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Old 08-25-2005, 02:05 PM
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pretty quick for a GLI. Picture it chipped
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It looks stupid. It has the body proportions of an Echo.
previous gen >> > >>> > this current gen.
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My buddy has one just like that....much nicer.
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Thats a pretty good mpg rating for that performance.
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yeah ugly design but very good fuel numbers!
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Meh...still looks like an oversized Corolla to me...
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sorta pricey.
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looks terrible IMO
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not cool, VW screwed up a good car...
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I disagree with the haters ... Lower the car 1" or so and it will look good. Check out the ebay auction for the profile pics. I like it, but they are just not low enough.
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nasty. my friend has one in black, pretty nice looking car with a cool interior. that, though, simply looks like shit.
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Originally Posted by 95gt
not feeling that picture at all.

And for their sporty version was expecting a little more get up and go
Those performance numbers will be conservative. It'll definitely be in the low 6s 0-60. Sounds pretty competitve to me.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
I disagree with the haters ... Lower the car 1" or so and it will look good. Check out the ebay auction for the profile pics. I like it, but they are just not low enough.
I agree, I think it can look a lot better with just new wheels and a minor drop, just like the golf does.

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Volkswagen cuts Jetta price in effort to regain volume; upmarket move to come later - - SOurce: Autoweek

WOLFSBURG, Germany -- Volkswagen is abandoning its strategy of moving the Jetta upmarket and will remove content from the vehicle for the 2007 model year, slashing the price $1,410.

Adrian Hallmark, executive vice president of Volkswagen of America Inc., said lowering the price of the Jetta, VW's biggest seller in the United States, is part of the brand's return to its volume image. VWoA will abandon attempts to move sharply upscale, at least for a few years, Hallmark said.

"If we are going to be a volume player, we have to play the volume game," Hallmark said at a press event here. "If you look at the price-volume relationship, the decision is really clear."

VW dealers agreed to reduce profit margins to support the move.

Hallmark confirmed that 2007 Jetta prices will begin at $17,105, including shipping. The cheapest 2006 Jetta starts at $18,515, including shipping.

Hallmark said the base 2007 Jetta will not be a totally stripped model. VW can't remove features such as antilock brakes or extra airbags. Those items are standard in Europe and would cost too much to remove, Hallmark said.

VW dealers agreed to take a cut in profit margins on the base Jetta as well as the entry Rabbit compact, said Hallmark. He would not disclose the size of the cut but said it is "not more than 1" percentage point.

Hallmark said VWoA also cut its profit margin on the two cars.

The Jetta price cut follows similar action on the Rabbit, the next generation of the car that's called the Golf everywhere else in the world. It will go on sale this summer with a base price of $15,605, including shipping. The base 2006 Golf sells for $16,660, including shipping.

The new pricing reflects Volkswagen of America's decision to compete with volume brands, including Toyota, Honda, Mazda and Mitsubishi, Hallmark said.

That represents a turnaround from VW's strategy when it launched the larger, redesigned Jetta in the spring of 2005. Len Hunt, Hallmark's predecessor, said at the time that the Jetta "can actually bridge three segments" -- premium subcompact, premium mid-sized and entry-luxury.

In Germany, VW's efforts to become more of a premium brand "worked far better than in the U.S., where it did not work as well," Hallmark said.

The problem in the United States is that the Jetta's price was comparable to that of larger sedans such as the Toyota Camry, he said.

Jetta sales peaked at 145,000 units in 2001. This year, the first full year of the redesigned vehicle, VW expects to sell about 105,000 units, Hallmark said.

Hallmark says the Phaeton luxury sedan, which won't be sold in the United States starting in the 2007 model year, and the Touareg SUV both failed as premium products there.

VW will regroup and try to hit higher price points with the minivan from the Chrysler group that VW will rebadge. That vehicle goes on sale in 2008, Hallmark said.

VW is considering a new entry-level vehicle, he said. It also will try to move the brand upmarket with coming vehicles such as the Eos hardtop convertible, due this year.

Next year, a station wagon version of the Jetta goes on sale as well as a performance version of the Rabbit called the R32. A face-lifted Touareg also debuts in 2007. A compact SUV based on the Concept A vehicle shown at this year's Geneva auto show is expected in 2009, Hallmark said.

VW needs such vehicles before trying to bring back something in the price range of the Phaeton. VW priced the Phaeton at $68,655 for a V-8 model, including shipping and a $1,300 gas-guzzler charge.

