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Polestar: 2 News

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The Polestar 2 electric car will have a claimed 400 horsepower and a range of 350 miles, Polestar COO Jonathan Goodman confirmed last week at the Goodwood Festival of Speed.

According to Goodman, who spoke to Autocar about the new brand’s new planned lineup, the Polestar 2 will be the automaker’s entry-level car and Tesla Model 3 competitor.

Along with its around-400 hp and 350-mile range, Goodman also revealed the Polestar 2 will be priced around $40,000 to $66,000, and will be introduced shortly after the 2019 production start of the Polestar 1.

Goodman also had some advice to the other automakers diving into the EV game with flashy, futuristic and mostly-ugly designs, speaking to Autocar:

“Other brands may be doing that, but if we’re looking at a market worth 30m cars within seven years, it isn’t going to be niche, it’s going to be mainstream. So you just design a great-looking car – not one with a big blue flash down the side.”

In contrast to the cultish following that rival brand Tesla has attracted, Goodman also wants Polestar to have an inclusive attitude towards its customers.“I think it’s very dangerous for brands like ours to sit here and ask ‘what’s our type of customer?’”, he went on. “Electric cars will be just as appealing to young executives as they are to retirees. It’s a new market, and purchase intentions will vary. So we’ve got to be a welcoming brand that’s not geeky, cliquey or judgmental.”
That approach may actually make sense. The Camry and F-150 didn’t become the titans they are because they looked wild or had particularly powerful performance or anything like that. They’re just good cars, and that’s the business Polestar is looking to be in.
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Volvo is giving the world a glimpse at the Polestar 2, its first battery-electric car, promising 400 hp and approximately 300 miles of range when it goes on sale. Due to enter production in 2020, the Polestar 2 will be a four-door fastback sedan offered at the Tesla Model 3 price range, according to Volvo.

Polestar, you will recall, has had an interesting journey. It began as an outside tuning and racing company, was later purchased by Volvo outright as an AMG-style in-house tuner and was finally (and somewhat controversially) turned into Volvo's hybrid and EV sub-brand. The first vehicle of the refocused Polestar brand, dubbed Polestar 1, will be a pricey plug-in hybrid luxury coupe and will enter production later this year. Polestar 2, however, will be an EV aiming at the middle of the EV price range currently occupied, at least for the moment, by the Tesla Model 3, pending the arrival of several competitors.

Does this mean that the Polestar 2 will start at $35,000, or rather $33,000, given this week's Tesla price cut? This seems unlikely -- Volvo has indicated that the Polestar 2 might start around $50,000. The automaker also plans to offer the Polestar 2 on a subscription as well as cash sales basis, with the former intended to be a more premium version of the Care by Volvo program.

Still, the Polestar 2 is meant to be a premium sedan, so it won't compete with the likes of the Nissan Leaf or Chevrolet Bolt, opting for a more luxurious interior along with a greater range.
Another item that Volvo is promising in the Polestar 2 is the world debut of Google Android HMI and the debut of the in-car variant of Google Assistant.

It remains to be seen whether Volvo will aim for the production volume of the Model 3 as well, but all indications suggest that it will be a somewhat more niche vehicle, with Volvo aiming to build about 60,000 units per year. It also remains to be seen whether the decision to sell these two vehicles as Polestars will pay off for the automaker: Volvo has great name recognition, while there are plenty of Volvo owners out there who haven't heard of Polestar. If there is one thing that Tesla has demonstrated very well, it is that brand recognition and cachet are very important in the luxury EV segment -- Polestar will be starting from scratch instead of using the well-known and well-liked Volvo name.





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The Polestar 2 Is Volvo's Electric Mass-Produced Shot At Tesla





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Not sure about the wheels, but it's certainly better looking (both inside and out) than the Model 3.
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Chinese money (Geely) clearly aiming for the Chinese (PRC) market for EVs ....
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I'd buy it over the Tesla simply because it has a gauge cluster though Volvo reliability is questionable already, a new electric powertrain probably won't make it better.
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+1 on the gauge cluster. Who wants to look at an iPad on steroids while driving? Not me.

