Volkswagen: Passat News
11-03-2003, 06:50 PM
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Looks nice, but how many people will pay $40k for that?
I think VW needs to rethink their brand image. I see VW as a brand of quirky cars that secretary's like to drive. I think the Phaeton looks very nice, but for $70k I'll get a S500 or an A8.
I think VW needs to rethink their brand image. I see VW as a brand of quirky cars that secretary's like to drive. I think the Phaeton looks very nice, but for $70k I'll get a S500 or an A8.
12-04-2003, 05:04 PM
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Volkswagen is about to unveil a new company face ? and it?s a carbon copy of the Concept-R roadster?s, shown at this aut?s Frankfurt Motor Show. The next-generation Passat, revealed today in our artist?s impressions, will be the first all-new model styled under the new design direction.
VW has gone back to the drawing board with its sixth-generation Passat, seeking better performance, improved dynamics, larger accommodation and more luxury.
Due to reach UK showrooms in April 2005, the new saloon is supposed to move the Passat upmarket. VW chairman Bernd Pischetsrieder plans for the new Passat to compete with the entry-level BMW 3-series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class, rather than the Ford Mondeo and Vauxhall Vectra.
A new platform, PQ46, uses a transversely mounted engine instead of today?s longitudinal layout. Suspension is by MacPherson front struts and a multilink arrangement at the rear.
But the main news will be VW?s distinctive new front-end design. Combined with smooth-surfaced body forms influenced by the Phaeton, it endows the next Passat with more shapely lines than today?s model.
Designed in-house under Peter Schreyer, the man responsible for the current Audi look, the new VW nose will be copied on all future models. ?The chrome grille, lamp forms and overall proportions are indicative of what to expect from Volkswagen in the next few years,? a design source told Autocar. ?We want to add greater emotion and elegance to our cars? styling.?
Alongside the saloon, VW is readying an estate for launch in July 2005, and the PQ46 platform will also be used for the new Sharan, due in 2006.
In size, the new Passat is barely altered from today?s car, at around 4750mm long, 1780mm wide and 1470mm high. However, the switch to transverse engines allows a shorter bonnet and a wheelbase extended by 20mm ? meaning a bigger cabin and almost 500 litres of boot space.VW hopes to match exterior style with cabin quality. Expect a two-tone dashboard, the latest soft mouldings and an array of electronic gizmos.
VW is ditching the existing V6 petrol and diesel engines, along with the unloved W8. Instead, UK buyers will be offered 150bhp naturally aspirated and 180bhp turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder units, as well as 240bhp naturally aspirated and 280bhp turbocharged 3.2-litre V6 engines ? all running FSI direct-injection for reduced fuel consumption. Naturally, there will also be four diesel engines. They include a 100bhp 1.9-litre, 115bhp and 136bhp versions of the new 2.0-litre four-cylinder and a 185bhp 2.5-litre five-cylinder with 332lb ft of torque.
Five- and six-speed manual ?boxes will be offered, depending on the engine, while six-speed auto and DSG dual-clutch ?boxes will be optional.
Buyers will also be able to choose between front- and four-wheel drive, the latter via a Haldex system.
Source: autocar magazine
VW has gone back to the drawing board with its sixth-generation Passat, seeking better performance, improved dynamics, larger accommodation and more luxury.
Due to reach UK showrooms in April 2005, the new saloon is supposed to move the Passat upmarket. VW chairman Bernd Pischetsrieder plans for the new Passat to compete with the entry-level BMW 3-series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class, rather than the Ford Mondeo and Vauxhall Vectra.
A new platform, PQ46, uses a transversely mounted engine instead of today?s longitudinal layout. Suspension is by MacPherson front struts and a multilink arrangement at the rear.
But the main news will be VW?s distinctive new front-end design. Combined with smooth-surfaced body forms influenced by the Phaeton, it endows the next Passat with more shapely lines than today?s model.
Designed in-house under Peter Schreyer, the man responsible for the current Audi look, the new VW nose will be copied on all future models. ?The chrome grille, lamp forms and overall proportions are indicative of what to expect from Volkswagen in the next few years,? a design source told Autocar. ?We want to add greater emotion and elegance to our cars? styling.?
Alongside the saloon, VW is readying an estate for launch in July 2005, and the PQ46 platform will also be used for the new Sharan, due in 2006.
In size, the new Passat is barely altered from today?s car, at around 4750mm long, 1780mm wide and 1470mm high. However, the switch to transverse engines allows a shorter bonnet and a wheelbase extended by 20mm ? meaning a bigger cabin and almost 500 litres of boot space.VW hopes to match exterior style with cabin quality. Expect a two-tone dashboard, the latest soft mouldings and an array of electronic gizmos.
