Volkswagen: Jetta News
#402
Senior Moderator
I agree its still not enough torque, which is why I would have rather seen Honda stick with a high revving 2.0L, although putting out even more HP.
And by most accounts, its basically the engine from the TSX, which isn't high strung and makes most of its torque at about 4K. So the new Si won't be your typical high strung Honda with no torque. But also not nearly as fun IMO.
#404
Suzuka Master
http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_up...tsi_trans.html
one awesome thinkg about apr is that they have a sale every year and you ccan get stage 1 for $550-$600 and then they offer different settings. I believe you get to choose three. One returns it to stock, there's one for vallet so limited power, obviously there's the stage 1 and there are a few others i believe?
#405
The sizzle in the Steak
#407
The sizzle in the Steak
#409
So here is the question.
Why can't Honda grow a pair of balls, and throw the K23turbo in a Civic?
Give a K20 with the 8000rpm for those that like to ring the crap out of an engine to keep up with traffic.
Give the K23 turbo for those that want a fast fun Honda.
Why can't Honda grow a pair of balls, and throw the K23turbo in a Civic?
Give a K20 with the 8000rpm for those that like to ring the crap out of an engine to keep up with traffic.
Give the K23 turbo for those that want a fast fun Honda.
#410
Fahrvergnügen'd
Because that's not what Honda (at least in America) is. Honda of America sells the automobile equivalent of a refridgerator or a dishwasher. An appliance. A very reliable one but something that is just used to go from point A to point B without fanfare.
#411
That is why I WANT Honda to build something in a Civic sized car, but with a more adult oriented powertrain with some torque.
I like the Honda reliability like a refrigerator. That is something you can NOT get with the Jetta.
#412
Suzuka Master
#413
Race Director
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...to-jetta-gli/1
In the past, the notion of "launch control," a feature that lets a car's computer take over when pushing for maximum acceleration, was limited only to the most exotic models. Now it's increasingly going downscale.
Ford has added it to its 2013 Mustang. The latest to get it is the Volkswagen Jetta GLI, a performance version of VW's compact. Basically, it allows drivers to feel a car's maximum performance without having to worry about shifting. Perfect for drag racing -- not that anyone should try.
For 2013, Jetta GLI will have the same launch control feature found in much more expensive performance cars. In a Porsche, for instance, launch control allows you to hold down the brake with your left foot and push the accelerator to the floor with your right foot to engage the feature. When the brake is released, the car takes off as fast as it possibly can without spinning its wheels.
We expect it will work the same way in the GLI. Says VW:
All Jetta GLI models equipped with the DSG automatic transmission include a Launch Control program that can be engaged by the driver when the vehicle is at a stop, allowing for a perfect launch with controlled wheelspin.
Ford has added it to its 2013 Mustang. The latest to get it is the Volkswagen Jetta GLI, a performance version of VW's compact. Basically, it allows drivers to feel a car's maximum performance without having to worry about shifting. Perfect for drag racing -- not that anyone should try.
For 2013, Jetta GLI will have the same launch control feature found in much more expensive performance cars. In a Porsche, for instance, launch control allows you to hold down the brake with your left foot and push the accelerator to the floor with your right foot to engage the feature. When the brake is released, the car takes off as fast as it possibly can without spinning its wheels.
We expect it will work the same way in the GLI. Says VW:
All Jetta GLI models equipped with the DSG automatic transmission include a Launch Control program that can be engaged by the driver when the vehicle is at a stop, allowing for a perfect launch with controlled wheelspin.
#415
The sizzle in the Steak
GTI has had it ever since DSG was an option....so why not the GLI?
#416
Test drove a 2013 GLI Autobahn yesterday...was impressed on the low end torque that it had getting around some back roads. Highway pickup was decent, obviously not as powerful as my TL but still pretty good. Headlights are very nice in person, 100 times better than the 2012's.
Still deciding on what I want to do, I may go see if I can pick one up if the price is right and they can give me a decent trade in for my tl.
