time you turn the wheel and are stepping on the gas you feel it..from 3/10 all the way to 9/10 or even 10/10
i dont see how anyone who likes to drive can't feel the difference...heck, even my mom does between FWD and RWD...but she describes it as just turn better and faster
10-28-2003, 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by DEVO
That's in the running as well.
That's in the running as well.
10-28-2003, 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by domn
I agree, if you absolutely have to have RWD, go with 325 or 330. Its a much better car overall than the C230 IMO. Better handling, acceleration, looks (subjective), reliability and I would think (but I could be wrong) resale value.
Devo, I have to ask you one question. If the TSX had 240 or more HP or came with the 3.0L V6 from the Accord, would you be driving one today or still be deciding on the C230 or 3 series?
I agree, if you absolutely have to have RWD, go with 325 or 330. Its a much better car overall than the C230 IMO. Better handling, acceleration, looks (subjective), reliability and I would think (but I could be wrong) resale value.
Devo, I have to ask you one question. If the TSX had 240 or more HP or came with the 3.0L V6 from the Accord, would you be driving one today or still be deciding on the C230 or 3 series?
For me I didn't buy C230K beacuse it was a sporty car. I bought it because I wanted first class treatment from dealer. I wanted some features that other cars don't offer such as power steering wheel adjustment with memory or infrared key. Best of all it fits my requirement of good looking sedan with enough interior space. The only other car that I consider really hard was Saab 9-3.
10-28-2003, 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by WhoAmI
For me I didn't buy C230K beacuse it was a sporty car. I bought it because I wanted first class treatment from dealer. I wanted some features that other cars don't offer such as power steering wheel adjustment with memory or infrared key. Best of all it fits my requirement of good looking sedan with enough interior space. The only other car that I consider really hard was Saab 9-3.
For me I didn't buy C230K beacuse it was a sporty car. I bought it because I wanted first class treatment from dealer. I wanted some features that other cars don't offer such as power steering wheel adjustment with memory or infrared key. Best of all it fits my requirement of good looking sedan with enough interior space. The only other car that I consider really hard was Saab 9-3.
10-28-2003, 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by legendguy
Gilboman on the TL:
What car mags are you quoting?? As far as I know there have not been any comparison tests with G35 or 3 series (BTW- a more fair comparison would be G35, 5 series , versus TL in terms of passenger space the car has to haul around. You could also throw in the A6 and the Lexus GS for good measure.
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edmunds and Car and driver.
"Although we found it to be an easy car to drive aggressively, we're not ready to call it an equal of the 3 or 5 Series, A4 or G35 in terms of handling. The Acura's front-drive layout is limiting from an enthusiast's point of view, but even less serious drivers are apt to notice that the TL floats and bobs over the occasional bump"
basically they all say its not bad for a 3500 lb+ nose heavy car..but it's not close to being a G35, 3-series or even A4 in handling and dynamics.
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Gilboman: I think I will wait for an actual comparison review which I would hope would include the TL, G35, BMW5, GS300, A6, S60R. I think the Edmunds Review (First Drive: Acura TL 2004) is a little more favorable when you include the sentence before and the sentence after your quote:
"As we drove our TL prototype on various back roads, it did indeed feel tight around the turns with plenty of road information transferred to the driver seat. Although we found it to be an easy car to drive aggressively, we're not ready to call it an equal of the 3 or 5 Series, A4 or G35 in terms of handling. The Acura's front-drive layout is limiting from an enthusiast's point of view, but even less serious drivers are apt to notice that the TL floats and bobs over the occasional bump. This won't be a disadvantage for most people, and the payoff is excellent ride comfort when cruising on the highway."
I think I would be willing to give up a little handling if the car offers excellent ride comfort. Another's preference might be different though. My .02.
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Originally posted by legendguy
Gilboman on the TL:
What car mags are you quoting?? As far as I know there have not been any comparison tests with G35 or 3 series (BTW- a more fair comparison would be G35, 5 series , versus TL in terms of passenger space the car has to haul around. You could also throw in the A6 and the Lexus GS for good measure.
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edmunds and Car and driver.
"Although we found it to be an easy car to drive aggressively, we're not ready to call it an equal of the 3 or 5 Series, A4 or G35 in terms of handling. The Acura's front-drive layout is limiting from an enthusiast's point of view, but even less serious drivers are apt to notice that the TL floats and bobs over the occasional bump"
basically they all say its not bad for a 3500 lb+ nose heavy car..but it's not close to being a G35, 3-series or even A4 in handling and dynamics.
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Gilboman: I think I will wait for an actual comparison review which I would hope would include the TL, G35, BMW5, GS300, A6, S60R. I think the Edmunds Review (First Drive: Acura TL 2004) is a little more favorable when you include the sentence before and the sentence after your quote:
"As we drove our TL prototype on various back roads, it did indeed feel tight around the turns with plenty of road information transferred to the driver seat. Although we found it to be an easy car to drive aggressively, we're not ready to call it an equal of the 3 or 5 Series, A4 or G35 in terms of handling. The Acura's front-drive layout is limiting from an enthusiast's point of view, but even less serious drivers are apt to notice that the TL floats and bobs over the occasional bump. This won't be a disadvantage for most people, and the payoff is excellent ride comfort when cruising on the highway."
I think I would be willing to give up a little handling if the car offers excellent ride comfort. Another's preference might be different though. My .02.
10-29-2003, 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by WhoAmI
What you are refering to is the wear and tear warranty. It last 2 years in canada and covers things like brake pads, rotors and bulbs etc.
What you are refering to is the wear and tear warranty. It last 2 years in canada and covers things like brake pads, rotors and bulbs etc.
10-29-2003, 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by gilboman
so all you pay for is oil changes then?? that's not too bad..i think an oil change runs about 75cdn..but the vacume your car and you get a courtsey car to beat around as well..great fun.
so all you pay for is oil changes then?? that's not too bad..i think an oil change runs about 75cdn..but the vacume your car and you get a courtsey car to beat around as well..great fun.
11-03-2003, 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by domn
I agree, if you absolutely have to have RWD, go with 325 or 330. Its a much better car overall than the C230 IMO. Better handling, acceleration, looks (subjective), reliability and I would think (but I could be wrong) resale value.
Devo, I have to ask you one question. If the TSX had 240 or more HP or came with the 3.0L V6 from the Accord, would you be driving one today or still be deciding on the C230 or 3 series?
I agree, if you absolutely have to have RWD, go with 325 or 330. Its a much better car overall than the C230 IMO. Better handling, acceleration, looks (subjective), reliability and I would think (but I could be wrong) resale value.
Devo, I have to ask you one question. If the TSX had 240 or more HP or came with the 3.0L V6 from the Accord, would you be driving one today or still be deciding on the C230 or 3 series?
Now that the TL is out... price is in the same ball park as the other 2 but again no RWD or AWD!!!! It would be a no brainer for me to go with the TSX or TL if that were the case. Honda fan at heart.
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