VW is ditching the existing V6 petrol and diesel engines, along with the unloved W8. Instead, UK buyers will be offered 150bhp naturally aspirated and 180bhp turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder units, as well as 240bhp naturally aspirated and 280bhp turbocharged 3.2-litre V6 engines ? all running FSI direct-injection for reduced fuel consumption. Naturally, there will also be four diesel engines. They include a 100bhp 1.9-litre, 115bhp and 136bhp versions of the new 2.0-litre four-cylinder and a 185bhp 2.5-litre five-cylinder with 332lb ft of torque.
Five- and six-speed manual ?boxes will be offered, depending on the engine, while six-speed auto and DSG dual-clutch ?boxes will be optional.
Buyers will also be able to choose between front- and four-wheel drive, the latter via a Haldex system.
Source: autocar magazine
02-24-2004, 07:48 AM
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Unrelated question but seeing that you guys know something about VWs... what is the difference in the 1.8T engine that VW offers (for the Passat 2004) vs the Audi A4 1.8T (same year). According to the specs they are nearly identical. In years past, the Audi's version was always more powerful than the VW's version. Anybody?
Also, 4motion on the Passat (2004) vs Quattro on the A4. They seem identical in implementation and different in name only (Marketing). They both use the Torsen version. Are they different other than in name?
Also, 4motion on the Passat (2004) vs Quattro on the A4. They seem identical in implementation and different in name only (Marketing). They both use the Torsen version. Are they different other than in name?
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Originally posted by DEVO
Unrelated question but seeing that you guys know something about VWs... what is the difference in the 1.8T engine that VW offers (for the Passat 2004) vs the Audi A4 1.8T (same year). According to the specs they are nearly identical. In years past, the Audi's version was always more powerful than the VW's version. Anybody?
Also, 4motion on the Passat (2004) vs Quattro on the A4. They seem identical in implementation and different in name only (Marketing). They both use the Torsen version. Are they different other than in name?
Unrelated question but seeing that you guys know something about VWs... what is the difference in the 1.8T engine that VW offers (for the Passat 2004) vs the Audi A4 1.8T (same year). According to the specs they are nearly identical. In years past, the Audi's version was always more powerful than the VW's version. Anybody?
Also, 4motion on the Passat (2004) vs Quattro on the A4. They seem identical in implementation and different in name only (Marketing). They both use the Torsen version. Are they different other than in name?
According to my salesman (who, believe it or not, is pretty knowledgeable and reliable), the 1.8T engine used in the Passat is identical to the one in the A4. Audi's version has just been tweaked for a few more horses. VWs with that engine even use the Audi transmission if you go with the manual.
As for 4Motion vs. quattro, they're the same too. Audi just uses the current generation while VW gets the prior version.
In general, that's how it seems to work. Audi gets the latest toys while VW gets the trickle down a few years later.
02-24-2004, 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by planman
My wife drives a 2003 Passat 1.8T, so I asked these questions myself about a year and a half ago.
According to my salesman (who, believe it or not, is pretty knowledgeable and reliable), the 1.8T engine used in the Passat is identical to the one in the A4. Audi's version has just been tweaked for a few more horses. VWs with that engine even use the Audi transmission if you go with the manual.
As for 4Motion vs. quattro, they're the same too. Audi just uses the current generation while VW gets the prior version.
In general, that's how it seems to work. Audi gets the latest toys while VW gets the trickle down a few years later.
My wife drives a 2003 Passat 1.8T, so I asked these questions myself about a year and a half ago.
According to my salesman (who, believe it or not, is pretty knowledgeable and reliable), the 1.8T engine used in the Passat is identical to the one in the A4. Audi's version has just been tweaked for a few more horses. VWs with that engine even use the Audi transmission if you go with the manual.
As for 4Motion vs. quattro, they're the same too. Audi just uses the current generation while VW gets the prior version.
In general, that's how it seems to work. Audi gets the latest toys while VW gets the trickle down a few years later.
I think everything planman says is right.That 2005 Passat is really attractive. The current model is really good looking too, even though it's 7 years old. It has really held the line for such an old model - a great car. I have to disagree about the dealers though - ours completely sucked, and was rude for service requests.
02-24-2004, 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by jcg878
That 2005 Passat is really attractive. The current model is really good looking too, even though it's 7 years old. It has really held the line for such an old model - a great car. I have to disagree about the dealers though - ours completely sucked, and was rude for service requests.