Also, wish the ride-height were lower. Why does it have to look so "trucky"? Oh yeah, quality of roads in China is ... variable ....
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Looks good, except the XC ride height.
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April 23, 2020—Polestar announced the starting price of the Polestar 2 as $59,900. That, of course, does not include all of the tax incentives offered in the U.S. The Volvo sub-brand also released the price of a few options on the Polestar 2: Performance pack, $5,000; Napa leather interior, $4,000; 20-inch wheels, $1,200; Metallic paints, $1,200.

Folks with a reservation can expect their cars to arrive in the summer. Polestar uses a digital marketplace, but it does plan to open "Polestar Spaces," a dealership, of sorts, to allow folks to try product out. The first three spaces will open on the West Coast and New York. Polestar will sell in all 50 states, however. —Robin Warner

Volvo's Polestar EV and hybrid sub-brand is rolling ahead with the debut of its first mass-market electric sedan: Production of the inventively named Polestar 2 EV began this week in Luqiao, China, and the first examples of the electric sedan will be headed to Europe.

That's right: The Tesla Model 3 challenger is going into production this very week, as China continues reopening its car factories and dealerships.

"The world is facing enormous upheaval in the face of the coronavirus pandemic," said Polestar CEO Thomas Ingenlath. "We start production now under these challenging circumstances with a strong focus on the health and safety of our people. This is a great achievement and the result of huge efforts from the staff in the factory and the team securing the supply chain. I have a huge amount of respect for the entire team—thanks to them!"

The Polestar 2 will aim to take on the Tesla Model 3 with a range of about 275 miles and a 78-kWh battery, landing a bit south of the EPA-rated 310-mile range of the Tesla Model 3. The dual-motor version will go into production first as the Launch Edition and will serve up 408 hp and 487 lb-ft of torque, good for sprints from 0-62 mph in less than five seconds.
Just like Tesla, Polestar will focus on the fully loaded variant of the model first in its production cycle, offering the dual-motor Launch Edition variant with a starting price of $63,000 for the first 12 months. Later on, a $55,000 version of the sedan will go on sale, still with two motors, and only then will Polestar produce even less expensive variants of the EV, one of which could be a single-motor version.

As photos of the production version have shown, the look of the Polestar 2 sedan is very Volvo-like. It shares its platform with the Volvo XC40 and one Lynk & Co model—both automakers are owned by Geely. The five-door fastback looks like a smaller, boxier version of Volvo's S60 sedan, sitting visually higher thanks to black plastic cladding around the wheelarches. The front and rear fascias, meanwhile, are lifted pretty much directly from Volvo's sketchbook, and this goes for the "Thor's hammer" element in the headlights, as well. Once it lands here, we expect that even those who do not know what it is to identify it as a Volvo on the street—the resemblance is that close.

Just when will we see the Polestar 2 on the road? The automaker plans to start deliveries in the summer, with the electric sedan first landing in Europe, then China and then the U.S.
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Looks good. Will Polestar be using Volvo dealerships or purely online as in Tesla?
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That was a slam dunk IMO . But I give them credit for a really nice interior. The Chinese ownership is a heartbreaker though. Does polestar sell through dealerships or online?
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For some of us, it’s easy to get excited about new EVs, even if they’re nothing too fancy, fast or mold-breaking. We can easily forgive a Bolt its hum-drum interior, the Kona Electric its oddness or the Model 3 its panel gaps. So when a new EV comes along that is completely fresh inside and out, with outside-the-box stylishness, mercifully user-friendly tech and excellent driving dynamics, it puts those other EVs we thought we loved in a new light.

