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Old 06-15-2010, 05:04 PM
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it's very clean. front is kinda boring, but i bet it will look great with a lip kit. i'm disappointed in the interior though. VW basically has the same interior theme for last 10 years. should've tried something different.
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I wonder what the GLI will look like.
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it's very clean. front is kinda boring, but i bet it will look great with a lip kit. i'm disappointed in the interior though. VW basically has the same interior theme for last 10 years. should've tried something different.
For family sedans you want simple but elegant design that are cheaper to maintain and repair which is good for insurance not over complicated shapes.
It has class leading rear legroom and diesel option.
let see how comfort/noise features taken care off. there is chance of its coupe version like Accord
with 2.0TFSI it should get closer to 34mpg with 6 DSG.

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The new 2011 Volkswagen Jetta makes its global debut in New York on Tuesday, with a new $16,000 model and an emphasis on appealing to the entry-level market. A hybrid is on its way, too, though there’s no sign of it today — it will appear in 2012.

“If you did a search for cars under $17,000 right now, no Volkswagens would show up,” said Toscan Bennett, a VW product strategist. “With the new Jetta, we’ve kept everything people liked, but also made the car more accessible to the entry-level buyer in the compact segment. We want people who had considered Jettas too expensive to put us on their shopping lists.”

The slightly larger and longer Jetta, with a 115-horsepower 4-cylinder gas engine, breaks no stylistic barriers. Even casual onlookers will recognize the new model as a member of the family and most likely will see it as a modest step forward in design.

Don’t judge it until you see it in person,” Mr. Bennett said. “It has a substantial presence that’s difficult to convey in photos.”

VW is still debating whether to import an even more affordable car, the subcompact Polo, a staple of the European market.

“There’s a challenging business case with the Polo,” Mr. Bennett said. “If we sell a small car for less than $15,000, we’d have to find some way to localize it and produce it in a Nafta country.”

There’s no room now for the Polo in VW’s new factory in Chattanooga, Tenn., he said. “It’s more a question of when and not if” the car will come to the United States.

The hybrid Jetta, on the other hand, is definitely on its way.

“VW as a brand takes the electrification of the automobile very seriously, and we have a longtime strategy for growing that business,” Mr. Bennett said. “The Jetta hybrid is our first entry in that strategy.”

Mr. Bennett described the hybrid as having “best in class” fuel economy, though that doesn’t mean it aspires to the Prius’s 51 city/48 highway miles per gallon. VW says it considers the Prius in a class by itself, so VW is likely to be aiming at a vehicle with fuel economy numbers similar to the Honda Civic Hybrid (40/45 m.p.g.).

The new entry-level car, and the coming hybrid, will considerably broaden the Jetta’s appeal in previously unexplored markets. And that should help the company on the lower end of the spectrum, where it has experienced some sales challenges.
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2011 Volkswagen Jetta
Dimensions (inches): length: 182.7, width: 70.1, height: 57.1
Engines: 2.5-liter inline-five with 170 horsepower, 177 pound-feet of torque; 2.0-liter turbo-diesel four with 140 hp, 236 lb-ft; 2.0-liter turbocharged four with 200 hp, 207 lb-ft; six-speed automatic, dual-clutch and manual transmissions will be available
Fuel economy: Over 40 mpg for TDI diesel models
Available features: Navigation, Bluetooth, 60/40 split rear seat


2011 Chevrolet Cruze
Dimensions (inches): length: 181.0, width: 70.7, height: 58.1, wheelbase: 105.7
Engines: 1.8-liter naturally aspirated inline-four with 138 horsepower and 125 pound-feet of torque; 1.4-liter turbocharged four with 138 hp and 148 lb-ft; six-speed manual and automatic transmissions available
Fuel economy: 40 mpg for Eco models
Available features: Bluetooth, USB connectivity, OnStar support


2012 Ford Focus
Dimensions (inches): length: 179, width: 72, height: 58, wheelbase: 104
Engines: 2.0-liter naturally aspirated inline-four with 155 horsepower, 145 pound-feet of torque, mated to a five-speed manual or six-speed dual-clutch automatic; 2.0-liter EcoBoost turbocharged four reportedly in the works with 240-plus hp and a six-speed manual
Fuel economy: 40 mpg highway targeted for base 2.0-liter model
Available features: SYNC, active park assist, navigation
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I think the Focus is looking best at this point from what we've seen so far as well as looking at the vehicles these things are replacing.

