Volkswagen: Passat News
11-05-2008, 09:36 PM
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And that children is how a good looking car is designed (still don't like the taillights). Someone please tell Acura.
11-06-2008, 11:18 AM
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Price tops out way too high for a Passat IMO.
11-06-2008, 12:11 PM
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^Really. You're now in Audi territory, which of course some argue is the same as VW. At $43k, why get a CC when you can get the B8 A4 or any other luxury make? I think you'd have to be a total VW diehard or simply really love the design of the CC.
11-06-2008, 04:26 PM
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well its a dif segment, people who buy the cc will be looking for something trendy but dont want to pay for a CLS...
11-06-2008, 04:45 PM
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^^ Pretty much....and it starts at $26k
11-24-2008, 04:44 PM
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Volkswagen: Passat (Formerly NMS) news **2012 Unveiled (page 2)**
Although at first glance this shiny black car may not like anything exceptional, it’s actually the very first “mule” ever photographed of Volkswagen’s soon-to-be Chattanooga-built “mid-market” sedan. The new sedan is intended to go head-to-head with the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.
Referred to as the NMS (as in “new mid-market sedan”), this new car will fit in-between the Jetta and Passat in VW’s lineup, and will likely have a starting price of around $20,000.
In contrast to most future vehicle plans, Volkswagen has openly mentioned the NMS and what they hope to accomplish with this vehicle, as well as required amenities. VW has hinted that the new sedan will boast generous legroom, a larger trunk, bigger cup holders, improved interior quality, a six-speed dual clutch transmission, gas and diesel powerplants and the possibility of all-wheel drive.
Initially, engines and transmissions will be manufactured in Mexico – the same ones as found in the New Beetle and Jetta. This test mule – as clearly seen on the paper affixed to the windshield – is powered by VW’s 2.5-liter I5.
In addition to the North American market, VW may be also developing this platform for the Chinese market.
VW’s new Tennessee plant is expected to be up and running by early 2011, so look for the NMS to hit the market sometime after that.
Referred to as the NMS (as in “new mid-market sedan”), this new car will fit in-between the Jetta and Passat in VW’s lineup, and will likely have a starting price of around $20,000.
In contrast to most future vehicle plans, Volkswagen has openly mentioned the NMS and what they hope to accomplish with this vehicle, as well as required amenities. VW has hinted that the new sedan will boast generous legroom, a larger trunk, bigger cup holders, improved interior quality, a six-speed dual clutch transmission, gas and diesel powerplants and the possibility of all-wheel drive.
Initially, engines and transmissions will be manufactured in Mexico – the same ones as found in the New Beetle and Jetta. This test mule – as clearly seen on the paper affixed to the windshield – is powered by VW’s 2.5-liter I5.
In addition to the North American market, VW may be also developing this platform for the Chinese market.
VW’s new Tennessee plant is expected to be up and running by early 2011, so look for the NMS to hit the market sometime after that.
11-24-2008, 06:05 PM
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The sizzle in the Steak
I think the Jetta is heading down market (think corolla)
Passat is heading upmarket (see Passat CC)
The new sedan will be in the middle to compete with Camry & Accord.
Passat is heading upmarket (see Passat CC)
The new sedan will be in the middle to compete with Camry & Accord.
11-24-2008, 09:11 PM
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The Jetta competes with the Civic (sub-compact class). I never understood this because I think it's a little big for the class, but when you get inside one you'll see why. Not much room, but relatively comfortable.
11-24-2008, 11:11 PM
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I think the Golf competes with the Yaris, Versa, Fit, and upcoming Fiesta. The Jetta competes with the Focus, Civic, Corolla, and up coming Cruze. It leaves the current Passat in an odd position, though, if it's phased out in favor of the CC, it makes sense. The CC is positioned as a very sporty FWD flaghship, competing against the Maxima. 
11-25-2008, 09:23 PM
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11-25-2008, 09:32 PM
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Jetta has always been smaller than the Camry/Accord. I never saw it as competition. The Passat was more in line with those two but seemed tad too expensive to be a reasonable alternative. This car makes sense.
11-25-2008, 09:32 PM
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in other words, the Passat sits slightly higher than an Accord and a Camry, but it's lower than a Lexus ES or an Acura TL or Audi A4. The Jetta is positioned above a Civic, but doesn't really compete with the Accord.