Said Hallmark: "Instead of going for the penthouse, we need a few floors below."
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:04 PM
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VW is starting to get the US market a little better with the above move.

I was watching a test of the Passat on Motorweek the other day and looking at the V6's price (easily into the 40s with AWD) I could not but wonder what exactly is VW trying to accomplish with this strategy. There is no such thing as a volume, entry-luxury offering made by a volume brand. You cant have it all. You could, if you're really good, have the first two, but not all three.
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VW should quit trying to move the line-up upmarket and leave that to Audi. By having VW move upmarket, they would just be stealing sales from Audi since the cars are so similar.
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
VW should quit trying to move the line-up upmarket and leave that to Audi. By having VW move upmarket, they would just be stealing sales from Audi since the cars are so similar.



I don't understand the stragedy. Isn't VW supposed to be "the people's car"?
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:24 PM
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i'm tempted to buy GTI, but it's too expensive and i still don't trust their reliablity. i love the car though.
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Looks like one of the few wagons that actually look better than the sedan version.
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Originally Posted by chungkopi
i'm tempted to buy GTI, but it's too expensive and i still don't trust their reliablity. i love the car though.
Same here, I need my next car to last 200k miles. I'm not sure if the GTI is up to the task.
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As much as I like the style, upscale feel and mod potential of the GTI, I would still get the new Civic Si over the GTI. Likewise with the Jetta GLI vs Civic Si sedan. ....and I am confident the Si will go the 200k with few problems.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
As much as I like the style, upscale feel and mod potential of the GTI, I would still get the new Civic Si over the GTI. Likewise with the Jetta GLI vs Civic Si sedan. ....and I am confident the Si will go the 200k with few problems.

I know what you mean. I want my next car to be a commuter and allow me to drive my future BMW 335 sparingly. I've been told that the VW's aren"t "daily drivers"..... Although I have an ex who has a Jetta thats about 5 years old with no isssues.... The GTI is an expensive risk and I may take the sure way out.
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I took my son to Honda for a test drive in the new Si sedan and I definitely recommend it for daily duty.
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In defense of VW, look at these issued TSBs . Notice how many are issued for Toyota, Honda, BMW, MB, GM. Yes Honda has less then VW but only by 28 and when u compare VW to the rest of the German makes, they're doing damn well. Yes u might be thinking but this doesn't guarantee a car that will last 200k+ miles, but i think it does because the number of problems that a car shows early on correlates to the amount it will have down the line. Oh and look at Lexus, they have only 2 less then VW

<--VW owner with 0 problems

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Originally Posted by stangg172004
In defense of VW, look at these issued TSBs . Notice how many are issued for Toyota, Honda, BMW, MB, GM. Yes Honda has less then VW but only by 28 and when u compare VW to the rest of the German makes, they're doing damn well. Yes u might be thinking but this doesn't guarantee a car that will last 200k+ miles, but i think it does because the number of problems that a car shows early on correlates to the amount it will have down the line. Oh and look at Lexus, they have only 2 less then VW

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TSB's are NOT AT ALL a good indicator of reliability.

An Audi can be put together really well with the best fit and finish and have very few customer complaints, yet still have a crippling electrical problem or engine failure at 50k. Quality and reliability are totally different things, and TSBs are more an indicator of quality than reliability.

I have no doubt many Acuras/Hondas will last well past 100k (as in reliable). But after owning both a Honda and an Acura, I know there are many "quality" concerns such as squeaks, rattles, etc. that show up on TSB's.
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
In defense of VW, look at these issued TSBs . Notice how many are issued for Toyota, Honda, BMW, MB, GM. Yes Honda has less then VW but only by 28 and when u compare VW to the rest of the German makes, they're doing damn well. Yes u might be thinking but this doesn't guarantee a car that will last 200k+ miles, but i think it does because the number of problems that a car shows early on correlates to the amount it will have down the line. Oh and look at Lexus, they have only 2 less then VW

<--VW owner with 0 problems

How many miles do you have on the VW and is it your daily commuter?

Don't get me wrong, I want the VW but I've heard they don't hold up well. After this tranny issue with the CLS, I'm done with crap like this.
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Simple: Look to the used car market and compare the condition of 96-97 Civics to that of 96-97 Jettas/Golfs. This should provide some feel for how an 07 Civic and 07 Golf may fare in 10 years' time.