Still deciding on what I want to do, I may go see if I can pick one up if the price is right and they can give me a decent trade in for my tl.
#417
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I may be buying a 2012 Jetta SEL with Navi, the price is great and quite frankly I can't justify the added cost to get to GTI/GLI level, at least comparably equipped. So the question becomes, finance a 2012 Jetta SEL at 0.0% or a 2013 Golf GTI 4-door at 0.0%...
Anyways, driving impressions of the 2.5?
Anyways, driving impressions of the 2.5?
#420
Suzuka Master
never driven the jetta or 2.5 for that matter, but i'll say this once. You get what you pay for. Its cheaper for a reason.
Its probably a great car to go from A to B in a dull way. If youre fine with that go for it. If you want excitement. GTI!!
Its probably a great car to go from A to B in a dull way. If youre fine with that go for it. If you want excitement. GTI!!
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So I'm mulling over a 2.5 SEL Jetta and a GTI DSG, the price difference is roughly $15 a month over the terms of the loan... I just wish I could find a 2-door locally for a decent price. I am coming from a horribly unreliable BMW and therefor will be getting an extended warranty at which point the car will be gone... I don't drive much, maybe 8,000 miles a year, so that should help.
#422
Fahrvergnügen'd
The 2.5 is a lousy engine. Rough and anemic. I have one in my Jetta wagon. Wish I had the diesel or 2.0T.
There is a reason they are going to replace it with a 1.8T. It kinda sucks.
Get the GTI. It is a better car in every way and worth so much more than the $900 diff in payments.
There is a reason they are going to replace it with a 1.8T. It kinda sucks.
Get the GTI. It is a better car in every way and worth so much more than the $900 diff in payments.
#423
Fahrvergnügen'd
VW New Midsize Coupe, aka Jetta CC
This is the New Midsize Coupe from VW. The concept was shown in Bejing but VW says it's going to be on sale around the world.
Nothing remarkable in the running gear. But I think it's a good looking car and would make a great substitute for the regular Jetta in the US.
I think that VW also needs to look at redoing the Passat based CC soon too.
Nothing remarkable in the running gear. But I think it's a good looking car and would make a great substitute for the regular Jetta in the US.
I think that VW also needs to look at redoing the Passat based CC soon too.
#425
I've already let my thoughts known on the "coupe" designation on four-doors, but that profile shot looks like a Caprice riding on 22s.
#426
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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/det...s-new-vw-jetta
Volkwagen's Golf-ish saloon is previewed in some sketches. Form a queue
This is the new Volkswagen Jetta. Well, it’s an illustration of it. The actual car will be shown at the Detroit motor show in January, and these sketches suggests it’ll be a reasonably sleek saloon with hints of the VW Arteon.
There’s a bold hexagonal grille, a big slash down the side and a narrow window line, as well as ginormous wheels. How much of that is down to the cartoonish nature of the sketches we’ll know in a few weeks. Inside, it looks like there will be high-res media screens aplently, including the ‘virtual cockpit’ dials that are now used in most VW Group stuff.
The big question is if it’ll come to the UK. The Jetta has long been a forgotten part of the UK line up, especially given it hasn’t really kept up with the generation changes and tech updates of its VW Golf relative. The outgoing Jetta feels several stages removed from the current Mk7 Golf, and it’s no longer available to order in Britain.
Small saloons – or, indeed, sedans – go down a storm in other markets, though. Especially the US, which explains the location of this car’s world debut. If it’s to remain a US-centric car, expect petrol and hybrid models to be prioritised over diesel.
Like what you see so far? Think it should come to Europe, or are we better off with our Golfs?
This is the new Volkswagen Jetta. Well, it’s an illustration of it. The actual car will be shown at the Detroit motor show in January, and these sketches suggests it’ll be a reasonably sleek saloon with hints of the VW Arteon.
There’s a bold hexagonal grille, a big slash down the side and a narrow window line, as well as ginormous wheels. How much of that is down to the cartoonish nature of the sketches we’ll know in a few weeks. Inside, it looks like there will be high-res media screens aplently, including the ‘virtual cockpit’ dials that are now used in most VW Group stuff.