VW's mileage ratings for the average models are going to suck. It's at like 30 highway right now and the coming competition is hovering as high as 40.
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^ that 2.5 I4 needs to go and something more akin to what the competion has needs to be used. I didn't see a spec for weight but that probably grew and won't help the mileage numbers.
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^ that 2.5 I4 needs to go and something more akin to what the competion has needs to be used. I didn't see a spec for weight but that probably grew and won't help the mileage numbers.
VW said they were targeting to make the new car lighter and less expensive to build.
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^ they may have said that but I have a feeling by making it 3.5" longer the weight went up, not down.

Biker, who rented an 09 Jetta (w/ the 2.5l I4) and got about 30MPG on mostly highway driving.
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115hp is for base right? that's seriously underpowered.
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overall it's very well proportioned car. the boring front needs some work though.
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overall it's very well proportioned car. the boring front needs some work though.
That looks great and I'm hoping the GLI fixes that
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Biker, who rented an 09 Jetta (w/ the 2.5l I5) and got about 30MPG on mostly highway driving.
Fixed.

My wife averages about 26-27 in mixed driving with her 09 Rabbit. My biggest complaint with the engine is its coarseness and its somewhat loud.
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^ they may have said that but I have a feeling by making it 3.5" longer the weight went up, not down.

Biker, who rented an 09 Jetta (w/ the 2.5l I4) and got about 30MPG on mostly highway driving.
Even if we play VW's game and say it lost 100 lbs, economy with the samd old drivetrain(s) is not gonna go from 30 up to 38-40 like the competition.

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Fixed.

My biggest complaint with the engine is its coarseness and its somewhat loud.
That tends to happen with lots of larger displacement I-4s. Honda's K24s have this same problem, except the premium burning models in Acuras.
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That tends to happen with lots of larger displacement I-4s. Honda's K24s have this same problem, except the premium burning models in Acuras.
Its an I5.

And yes, the K24 in my 04 TSX was far smoother and much more willing to rev. But this 2.5 has it beat by some margin in the low end torque dept.

This Jetta with the 2.0T will make a nice replacement for the Rabbit once the lease is up in 3 years.
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Its an I5.

And yes, the K24 in my 04 TSX was far smoother and much more willing to rev. But this 2.5 has it beat by some margin in the low end torque dept.

This Jetta with the 2.0T will make a nice replacement for the Rabbit once the lease is up in 3 years.
I knew that....if only I could remember. LOL

But for I-5s it's the same story anyway.

Used 2.0T?
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Used 2.0T?
I thought the '11 Jetta was available with the 2.0T?
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I thought the '11 Jetta was available with the 2.0T?
Didn't seem that way. The current Jetta used to offer the 2.0T until it became a GLI only affair and it seemed like that was the case here again.

Buuuuuut I could be very, very wrong.
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115hp is for base right? that's seriously underpowered.
115bhp would not be underpowered for 2.0L as it will have more usable torque. and no one is going to use base $16k car for street racing.
even 140bhp TDI gets 0-60 in 8.7 second.
i think 2.0TFSI will start around $20k.
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Didn't seem that way. The current Jetta used to offer the 2.0T until it became a GLI only affair and it seemed like that was the case here again.

Buuuuuut I could be very, very wrong.
the current jetta can be had with the 2.0T in the Wolfsburg trim
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Originally Posted by MyCarIsntInMyWifesName View Post
Didn't seem that way. The current Jetta used to offer the 2.0T until it became a GLI only affair and it seemed like that was the case here again.

Buuuuuut I could be very, very wrong.
Hmmm, that may have changed for 2010, or maybe its a US thing. I almost bought an 09 Jetta (non GLI) with the 2.0T and DSG (no paddles though)

EDIT: Just went to vw.ca. No Jetta GLI available but there is a 2.0T TSI Highline and Wolfsburg edition.

EDIT 2: Looks like the US did away with the GLI as well. Only Wolfsburg on their site.

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Didn't seem that way. The current Jetta used to offer the 2.0T until it became a GLI only affair and it seemed like that was the case here again.

Buuuuuut I could be very, very wrong.
No, you can get that engine in the Wolfsburg.
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Well I went to VW.com to confirm but I noticed no GLI is to be found?!
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^^ GLI has not been around for the last year or two.
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Well,let's see what the new GLI will look like. This is the trim I'm curious about.
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I guess they just took off the GLI for now, probably stopped making it and just dont have any?