The exterior looks don’t resonate with everyone’s personal taste, but it’s a successful execution, either way. The body is big and blocky, which reads as indubitably muscular, with a slim greenhouse perched atop the high beltline. There’s no frilliness here — no chrome, no swoopy fender flares, obnoxious spoilers, diffusers, splitters or lines for the sake of lines. Even the graphics are very subdued, with a body-color Polestar logo on the nose and trunk. The world “Polestar” appears in tiny print inside the headlight module, and on minuscule (removable) decals at the bottom of the front doors, where battery capacity and power (in kilowatts) are also listed. If you like Swedish minimalism in a broody mood, lock narrowed eyes with the Polestar 2 and soak it in.
Inside, our tester looks slick and savvy. We’re instantly in love with not only the design, but also the material choices. A Nappa leather option is available, but the vegan interior would be what we’d pick. High-quality “Weavetech” fabric adorns the seats, of course, but the thick strip extending across the dash behind the 11-inch infotainment touchscreen is what holds our eye. It’s a bold choice to showcase a material in such a way, but, with the help of the accompanying recycled black ash wood trim, the Polestar 2 pulls it off successfully. We see few of the 13 Harman Kardon speakers, as most are hidden behind fabric. The bright gold seatbelts contrast the otherwise Stygian cabin. The giant, shadeless, tinted glass roof was hard to notice from the exterior, but it’s unmissable when you sit inside. It all puts us in the mood to drive — fast.



Pulling out onto the road and slinking past the railroad tracks like a stray cat on the hunt, the electric pulse of the turn signal sets our own heartbeat to quickening. We skulk our way out of town quietly to find an open stretch of curving road. The accelerator feels natural in town — not muted, but one can tell it serves as a dam behind which a fury of electrons it waiting to be released. We start our turn onto a familiar road and roll into the right pedal. The Continental SportContact6 rubber bites the pavement, gives just the faintest of mews, and we plow our foot to the floor as the finish our turn.

Our guts meet our spine, and our eyeballs just begin to feel like they’re floating in our head as the Polestar 2’s twin electric motors motivate all four wheels with a demanding whine. We’re experiencing the majority of the car’s 408 horsepower and 487 pound-feet of torque. With no shifts, there’s no relenting to the force until power tapers at higher rpm. Polestar claims a 0-60-mile-per-hour time of 4.45 seconds, but unless you’re actually counting, it feels faster, especially when your glasses fly off the top of your head. We’re a dark blur, man and machine, a sinister dyad cutting a path between green fields under a blue and white sky.

The Polestar quickly sorts itself as an electric performance machine. It’s an aquavit-infused answer to the traditional muscle sedan, but with no tailpipe emissions. It uses two 204-horsepower electric motors — one at each axle — giving it all-wheel drive and 487 pound-feet of instant torque. It’s liquid-cooled battery pack provides 75 kilowatt-hours of useable capacity (actual capacity is 78 kWh), providing an expected EPA range figure in the mid-200-mile ballpark. Our tester has the Performance Package, a $5,000 option adding Brembo four-piston brake calipers and drilled rotors, 20-inch lightweight alloy wheels wrapped in the aforementioned Continental rubber, and manually adjustable Öhlins dampers.



Acceleration rips are a fine warm-up, but the twistier the road gets, the more fun this car is. With all-wheel drive, a 51/49 front/rear weight distribution, low center of gravity and effective brake-based torque vectoring, the Polestar 2 pulls itself through an aggressive corner with minimal understeer, and just the right amount of audible communication from the tires. With its Öhlins dampers set in the middle of their 22 firmness settings, it’s mostly compliant, but a bit on the hard side when you hit a bump mid-corner.

There aren’t pre-programmed drive modes, but there are a number of settings adjustable within the infotainment system. The electric power steering has three modes of feel — we favored firm. You can turn the stability control off. Then there are two EV-specific settings. The “One pedal drive” setting can be put to normal — which does, in fact, allow you to do most driving without touching the brake pedal — low for less regen feel, or off if you prefer to coast like a boring old internal combustion car. Finally, you can turn creep on or off, to make it move forward slowly when your foot is off the brakes or not.