The big question is if it’ll come to the UK. The Jetta has long been a forgotten part of the UK line up, especially given it hasn’t really kept up with the generation changes and tech updates of its VW Golf relative. The outgoing Jetta feels several stages removed from the current Mk7 Golf, and it’s no longer available to order in Britain.
Small saloons – or, indeed, sedans – go down a storm in other markets, though. Especially the US, which explains the location of this car’s world debut. If it’s to remain a US-centric car, expect petrol and hybrid models to be prioritised over diesel.
Like what you see so far? Think it should come to Europe, or are we better off with our Golfs?
#427
Azine Jabroni
Nice drawing. Everything looks longer than it will likely be at release.
#428
Moderator
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/det...-been-replaced
The Volkswagen Jetta is now more coupe-like, apparently. But it's not for the UK
This is the new Volkswagen Jetta, freshly unveiled at the 2018 Detroit motor show. Before you get too attached to it, it won’t be coming to the UK.
Is that a great shame? It all depends on how much you like the looks. Previous Jettas have been little more than a Golf saloon – and probably a bit dumpier than their hatchback base – but this one is a little more svelte. It’s probably not as ‘coupe-like’ as VW would like you to believe, but it’s smart enough.
The Jetta is VW’s best-selling car in America. And funnily enough, VW isn’t trumpeting diesel power. It comes with a 1.4-litre turbo petrol engine with 147bhp and 184lb ft, linked to either a six-speed manual or eight-speed auto.
There’s a ton of safety equipment on offer – all the lane assist and active cruise stuff that’s the stepping stones to self-driving – while VW proudly shouts about its six-year/72,000-mile aftercare, which it calls the ‘People First Warranty’.
Like tech? VW’s digital cockpit is on the options list, as is comprehensive phone linkup (Apple CarPlay, Android Auto and MirrorLink) and a 400-watt Beats stereo.
The Jetta is longer and wider than before, with most of its extra length in the wheelbase. VW describes it as ‘fun to drive’, and if you go for the R-Line trim you’ll get an electronic differential setup on the front axle. Even if it hasn’t quite got enough power to really cause trouble.
Perhaps VW should bring back the Jetta GTI to compensate. Then we’ll start the campaign to get it to Britain…
This is the new Volkswagen Jetta, freshly unveiled at the 2018 Detroit motor show. Before you get too attached to it, it won’t be coming to the UK.
Is that a great shame? It all depends on how much you like the looks. Previous Jettas have been little more than a Golf saloon – and probably a bit dumpier than their hatchback base – but this one is a little more svelte. It’s probably not as ‘coupe-like’ as VW would like you to believe, but it’s smart enough.
The Jetta is VW’s best-selling car in America. And funnily enough, VW isn’t trumpeting diesel power. It comes with a 1.4-litre turbo petrol engine with 147bhp and 184lb ft, linked to either a six-speed manual or eight-speed auto.
There’s a ton of safety equipment on offer – all the lane assist and active cruise stuff that’s the stepping stones to self-driving – while VW proudly shouts about its six-year/72,000-mile aftercare, which it calls the ‘People First Warranty’.
Like tech? VW’s digital cockpit is on the options list, as is comprehensive phone linkup (Apple CarPlay, Android Auto and MirrorLink) and a 400-watt Beats stereo.
The Jetta is longer and wider than before, with most of its extra length in the wheelbase. VW describes it as ‘fun to drive’, and if you go for the R-Line trim you’ll get an electronic differential setup on the front axle. Even if it hasn’t quite got enough power to really cause trouble.
Perhaps VW should bring back the Jetta GTI to compensate. Then we’ll start the campaign to get it to Britain…
#429
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#432
Azine Jabroni
I'd have to see it in action, but that interface looks unusable. Of course, these photos are designed to make the seats look more spacious, so the UI looks further away.
