Originally Posted by Beltfed
https://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/r32_01.jpg https://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/r32_02.jpg https://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/r32_03.jpg https://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/r32_04.jpg Source: VWVortex. |
Bleh... the old one looked far more aggressive. This one looks far too soft for the R32 badge. And I don't see how a 9 hp increase over these HP-war-filled 5 years is acceptable. I know it'll handle like a dream and the DSG gearbox always makes me drool, but still. 250hp won't cut it in NA and VW knows it. Hopefully they'll make our version more aggressive lookin, too.
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/r32_01.jpg http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/golf02r32_03.jpg |
^^^:agree:^^^
New grill looks better on an SUV. Old face looks a lot better. |
meh. I like the old one better
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i want those seats
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Looks cool but 32,000 euros???? Lordy that's a lot-o-cash. :eek:
$40,000 USD / $48,000 CDN is asking a little too much IMO. I guess the 300hp R36 would probably end up in the low to mid 50's which is completely insane. |
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Looks cool but 32,000 euros???? Lordy that's a lot-o-cash. :eek:
$40,000 USD / $48,000 CDN is asking a little too much IMO. I guess the 300hp R36 would probably end up in the low to mid 50's which is completely insane. Don't count out an R36 Jetta yet either. |
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Looks cool but 32,000 euros???? Lordy that's a lot-o-cash. :eek:
$40,000 USD / $48,000 CDN is asking a little too much IMO. I guess the 300hp R36 would probably end up in the low to mid 50's which is completely insane. Prices in Europe do not reflect those in the USA. Cars are a lot cheaper here. |
What does the current R32 go for on this side of the pond?
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
What does the current R32 go for on this side of the pond?
Around 30k. |
Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Around 30k.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
That's better but still pretty expensive for a golf.
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nice seats and exhausts
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
Bleh... the old one looked far more aggressive. This one looks far too soft for the R32 badge. And I don't see how a 9 hp increase over these HP-war-filled 5 years is acceptable. I know it'll handle like a dream and the DSG gearbox always makes me drool, but still. 250hp won't cut it in NA and VW knows it. Hopefully they'll make our version more aggressive lookin, too.
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Golf GT - 168HP from 1.4L
Golf charges to world-first - - Source: AUtoexpress
How do you get 168bhp from a 1.4-litre car? Simple: create what's believed to be the world's first turbocharged supercharger. VW has done exactly that on an FSI petrol engine which debuts next year in the Golf GT. ... The GT's pioneering 'super-turbo' technology will deliver 240Nm of torque - that's only 40Nm less than the GTI - and 0-60mph in eight seconds. Mated to a six-speed manual or DSG auto box, the car will have lowered suspension, a GTI-style front grille, twin exhausts and unique alloys. Meanwhile, the facelifted Beetle is due in September. Two higher-spec Luna versions replace the base 1.4 and 1.6-litre cars, starting at £11,245. |
I am very curious to see how exactly this engine works.
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wow.... I am like "super" impressed!!!! :) 168HP from 1.4L... nice. that must have set a new record. Wait, isn't the torque number even more impressive? Am I reading correct? 258 ft-lbs??? is that right??? :eek:
ps. I have something for the Audi buyers.... :tomato: |
Originally Posted by srika
wow.... I am like "super" impressed!!!! :) 168HP from 1.4L... nice. that must have set a new record. Wait, isn't the torque number even more impressive? Am I reading correct? 258 ft-lbs??? is that right??? :eek:
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Originally Posted by gavriil
240 Nm = 177 lb-ft
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
Torque and diesels go hand in hand, no big deal there. If this thing redlines past 6000RPM then I will be impressed. You'd think it was easy to do with such a small displacement engine but you never know with diesels.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
This is no diesel engine. Petrol = gasoline.
Also, I've heard of a "supercharged turbocharger" type deal on a diesel before, never on a gasoline engine. |
There is no way in hell I would pay $33k for a 250hp Golf R32. Not when a GTI with 200hp is going to be $10k less.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
There is no way in hell I would pay $33k for a 250hp Golf R32. Not when a GTI with 200hp is going to be $10k less.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
Chances are the R36 will be coming to the U.S. and will make 300hp.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
Chances are the R36 will be coming to the U.S. and will make 300hp.