The Polestar 2 is, notably, the first car to implement Google’s Android Automotive Operating System. The result is an infotainment user interface that’s robust, sleek, connected and a lot easier to use than Volvo’s Sensus system. Your author, an Android novice, was quickly enamored with it. It uses Google Maps navigation, Google Play for accessing third-party apps, and Google assistant for voice commands. The latter is particularly impressive, easily recognizing commands spoken in natural language much better than Apple’s Siri or most OEM systems. Not that we ever got bored driving the Polestar, but if we did, we could spend hours asking Google about basically anything. Die-hard Apple users can enjoy wireless CarPlay when it’s added via an over-the-air update early next year.



The digital dash puts the most important information right in front of you on a crisp screen, which helps mitigate any hurt feelings over the omission of a head-up display (and makes us feel perfectly content that we’re not in a Tesla Model 3). The Polestar 2 borrows its Pilot Assist suite of advanced driver assistance features from Volvo. This includes adaptive cruise control with lane keeping assist, functions that worked well during our non-rush-hour highway drive. We didn’t have to put the numerous active or passive safety features to the test, but it’s assuring to know that the Polestar 2 inherits technology from Volvo’s decades as an industry leader in safety. Finally, the Polestar will allow you to use your phone as a key, a small mercy to our overstuffed pockets.

The Polestar 2 starts at a base price of $61,200 (including $1,300 destination) for the Launch Edition, which is the only edition for its first model year. That includes the Pilot (driver assist) and Plus (luxury) packages. The Performance package costs another $5,000. All but the “Void” black exterior color ask another $1,200, and the Nappa leather interior costs $4,000. If you want to upgrade from 19- to 20-inch wheels without the Performance pack, that’s a $1,200 option. It is eligible for the full $7,500 EV tax credit in the United States.

The first U.S.-bound Polestar 2s are on boats heading to ports, with deliveries beginning in late September. After spending a few hours practicing harmless dark magics with this all-electric, no-nonsense phantom, we only wish one of those was destined for our garage. Simply put, it satisfies the important needs — performance, design, and technology — without stuffing any unasked-for features down our throats. It’s Swedish minimalism at its best, in both form and function. The only thing for which the Polestar 2 leaves us wanting more is seat time.
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I had a chance to sit in one at the popup store in SF a couple days ago. No test drives available yet (they said they're waiting on the press cars to be returned).

The interior and build quality is far and away superior to that of the Model 3. While the Model 3 minimalism just makes it feel cheap and spartan, this minimalist design is very Scandinavian. Probably helps that they raided the Volvo parts bin quite a bin. The steering wheel looks like it's lifted straight out of the XC40, and the window switches, control stalks, door handles, shifter mechanism, vent controls, etc. are the same as the ones in my Volvo.

The Model 3 might be a better computer and better on tech, but just sitting in the two, the Polestar 2 feels like it's a better car. I will say though, the Model 3 is larger and roomier. The Polestar 2 is built on the CMA platform that the 40-series Volvos are based on, so I guess that's to be expected.

Can't wait to get a chance to test drive it to see how it stacks up.
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Yeah. Polestar is introducing “stop-start technology” in their EVs much sooner than anticipated.
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I wonder if these companies are intentionally doing the most conservative EPA range test because they really don't want to sell a lot of these cars because they're making very little money if any on them? Maybe they're intentionally sandbagging the range on the first models until they can cut costs enough to be profitable and then they'll start using more accurate range tests.

If range is the most important stat for an EV and I was shopping for an EV and saw 233mi for 322mi, I think many would just immediately disqualify the Polestar because it costs $60k and has such poor range.

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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
If range is the most important stat for an EV.
It's unlikely to be, for most folks.
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It's unlikely to be, for most folks.
It's not that important. Around town, range is almost meaningless. 200 miles covers the average daily commute and a NEMA 14-50 can charge an EV to "full" over night.

For road trips, the only things that matter are infrastructure and charging curve. Range is not as meaningful at this point.

Let me explain: The best way to road trip an EV is to only charge at peak charging speeds (for a Model 3, that is between 11% and 45%) and then drive on to the next charger. This leads to more frequent but far shorter stops. Charging a Tesla from 60-80% is super wasteful as Tesla's charging curve leads to much slower charge times in that range. The Audi E-Tron, despite its longer range, charges at a very high speed at as high as 75% of the pack. That means you get more miles faster than the equivalent Tesla. Of course, this is depending on the availability of chargers, which the Audi obviously has fewer from which to choose.