#433
Moderator
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ne-test-review
If you observe closely, the new, seventh-generation Volkswagen Jetta has a tell. Ignore the strakes on the hood that make it appear something like a shrunken Passat. Don’t be fooled by the shiny chrome exhaust tips integrated into the rear-bumper valance—they’re fake. Instead, trace the major character line from the little badge on the passenger front fender back along its length. There, hiding within the crease in the metal, is the Jetta’s fuel-filler door. Look familiar? Of course it does: It’s nearly the same shape as on the Golf, the Jetta’s once-again platform-mate.
Highs: Lower price, new tech features, drives like a Golf . . . almost.
Lows: Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, not in handling and braking.
For 2019, the Jetta moves to the MQB platform, VW’s do-everything, be-everything architecture, which made its U.S. debut in the 2015 Golf (and also underpins the Tiguan and Atlas as well as the Audi A3 and TT). The Jetta now shares many components with the seventh-gen Golf, including its steering and front suspension, crash structures, HVAC, infotainment software, and even its 13.2-gallon gas tank. But no sheetmetal. Certainly the relationship is more complicated than it was in the era when the Jetta was a Rabbit with a trunk grafted to its hindquarters.
But it’s from axle to axle and under the hood that the sedan diverges most from the hatch. VW stretches the Jetta’s wheelbase to 105.7 inches, nearly two inches longer than the Golf’s, and the Jetta’s overhangs make it almost a foot and a half longer overall. Yet the sedan is not legitimately cavernous inside. Rear passengers get 1.8 inches more legroom than in the Golf, though they’ll sacrifice almost an inch of headroom. And don’t plan on seating three adults across the back, as the Jetta’s middle seat is cramped. About that trunk: It has shrunk in the new model relative to the previous Jetta, although the Golf’s comparatively enormous cargo hold is more a testament to efficient hatchback packaging than any deficiency of the sedan.
The Jetta’s turbocharged 1.4-liter four carries over from last year and is the only engine available—at least until the sporting GLI launches next year. With just 147 horsepower, the 1.4 is down 23 horsepower to the Golf’s 1.8-liter; although, when paired with manual transmissions, both engines make 184 pound-feet of torque. (Automatic Golfs have 199 pound-feet.)
The new Jetta gets upgraded gearboxes: a new automatic with eight gears rather than six, and a slick six-speed manual that replaces the commodity-car five-speed. Fuel economy grows by as much as 7 mpg, with all Jettas now hitting 30 mpg in the city and 40 on the highway, per the EPA. Sadly, the manual is available only on base S-trim cars, with other trims, including the R-Line tested here, getting the automatic.
The Jetta feels punchy, with excellent throttle response and virtually no turbo lag. If you boot it off the line, even the automatic-equipped car will squeal its front tires and trip the traction-control system. However, a clean launch with the eight-speed produces only a 7.7-second zero-to-60-mph time, merely average for the class. The most recent Golf we tested isn’t any quicker, although it is more fun to explore the upper reaches of its tachometer, where its bigger engine shines. Revving beyond 5000 in the Jetta yields no reward, aural or otherwise, and the automatic will grab a higher gear by 6000 rpm anyway. Although you can shift the eight-speed yourself, this transmission favors smooth over snap.
Indeed, smooth is the Jetta’s mien, a yacht rocker rather than a hard rocker. It is noticeably and measurably quieter than the Golf. Also softer, with more body roll and less feedback through the steering and chassis. But otherwise the siblings drive and ride similarly, with a light steering weight and good impact absorption. The new Jetta uses the same front struts and steering system as the Golf, although Volkswagen reverted to a rear torsion beam for the Jetta. In a small concession to sportiness, R-Line models get a brake-based torque-vectoring system on the front axle. Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 Plus tires in either 16- or 17-inch size shunt steering feel but don’t keep the Jetta from matching the Golf’s 0.83-g roadholding. Braking performance is poor, however, with the Jetta covering 191 feet to stop from 70 mph, which puts it behind the Golf and at the back of the compact segment.