11-25-2008, 09:36 PM
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No, you're half right. VW positions itself as sort of a half a step up from the mainstream brands. They're like semi-luxury, but they don't really want to step on the toes of Audi.
in other words, the Passat sits slightly higher than an Accord and a Camry, but it's lower than a Lexus ES or an Acura TL or Audi A4. The Jetta is positioned above a Civic, but doesn't really compete with the Accord.
in other words, the Passat sits slightly higher than an Accord and a Camry, but it's lower than a Lexus ES or an Acura TL or Audi A4. The Jetta is positioned above a Civic, but doesn't really compete with the Accord.
11-26-2008, 03:10 AM
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VW might want to become the "folks' car" (the original intent and translation of the name) but it'll be entering the toughest market segment in the world - mid sized sedans in NA. With the domestics having to rely more on that segment for their sales, competition will only get tougher. The plant in TN will solve the cost part of the issue (they could never compete on price with Euro built cars) but design and reliability will have to be great to make any kind of inroads in this segment.
11-26-2008, 12:54 PM
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Very much a test mule
This is said to be the new Volkswagen new mid-size sedan “NMS” which is in test mule form. The model will be produced at the new plant in Chattanooga, and the image was captured by zoom lens when the car was being loaded onto a transporter.
The image shows a sign in the windshield which reads “VW 411 NMS.” The letters NMS have publicly been referred to by Volkswagen as the codename for the new Chattanooga vehicle.
A corporate official from Volkswagen said that this is “unfortunately, this is not the NMS.”
“This vehicle is built on the Jetta chassis which may also include some components of a new midsize sedan (NMS) being tested,” he added.
The image shows a sign in the windshield which reads “VW 411 NMS.” The letters NMS have publicly been referred to by Volkswagen as the codename for the new Chattanooga vehicle.
A corporate official from Volkswagen said that this is “unfortunately, this is not the NMS.”
“This vehicle is built on the Jetta chassis which may also include some components of a new midsize sedan (NMS) being tested,” he added.
Guess we will have to wait a while longer to see what the NMS actually will look like.
01-26-2009, 11:50 AM
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VW NMS (new mid-market sedan) Spied again
Volkswagen has some pretty ambitious sales goals for the U.S. market in the coming years, with the bulk of those plans centering around one new VW model — the new mid-market sedan, or NMS for short. Our spy photographers managed to catch-up with the future Toyota Camry-fighter, marking the first time the vehicle has been spotted in the United States.
Although these are simply low-resolution camera phone images, this is the very first time Volkswagen’s soon-to-be Chattanooga-built “mid-market” sedan has ever been spotted (and photographed) in the United States. The new sedan is intended to go head-to-head with the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.
Referred to as the NMS, this new car will fit in-between the Jetta and Passat in VW’s lineup, and will likely have a starting price of around $20,000.
In contrast to most future vehicle plans, Volkswagen has openly mentioned the NMS and what they hope to accomplish with this vehicle, as well as required amenities. VW has hinted that the new sedan will boast generous legroom, a larger trunk, bigger cup holders, improved interior quality, a six-speed dual clutch transmission, gas and diesel powerplants and the possibility of all-wheel drive.
Initially, engines and transmissions will be manufactured in Mexico – the same ones as found in the New Beetle and Jetta. A previously-spotted test mule – as clearly seen on the paper affixed to the windshield – was powered by VW’s 2.5-liter I5.
In addition to the North American market, VW may be also developing this platform for the Chinese market.
VW’s new Tennessee plant is expected to be up and running by early 2011, so look for the NMS to hit the market sometime after that.
Although these are simply low-resolution camera phone images, this is the very first time Volkswagen’s soon-to-be Chattanooga-built “mid-market” sedan has ever been spotted (and photographed) in the United States. The new sedan is intended to go head-to-head with the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.
Referred to as the NMS, this new car will fit in-between the Jetta and Passat in VW’s lineup, and will likely have a starting price of around $20,000.
In contrast to most future vehicle plans, Volkswagen has openly mentioned the NMS and what they hope to accomplish with this vehicle, as well as required amenities. VW has hinted that the new sedan will boast generous legroom, a larger trunk, bigger cup holders, improved interior quality, a six-speed dual clutch transmission, gas and diesel powerplants and the possibility of all-wheel drive.
Initially, engines and transmissions will be manufactured in Mexico – the same ones as found in the New Beetle and Jetta. A previously-spotted test mule – as clearly seen on the paper affixed to the windshield – was powered by VW’s 2.5-liter I5.
In addition to the North American market, VW may be also developing this platform for the Chinese market.
VW’s new Tennessee plant is expected to be up and running by early 2011, so look for the NMS to hit the market sometime after that.
01-26-2009, 02:07 PM
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