So as Electrify America grows, which they will, the E-Tron's lead on road tripping will increases over Tesla overall. Plus, let's not kid ourselves, the E-Tron is an Audi, which means better interior, better fit and finish, and just an all around more comfortable drive.

The other question I have, because this really matters: does Polestar recommend only charging to 80%, or can you use the entire pack? My Model 3 has a 320ish mile range but I have never actually used it with that range. In all honesty, the actual range is around 260 miles.
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So the range is now set in stone for the Euro-Chinese aficionados. Got to compromise somewhere, so they compromised on range.
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Originally Posted by kurtatx
It's not that important. Around town, range is almost meaningless. 200 miles covers the average daily commute and a NEMA 14-50 can charge an EV to "full" over night.

For road trips, the only things that matter are infrastructure and charging curve. Range is not as meaningful at this point.

Let me explain: The best way to road trip an EV is to only charge at peak charging speeds (for a Model 3, that is between 11% and 45%) and then drive on to the next charger. This leads to more frequent but far shorter stops. Charging a Tesla from 60-80% is super wasteful as Tesla's charging curve leads to much slower charge times in that range. The Audi E-Tron, despite its longer range, charges at a very high speed at as high as 75% of the pack. That means you get more miles faster than the equivalent Tesla. Of course, this is depending on the availability of chargers, which the Audi obviously has fewer from which to choose.

So as Electrify America grows, which they will, the E-Tron's lead on road tripping will increases over Tesla overall. Plus, let's not kid ourselves, the E-Tron is an Audi, which means better interior, better fit and finish, and just an all around more comfortable drive.

The other question I have, because this really matters: does Polestar recommend only charging to 80%, or can you use the entire pack? My Model 3 has a 320ish mile range but I have never actually used it with that range. In all honesty, the actual range is around 260 miles.
A car with much superior high range obviously would have fewer stops as it can skip a few charging stations. It’s not rocket science.
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For DD duty, most current EVs would suffice for my daily [normal] commute of about 40 miles round-trip.
If I'm going any real distance, I'd have an ICE car for that purpose.
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A car with much superior high range obviously would have fewer stops as it can skip a few charging stations. It’s not rocket science.
It's actually far more complex than you think. You want to generate the most miles as fast as possible. Unless you can go the whole way on one charge or the range of one car is 2 to 3 times the range of the other, the charge curve is the primary driver of long range performance.

For a Tesla Model 3 (for what seems like the fortieth time), the peak charging range is between 10 and 50%. That means the road tripping range is approximately 140-160 miles. An E-Tron charges faster for longer. This means its usable charge range is actually larger than any Tesla at the moment.

Both a Tesla and an E-Tron or a Polestar have to go the same distance. It all comes down to charging time. The fact is, you're going to have to stop more often in a Tesla to keep up with the E-Tron due to differences in charging curve.

And look dude, I'm sorry, but I'm going to play this card all day. I own an EV and I did my research before buying one.
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This is the YouTube page for Tesla traveling tips. Kyle Connor is a brilliant, fair Tesla reviewer who currently holds the EV Cannonball record. His strategy is simple: You start your trip at 95% (this maintains the Regen characteristic). When you get below 10%, you charge to 50%ish and keep going. Ultimately, he only makes it to 80% if he and his girlfriend are having dinner or shopping on a road trip.

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Originally Posted by kurtatx
It's actually far more complex than you think. You want to generate the most miles as fast as possible. Unless you can go the whole way on one charge or the range of one car is 2 to 3 times the range of the other, the charge curve is the primary driver of long range performance.

For a Tesla Model 3 (for what seems like the fortieth time), the peak charging range is between 10 and 50%. That means the road tripping range is approximately 140-160 miles. An E-Tron charges faster for longer. This means its usable charge range is actually larger than any Tesla at the moment.