The North American version of the all-new 2011 Jetta features the powerful and efficient German engineering that drivers have come to expect from Volkswagen. Four engines will be available in the U.S. and Canada, including a 2.0-liter TDI® Clean Diesel featuring common rail injection with 236 lbs./ft. of torque (320 Newton-meters). The engine runs as quietly as a gasoline engine, but yields the power of a sports car, achieving 0-60 mph in 8.7 seconds. All Jetta engines will be offered with a manual transmission as standard equipment. An automatic transmission will also be available with each engine version as an option. On the new 2.0-liter TDI and 2.0-liter TSI®, Volkswagen will offer the six-speed DSG® – one of the most advanced and efficient automatic transmission systems in the world. In the U.S., S, SE, SEL and TDI versions of the Jetta will be available, as will a 2.0-liter GLI.
A gli is coming though. And I didnt think they would be offering 4 engine choices, just 3. Guess they are gonna bring that 115 hp engine here.
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Ah so it does appear as though the 2.0T will be available on something other than the GLI.

That's good news, as hopefully this will pressure Ford into offering an EcoBoost Focus (like an ST) along with an actual sport model (SVT, RS, etc.).

And unfortunately it seems like Honda will continue falling behind in available power. That said the 1.8 is a nice engine compared to the majority of its competition's competing <=2L engines.
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I agree, although I like the rear more than the front. Front is bland and already looks outdated to me.
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The North American version of the all-new 2011 Jetta features the powerful and efficient German engineering that drivers have come to expect from Volkswagen. Four engines will be available in the U.S. and Canada, including a 2.0-liter TDI® Clean Diesel featuring common rail injection with 236 lbs./ft. of torque (320 Newton-meters). The engine runs as quietly as a gasoline engine, but yields the power of a sports car, achieving 0-60 mph in 8.7 seconds. All Jetta engines will be offered with a manual transmission as standard equipment. An automatic transmission will also be available with each engine version as an option. On the new 2.0-liter TDI and 2.0-liter TSI®, Volkswagen will offer the six-speed DSG® – one of the most advanced and efficient automatic transmission systems in the world. In the U.S., S, SE, SEL and TDI versions of the Jetta will be available, as will a 2.0-liter GLI.
Yeah, 8.7 seconds, the power of a sports car....

I'm sorry, I just don't get this sudden love affair with the TDI. Its just another underpowered engine option of VW's. How many options for going 0-60 in 8+ seconds do you need???
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Yeah, 8.7 seconds, the power of a sports car....

I'm sorry, I just don't get this sudden love affair with the TDI. Its just another underpowered engine option of VW's. How many options for going 0-60 in 8+ seconds do you need???
Magazines test them much closer to eight seconds.

Still not fast, but it's as quick as regular gas sipping competitors while you get torque up the ass (helps the fun to drive factor, as well as effortless grunt even on the highway) and serious mileage.

The bigger and heavier the application, the more sense they seem to make. We live in a world where you can have a V-10 Touareg that gets 25 mpg highway or a V-8 E-Class that gets over 30.
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I'm still only interested in the GLI. It's the only one I'd consider. I wish pics/specs were available already.
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Yeah, 8.7 seconds, the power of a sports car....

I'm sorry, I just don't get this sudden love affair with the TDI. Its just another underpowered engine option of VW's. How many options for going 0-60 in 8+ seconds do you need???
This is still better performance than Toyota Prius. It may not be as fast has Toyota Camry Hybrid but it is not that expensive either
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Just about 3/4 times I click on this thread, I get sent to the 2G TL side, to a thread regarding electrical problems.

Am I the only one?
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still wouldnt get any type of jetta over the GTI
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Yeah, 8.7 seconds, the power of a sports car....

I'm sorry, I just don't get this sudden love affair with the TDI. Its just another underpowered engine option of VW's. How many options for going 0-60 in 8+ seconds do you need???

Never mind the marketing BS. The TDI is about fuel efficiency. And its hardly underpowered for a diesel.
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still wouldnt get any type of jetta over the GTI
Do you mean GLI?
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Yeah, 8.7 seconds, the power of a sports car....

I'm sorry, I just don't get this sudden love affair with the TDI. Its just another underpowered engine option of VW's. How many options for going 0-60 in 8+ seconds do you need???
You are missing the point.

An 8 second car that gets incredible MPG numbers.

How many of those are out there?
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