The new Jetta leapfrogs its platform-mate in one area: Digital Cockpit. Four years ago, a larger version of this 10.3-inch reconfigurable screen, which replaces the traditional speedometer and tachometer, was auto-show hoopla from Audi. Now Volkswagen offers it as an enticement to spend $25,265 for the SEL trim; it’s a feature unavailable on any Golf save for the stratospherically priced, $40,000-plus Golf R. Even without it, though, lower-trim Jettas have a great analog cockpit. One pod encircles the main instrument panel and infotainment system, with the touchscreen perched high on the dashboard and canted toward the driver. This seamless control center proclaims the Jetta’s driver-centric mission even if it’s not actually a driver’s car.
The Jetta is good, certainly better than previous generations. The old cut-rate interior is much improved. The Jetta now offers one of the most comprehensive feature sets in its class, and the price even gets an across-the-board trim. You can drive one away for as little as $19,395, which undercuts competitors like the Honda Civic and the Toyota Corolla by a few hundred dollars. But like most carmakers, Volkswagen reserves the stuff you want—whether it’s a bigger touchscreen or an upgraded audio system or adaptive cruise control—for the higher trim levels. The Jetta is less expensive than the Golf, too, by more than $2000. Also, you get what you pay for. The Jetta is not as much fun to drive as the Golf. Its performance attributes are not as well balanced. If you look again at that little rhomboid aperture on the Jetta’s flank but this time widen your gaze, you’ll notice that it is not the snug-fitting puzzle piece of its twin, the Golf, where its sides run parallel to the fender-panel edges. That’s the real tell, a metaphor for all the ways this new Jetta is not as precise, not as perfectly executed, as its exceptional sibling.
The Golf with a trunk returns, sort of.
If you observe closely, the new, seventh-generation Volkswagen Jetta has a tell. Ignore the strakes on the hood that make it appear something like a shrunken Passat. Don’t be fooled by the shiny chrome exhaust tips integrated into the rear-bumper valance—they’re fake. Instead, trace the major character line from the little badge on the passenger front fender back along its length. There, hiding within the crease in the metal, is the Jetta’s fuel-filler door. Look familiar? Of course it does: It’s nearly the same shape as on the Golf, the Jetta’s once-again platform-mate.
Highs: Lower price, new tech features, drives like a Golf . . . almost.
Lows: Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, not in handling and braking.
For 2019, the Jetta moves to the MQB platform, VW’s do-everything, be-everything architecture, which made its U.S. debut in the 2015 Golf (and also underpins the Tiguan and Atlas as well as the Audi A3 and TT). The Jetta now shares many components with the seventh-gen Golf, including its steering and front suspension, crash structures, HVAC, infotainment software, and even its 13.2-gallon gas tank. But no sheetmetal. Certainly the relationship is more complicated than it was in the era when the Jetta was a Rabbit with a trunk grafted to its hindquarters.
But it’s from axle to axle and under the hood that the sedan diverges most from the hatch. VW stretches the Jetta’s wheelbase to 105.7 inches, nearly two inches longer than the Golf’s, and the Jetta’s overhangs make it almost a foot and a half longer overall. Yet the sedan is not legitimately cavernous inside. Rear passengers get 1.8 inches more legroom than in the Golf, though they’ll sacrifice almost an inch of headroom. And don’t plan on seating three adults across the back, as the Jetta’s middle seat is cramped. About that trunk: It has shrunk in the new model relative to the previous Jetta, although the Golf’s comparatively enormous cargo hold is more a testament to efficient hatchback packaging than any deficiency of the sedan.
The Jetta’s turbocharged 1.4-liter four carries over from last year and is the only engine available—at least until the sporting GLI launches next year. With just 147 horsepower, the 1.4 is down 23 horsepower to the Golf’s 1.8-liter; although, when paired with manual transmissions, both engines make 184 pound-feet of torque. (Automatic Golfs have 199 pound-feet.)