Both a Tesla and an E-Tron or a Polestar have to go the same distance. It all comes down to charging time. The fact is, you're going to have to stop more often in a Tesla to keep up with the E-Tron due to differences in charging curve.

And look dude, I'm sorry, but I'm going to play this card all day. I own an EV and I did my research before buying one.
The max charge rate of the etron is 150kw, the 3 is 250kw. Your research sucks.

Correcting Audi: Tesla Model 3 Charges Over 2 Times Faster Than Audi e-tron









Can this be true? Turns out, our estimate is spot on. User “Elbil24” published a video on YouTube charging the e-tron from 1% to 99% at a 175 kW rapid charger. For this charging session, it took exactly 36.7 minutes to charge from 20% to 98% (which corresponds to 160 miles on the EPA test cycle).


https://cleantechnica.com/2019/05/17...n-audi-e-tron/

Sorry, Audi, But Tesla Model 3 Crushes Audi e-tron In Fast Charging Times (Charts)


Following up on an analysis we published previously, a recent real-world DC charging test by Bjørn Nyland clearly shows the Tesla Model 3’s significant charging advantage over the Audi e-tron. Even on a CCS charger, which doesn’t take full advantage of the Tesla’s potential, the Model 3 performs much better. The Tesla Model 3 Long Range adds 179 miles (288 km) of highway range in 20 minutes, 61% more than the Audi e-tron’s 111 miles (179 km).




Put differently, the Tesla can drive for ~2 hours at highway speeds for each 15 minutes of charging (8:1 ratio), whereas the Audi can drive for ~2 hours for each 30 minutes of charging (4:1 ratio).


https://cleantechnica.com/2019/06/12...-times-charts/


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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
The max charge rate of the etron is 150kw, the 3 is 250kw. Your research sucks.

Correcting Audi: Tesla Model 3 Charges Over 2 Times Faster Than Audi e-tron









Can this be true? Turns out, our estimate is spot on. User “Elbil24” published a video on YouTube charging the e-tron from 1% to 99% at a 175 kW rapid charger. For this charging session, it took exactly 36.7 minutes to charge from 20% to 98% (which corresponds to 160 miles on the EPA test cycle).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1QIJk7jxow

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/05/17...n-audi-e-tron/

Sorry, Audi, But Tesla Model 3 Crushes Audi e-tron In Fast Charging Times (Charts)


Following up on an analysis we published previously, a recent real-world DC charging test by Bjørn Nyland clearly shows the Tesla Model 3’s significant charging advantage over the Audi e-tron. Even on a CCS charger, which doesn’t take full advantage of the Tesla’s potential, the Model 3 performs much better. The Tesla Model 3 Long Range adds 179 miles (288 km) of highway range in 20 minutes, 61% more than the Audi e-tron’s 111 miles (179 km).




Put differently, the Tesla can drive for ~2 hours at highway speeds for each 15 minutes of charging (8:1 ratio), whereas the Audi can drive for ~2 hours for each 30 minutes of charging (4:1 ratio).


https://cleantechnica.com/2019/06/12/sorry-audi-but-tesla-model-3-crushes-audi-e-tron-in-fast-charging-times-charts/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPrVZtzAqX4
Out of Tesla's entire super charger network, only approximately 200 of them can support >150 kW charging and they're almost all in major metros. On my trip to Richmond, VA next month, the only confirmed V3 supercharger on my route is in Nashville, TN.

Not useful. Take out the lack of V3 superchargers, and the Tesla curve is significantly worse. The vast majority of charging is under 150.

Again, I own the car, I'm taking it on a massive road trip.
Old 10-07-2020, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kurtatx
Out of Tesla's entire super charger network, only approximately 200 of them can support >150 kW charging and they're almost all in major metros. On my trip to Richmond, VA next month, the only confirmed V3 supercharger on my route is in Nashville, TN.

Not useful. Take out the lack of V3 superchargers, and the Tesla curve is significantly worse. The vast majority of charging is under 150.

Again, I own the car, I'm taking it on a massive road trip.
No.