As the wife and I have been in the market for our son's first car, I can state that higher mileage Civics seem to be in MUCH better shape than lower mileage Golfs/Jettas of the same years.

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How, exactly does decontenting a car make it a volume leader? Did they add standard equipment to the '06s that no one wanted like a shiatsu massage driver's seat for $1000?

Lowering the price AND keeping the content up is what makes the car a better bargain. Taking $1500 worth of content out and then charging $1500 less isn't fooling anyone. It's still the same priced car ... Assuming, of course, that the old car was full of shit people don't want.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Simple: Look to the used car market and compare the condition of 96-97 Civics to that of 96-97 Jettas/Golfs. This should provide some feel for how an 07 Civic and 07 Golf may fare in 10 years' time.

As the wife and I have been in the market for our son's first car, I can state that higher mileage Civics seem to be in MUCH better shape than lower mileage Golfs/Jettas of the same years.

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I decided come summer time that the GTI will be my next car over the Civic Si. One of the main reasons is that the GTI is hands down the better of the two in everyday practicality IMO, since it offers the driver certain features not found in the Si. DSG is a breath-taking system and with Launch Control is an abosolute BLAST to drive. I love the look of both the GTI and Rabbit and feel VW did a very good job giving it the little things you find in luxury cars like auto windows and stereo noise adjustment while keeping the price very competative, which is very important to me since I will be financing the car with my money, through a co-signing of my parents (APR reasons, they have a much better rep than me ).

I have owned 2 CRXs and frankly I am sick of the "Ricer" image, not that it is a bad thing to drive one. I enjoyed driving the car, and with an engine swap the thing FLIES. But it's not all about that anymore. I guess what I am trying to say is, going to a car like the GTI in my mind is an image of my "automotive maturity" if you will. I want a car that won't need to let everyone know you're accelerating obnoxiously when you want to merge or pass somebody causally. The torque in the GTI is very good as are the gearings of either tranny.

My logic regarding the move to VW is this: I have gotten in touch with many GTI and MKV Rabbit owners, and the biggest issue is "the rattle". My dad owns a 2004 TSX, and when they first came out, that was the biggest issue. The dealer and waranty cleared that right out. Other than that, the only major issues with the GTI are a TSB that some dealers don't follow through on regarding adding Launch Control to pre 07 GTIs, something I will not have to deal with since I am getting an 07 or 08.

I am not brand loyal or biased for the most part. Heck if Honda offered the Civic Type-R I'd probably void all my words here and buy that since it looks like so much fun. I just think the research done has lead me to the best value, peformance, praticallity, and warranty package available in the GTI.

Totally forgot this thread was about the Jetta, so I'll make it quick: I think it's over-priced but considering that it is a cross between the Civics and Accords of the Japanese companies, it is a good car to consider. I myself would have to get a 4-cyl Japanese mid-sized for that price, and if I were in the market for a coupe, the Rabbit is better than the Civic IMHO hands down.

edit: oh and the Eos and Passat are grossly overpriced

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How, exactly does decontenting a car make it a volume leader?

the same way the RL became the volume leader in the midsize luxury class after they decontented it and lowered the price.
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You guys are mistaking volume for value. Lowering the price will in theory increase the vloume.
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You guys are mistaking volume for value. Lowering the price will in theory increase the vloume.
The car still costs the same with the content the '06 has. It is no more a value now than it was back then. The only differences are parlor tricks.
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the same way the RL became the volume leader in the midsize luxury class after they decontented it and lowered the price.
You forgot your sarcasm tag
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Originally Posted by charliemike
The car still costs the same with the content the '06 has. It is no more a value now than it was back then. The only differences are parlor tricks.

But VW isn't advertising more value. They simply want to sell more Jetta's and lowering the price is one way of doing that. Its the same thing with the 07 RL.
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It looks to be a good move to lower the price of the Jettas even if they have to decontent the cars. Excluding special versions (GLI, GTI) I had always viewed Jettas to be in the same class as Corollas, Civics, and Sentras. Pitting Jettas in the same price range as Camrys and Accords was just plain dumb. Similarly, I always thought Passats were more in the Camry and Accord class, so putting their pricing in the same range as a 3 series and A4 was just insane. I'm glad Wolfgang Bernhard was removed after his failed attempt to move VW upmarket.
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