That 2005 Passat is really attractive. The current model is really good looking too, even though it's 7 years old. It has really held the line for such an old model - a great car. I have to disagree about the dealers though - ours completely sucked, and was rude for service requests.
Only two things would keep me from buying one for myself: lack of storage and sport package. I spend a lot of time in my car and need places to keep stuff. The Passat is seriously lacking in this area...the "center console" can't even hold CDs! And the suspension and steering are just too soft for my tastes. Tighten things up a bit and I'd take one. It's a beautiful car otherwise.
02-24-2004, 09:42 AM
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thanks planman & jcg878,
I thought that too, that VW gets a version less of the engine, transmission, awd system, etc.. from Audi. In this case though, the engine has identical hp & torque numbers (Passat 1.8t vs Audi 1.8t (2004)). As for the 4motion, until VW went with the Torsen system (i don't know how many years ago), they were not even close to being the same as the Quattro (Torsen, not Haldex) system.
So that being said, why would you go with an Audi 1.8T Quattro over a GLS 4motion 1.8T Passat (with similar options in both)?
I thought that too, that VW gets a version less of the engine, transmission, awd system, etc.. from Audi. In this case though, the engine has identical hp & torque numbers (Passat 1.8t vs Audi 1.8t (2004)). As for the 4motion, until VW went with the Torsen system (i don't know how many years ago), they were not even close to being the same as the Quattro (Torsen, not Haldex) system.
So that being said, why would you go with an Audi 1.8T Quattro over a GLS 4motion 1.8T Passat (with similar options in both)?
02-24-2004, 09:49 AM
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Am I missing something but I thought:
VW Jetta + luxury = Audi A4
VW Passat + luxury = Audi A6
VW Phaeton w/ diff engine = Audi A8
Why is everyone comparing Passat to A4 when one is mid size and the other is a compact? I assume the reason this Passat came out is that the new A6 just came out last week.
VW Jetta + luxury = Audi A4
VW Passat + luxury = Audi A6
VW Phaeton w/ diff engine = Audi A8
Why is everyone comparing Passat to A4 when one is mid size and the other is a compact? I assume the reason this Passat came out is that the new A6 just came out last week.
02-24-2004, 10:24 AM
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i thought the A4 and Passat were built off of the same platform... B5. I would never link a Jetta to an A4. If you want to make the comparision by level... then i guess that would make sense but i don't care about that... to me the A4 and Passat are the same cars with different skins... mechanically speaking, which is more important then some marketing scheme.
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Originally posted by DEVO
i thought the A4 and Passat were built off of the same platform... B5. I would never link a Jetta to an A4. If you want to make the comparision by level... then i guess that would make sense but i don't care about that... to me the A4 and Passat are the same cars with different skins... mechanically speaking, which is more important then some marketing scheme.
i thought the A4 and Passat were built off of the same platform... B5. I would never link a Jetta to an A4. If you want to make the comparision by level... then i guess that would make sense but i don't care about that... to me the A4 and Passat are the same cars with different skins... mechanically speaking, which is more important then some marketing scheme.
02-24-2004, 01:56 PM
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someone correct me if i'm wrong, but pretty much everything from the b-pillar forward in the passat and previous a4 was identical. At the back, the B5 platform was stretched a few inches so the passat can qualify as a mid-size (it had one of better leg rooms in the class); and this is where the biggest difference in the passat and a4 was -- the A4 has independent rear suspension, while the passat uses a variation of the beam axle.
the current B6 A4 is a new platform, which according to rumours will *not* be shared with the '05/'06 passat anymore. instead, the new passat will use a stretched version of the next Jetta/Golf platform.
the current B6 A4 is a new platform, which according to rumours will *not* be shared with the '05/'06 passat anymore. instead, the new passat will use a stretched version of the next Jetta/Golf platform.
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Judging from the pics of the new A6... I doubt the 2005 Passat will be based off the jetta/golf platform (which is currently the A4 (not the car) platform).
The B5 platform handles the Audi A4, A6, and Passat. It's streched accordingly for the various cars. And yes, they are identical other then in sheet metal up front... the AWD systems are also identical. The B5 platform handles a longitudinal engine mount.... where as the jetta only handles a transverse engine mount.
The B5 platform handles the Audi A4, A6, and Passat. It's streched accordingly for the various cars. And yes, they are identical other then in sheet metal up front... the AWD systems are also identical. The B5 platform handles a longitudinal engine mount.... where as the jetta only handles a transverse engine mount.