The new Jetta gets upgraded gearboxes: a new automatic with eight gears rather than six, and a slick six-speed manual that replaces the commodity-car five-speed. Fuel economy grows by as much as 7 mpg, with all Jettas now hitting 30 mpg in the city and 40 on the highway, per the EPA. Sadly, the manual is available only on base S-trim cars, with other trims, including the R-Line tested here, getting the automatic.
The Jetta feels punchy, with excellent throttle response and virtually no turbo lag. If you boot it off the line, even the automatic-equipped car will squeal its front tires and trip the traction-control system. However, a clean launch with the eight-speed produces only a 7.7-second zero-to-60-mph time, merely average for the class. The most recent Golf we tested isn’t any quicker, although it is more fun to explore the upper reaches of its tachometer, where its bigger engine shines. Revving beyond 5000 in the Jetta yields no reward, aural or otherwise, and the automatic will grab a higher gear by 6000 rpm anyway. Although you can shift the eight-speed yourself, this transmission favors smooth over snap.
Indeed, smooth is the Jetta’s mien, a yacht rocker rather than a hard rocker. It is noticeably and measurably quieter than the Golf. Also softer, with more body roll and less feedback through the steering and chassis. But otherwise the siblings drive and ride similarly, with a light steering weight and good impact absorption. The new Jetta uses the same front struts and steering system as the Golf, although Volkswagen reverted to a rear torsion beam for the Jetta. In a small concession to sportiness, R-Line models get a brake-based torque-vectoring system on the front axle. Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 Plus tires in either 16- or 17-inch size shunt steering feel but don’t keep the Jetta from matching the Golf’s 0.83-g roadholding. Braking performance is poor, however, with the Jetta covering 191 feet to stop from 70 mph, which puts it behind the Golf and at the back of the compact segment.
The new Jetta leapfrogs its platform-mate in one area: Digital Cockpit. Four years ago, a larger version of this 10.3-inch reconfigurable screen, which replaces the traditional speedometer and tachometer, was auto-show hoopla from Audi. Now Volkswagen offers it as an enticement to spend $25,265 for the SEL trim; it’s a feature unavailable on any Golf save for the stratospherically priced, $40,000-plus Golf R. Even without it, though, lower-trim Jettas have a great analog cockpit. One pod encircles the main instrument panel and infotainment system, with the touchscreen perched high on the dashboard and canted toward the driver. This seamless control center proclaims the Jetta’s driver-centric mission even if it’s not actually a driver’s car.
The Jetta is good, certainly better than previous generations. The old cut-rate interior is much improved. The Jetta now offers one of the most comprehensive feature sets in its class, and the price even gets an across-the-board trim. You can drive one away for as little as $19,395, which undercuts competitors like the Honda Civic and the Toyota Corolla by a few hundred dollars. But like most carmakers, Volkswagen reserves the stuff you want—whether it’s a bigger touchscreen or an upgraded audio system or adaptive cruise control—for the higher trim levels. The Jetta is less expensive than the Golf, too, by more than $2000. Also, you get what you pay for. The Jetta is not as much fun to drive as the Golf. Its performance attributes are not as well balanced. If you look again at that little rhomboid aperture on the Jetta’s flank but this time widen your gaze, you’ll notice that it is not the snug-fitting puzzle piece of its twin, the Golf, where its sides run parallel to the fender-panel edges. That’s the real tell, a metaphor for all the ways this new Jetta is not as precise, not as perfectly executed, as its exceptional sibling.
#434
Moderator
#435
Ex-OEM King
Yawn. Buy the Golf.
#437
Moderator
Saw one at the dealer when I drove the Autobahn, poked around in it when they were bringing the GTI around. It was a pretty basic model, but didn't seem bad. In the compact sedan market though, I'd probably go Civic or Mazda3 well before the Jetta.
Hopefully the GLI gets something like the 2.0T + DSG. The Alltrack already seems lacking in the power department & this has even less
#439
Moderator
^ Maybe, but it's CVT only in Touring trim.
#440
Chicks will still buy it [/patriarchy]