Even the old V2 will give you more miles in less time.

Go on your road trip, then come back and tell me I'm right.
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Old 10-07-2020, 02:53 PM
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Now show me the time for 200 miles. 160 miles conveniently puts the model 3 right in the peak charging range

The V2s and V3s both drop off significantly after 160 miles from dead

Incomplete data is incomplete
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Still so silly you fanboys don't own one of these things.
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See oonowindo this is what it's like, everything debunking his next two posts were posted in the first post but he doesn't even read it and spews BS. At no point does the etron match the Tesla in charge rate of mile/hour.


Even if the etron could charge at 250kw that wouldn't translate into 1000mph charging rate because the etron vehicle is so inefficient compared to the Model 3. Since the model 3 can get 320mi on a 75kwh battery while the etron only gets 204mi on 95kwh battery a kwh of energy will carry the model 3 a lot further. You can talk about charging profile, and charge rate but the most important factor for a driver is how many miles they gain per minute while charging. The etron can have the fasting charging speed when measured in kw, and charge profile but if the etron has absolute doo doo garbage efficiency it doesn't matter. 204 mi/95kwh battery means the etron can travel 2.2 mi for every kwh of energy stored in the battery, the model 3 gets 320mi/74kwh = 4.3mi/kwh

4.3mi*250kw charge rate = 1075mph charge rate
4.3mi*150kw charge rate = 645mph charge rate
2.2mi*150kw charge rate = 330mph charge rate

So because of the etron's relative inefficiency they will have to charge longer if they want to travel the same distance. Looking at the charge rate over vehicle range graph shows the Tesla charging profile doesn't match the etron 330mph charge rate until after it's already added over 200mi range, by the time the etron gets to about 200 it's charging at around 150mph.

The etron only has 200mi range, you'd have to charge it to 100%, not a wise move try and get 200mi out of it, it'd be safer to pull over and charge when you were at 10-20% range. But you do you. Don't come in her and blame EVs when you get stranded because you decided to drive past a charging station then got caught in traffic, or a strong headwind and couldn't and ran out a couple miles before the next charging station because you wanted to get 200mi out of the etron.
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Old 10-07-2020, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
She etron only has 200mi range, you'd have to charge it to 100%, not a wise move try and get 200mi out of it, it'd be safer to pull over and charge when you were at 10-20% range. But you do you. Don't come in her and blame EVs when you get stranded because you decided to drive past a charging station then got caught in traffic, or a strong headwind and couldn't and ran out a couple miles before the next charging station because you wanted to get 200mi out of the etron.
E-Tron is designed to be charged to 100%. Audi deliberately only uses 85% of the pack to allow for you to charge to 100%.

It's fine. Your sources are mostly in the Tesla lobby.

I fucking love my car, but your anti-legacy attitude is a discredit to all EVs
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
See oonowindo this is what it's like, everything debunking his next two posts were posted in the first post but he doesn't even read it and spews BS. At no point does the etron match the Tesla in charge rate of mile/hour.
take it up with your therapist.
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another recall

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Originally Posted by biker
It's unlikely to be, for most folks.
It is


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Sandy likes the Polestar, still hates the ID.4


also Polestar has a 12v battery issue, another EV with this a 12v battery issue, supposedly they'll do another recall

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Saw my first Polestar 2 in person yesterday and I very much was not a fan. It just looked awkward with this weird combination of boxy and smooth lines...it's just too much. The other Volvos are amazing in appearance, the Polestar 2 is definitely not.
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Old 07-16-2021, 10:23 AM
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I saw 3 at a show earlier this year, 2 std models & 1 performance, and quite liked it.
Had I noticed them earlier, they were doing test drives.

But, Austin (3-4hrs away) is the closest dealer.

Also, at $60k MSRP starting (63-70k configured, performance pkg being about the only option), it's a non-starter for me.

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Just has this strange disproportionate faux SUV style thing going on. Eh, to each their own. I've always been a massive fan of Volvo design, this one isn't good though. IMO of course.
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