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Originally posted by DEVO
[B]Unrelated question but seeing that you guys know something about VWs... what is the difference in the 1.8T engine that VW offers (for the Passat 2004) vs the Audi A4 1.8T (same year). According to the specs they are nearly identical. In years past, the Audi's version was always more powerful than the VW's version. Anybody?B]
[B]Unrelated question but seeing that you guys know something about VWs... what is the difference in the 1.8T engine that VW offers (for the Passat 2004) vs the Audi A4 1.8T (same year). According to the specs they are nearly identical. In years past, the Audi's version was always more powerful than the VW's version. Anybody?B]
I have the impression that lag becomes more noticeable in these motors with increasing hp, as the differences (except for the TT 225, which REALLY has some lag since the K04 is larger) in power output are all being provided by increasing boost.
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Originally posted by rb1
I think there is some leap-frogging going on. The Jetta 1.8T is current 180hp, Passat 170 hp, and I'm sure I saw an Audi somewhere with 190 hp. In Europe, they have a Golf with 210 hp. I'm not sure what the differences are between the 210 hp motor and the the 225 hp Audi TT motor, but the TT motor has forged pistons, dual intercoolers, and a K04 turbo instead of the K03 in the 170-190 hp models.
I have the impression that lag becomes more noticeable in these motors with increasing hp, as the differences (except for the TT 225, which REALLY has some lag since the K04 is larger) in power output are all being provided by increasing boost.
I think there is some leap-frogging going on. The Jetta 1.8T is current 180hp, Passat 170 hp, and I'm sure I saw an Audi somewhere with 190 hp. In Europe, they have a Golf with 210 hp. I'm not sure what the differences are between the 210 hp motor and the the 225 hp Audi TT motor, but the TT motor has forged pistons, dual intercoolers, and a K04 turbo instead of the K03 in the 170-190 hp models.
I have the impression that lag becomes more noticeable in these motors with increasing hp, as the differences (except for the TT 225, which REALLY has some lag since the K04 is larger) in power output are all being provided by increasing boost.
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Originally posted by DEVO
The hp rating for the Passat 1.8T is 170 as well as on the Audi A4 1.8T. I don't know how the Jetta has 180 but that is what is listed on their site.
The hp rating for the Passat 1.8T is 170 as well as on the Audi A4 1.8T. I don't know how the Jetta has 180 but that is what is listed on their site.
http://www.audiworld.com/news/02/102402/content.shtml
I guess we can't have these here...
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Originally posted by planman
And the suspension and steering are just too soft for my tastes. Tighten things up a bit and I'd take one. It's a beautiful car otherwise.
And the suspension and steering are just too soft for my tastes. Tighten things up a bit and I'd take one. It's a beautiful car otherwise.
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To clarrify (i mispoke above)... the Audi A4 uses the new (since 2002) B6 platform... so they are different in that respect. I see the Passat going to that platform. So... that is one major difference between the 2.
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You are right with regards to the TT engine being stronger than the other versions of the 1.8T. Most of the difference is primarily due to the different variations of ECU programing that is offered.
Another thing that a TT has over the other 1.8T's is a stronger fuel pressure regulator and stronger injectors.
Another thing that a TT has over the other 1.8T's is a stronger fuel pressure regulator and stronger injectors.
Originally posted by rb1
I think there is some leap-frogging going on. The Jetta 1.8T is current 180hp, Passat 170 hp, and I'm sure I saw an Audi somewhere with 190 hp. In Europe, they have a Golf with 210 hp. I'm not sure what the differences are between the 210 hp motor and the the 225 hp Audi TT motor, but the TT motor has forged pistons, dual intercoolers, and a K04 turbo instead of the K03 in the 170-190 hp models.
I have the impression that lag becomes more noticeable in these motors with increasing hp, as the differences (except for the TT 225, which REALLY has some lag since the K04 is larger) in power output are all being provided by increasing boost.
I think there is some leap-frogging going on. The Jetta 1.8T is current 180hp, Passat 170 hp, and I'm sure I saw an Audi somewhere with 190 hp. In Europe, they have a Golf with 210 hp. I'm not sure what the differences are between the 210 hp motor and the the 225 hp Audi TT motor, but the TT motor has forged pistons, dual intercoolers, and a K04 turbo instead of the K03 in the 170-190 hp models.
I have the impression that lag becomes more noticeable in these motors with increasing hp, as the differences (except for the TT 225, which REALLY has some lag since the K04 is larger) in power output are all being provided by increasing boost.