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New VW engine packs a One-Two Punch; 2006 Golf gets SuperTurbo system - - Source: Autoweek
Volkswagen will reach into the past for a combined supercharger-turbocharger system to boost power and fuel economy in its small gasoline engines. The system, dubbed SuperTurbo Compounding by supercharger supplier Eaton, eliminates turbo lag while boosting overall power and fuel economy by 15 to 20 percent. Eaton, the apparent supplier of the supercharger for the engine, says a car fitted with the system will likely be shown at the upcoming Frankfurt show. Engineers have combined superchargers and turbochargers in the past, most notably in World War II-era aircraft to avoid engine power losses at higher altitudes. Automotive applications have been limited, but include an Abarth-developed system used on the 1985 Lancia Delta S4 rally car. Today’s computers make the complex induction system seamless in the new application, which uses a mechanical supercharger operating at low engine speeds to increase low-end torque, and a turbocharger engaging at middling revs to provide added muscle up high. Once the turbo reaches sufficient speed to provide boost, a clutch disengages the supercharger and an induction valve closes, bypassing the supercharger. VW’s plans call for widespread use of the system, starting with a 1.4-liter direct-injection engine that is expected to debut in the 2006 Golf before heading into other VW models. Two different versions of the 1.4-liter engine are planned. In standard guise the four-valve-per-cylinder unit kicks out 140 hp and 184 lb-ft of torque, with a more performance-oriented variant producing 170 hp and 199 lb-ft. By comparison, VW’s existing 2.0-liter four-cylinder delivers 150 hp and 148 lb-ft. Also under way at VW are more powerful 1.6-liter and 2.0-liter versions of the supercharged/turbocharged engine with a rumored 195 hp and 240 hp, respectively. Eaton officials said the system will initially appear on cars in Europe where it is expected to compete with turbodiesel engines. The system also could be fitted to diesels, but its future in the North American market could depend on fuel prices and demands for bigger engines. “In the U.S., displacement is still king,” said one Eaton exec. |
Also under way at VW are more powerful 1.6-liter and 2.0-liter versions of the supercharged/turbocharged engine with a rumored 195 hp and 240 hp, respectively. |
“In the U.S., displacement is still king,” said one Eaton exec. |
OMG ... Can you imagine the repair bill on that?
"I'm sorry. That's not covered under warranty. It will be 11ty6 gajillion dollars to fix. Thankyoucomeagainkthxbi." |
SuperTurbo Compounding :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by charliemike
OMG ... Can you imagine the repair bill on that?
"I'm sorry. That's not covered under warranty. It will be 11ty6 gajillion dollars to fix. Thankyoucomeagainkthxbi." Yeah but I am sure it wont break often. These things are pretty reliable nowadays. |
Seems pretty logical. Was looking at the srt4 vs cobalt ss comparo and it was the ss off the line up to 60 where both were even and then the srt walked away, would be nice to combine the best of both worlds.
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There is no reason other than fitment why the R32 is not an R36 with 280hp. They already have the engine in production in the B6 Passat.
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In one word...clean. From every angle.
VW claims that the reason for this is actually gas prices. They are investing big into making engines of 1.4 liters of LESS more powerful due to gas prices. This makes a ton of sense for Europe, no doubt. TSI stands for Turbocharged Stratified Injection. Finally, I wonder what the boost meter exactly measures. Boost of the turbo, the supercharger, or total boost? I am guessing, the latter. |
that is one tight ass engine bay, and by tight i mean cramped.
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Originally Posted by bigman
that is one tight ass engine bay, and by tight i mean cramped.
Makes sense. When you have a supercharge AND a turbo, there is tons of plumbing to fit and direct around places. This engine bay though will easily fit a V6 engine. |
Originally Posted by gavriil
Yeah but I am sure it wont break often. These things are pretty reliable nowadays.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
In one word...clean. From every angle.
VW claims that the reason for this is actually gas prices. They are investing big into making engines of 1.4 liters of LESS more powerful due to gas prices. This makes a ton of sense for Europe, no doubt. TSI stands for Turbocharged Stratified Injection. Finally, I wonder what the boost meter exactly measures. Boost of the turbo, the supercharger, or total boost? I am guessing, the latter. |
Super Turbo: We take Volkswagen's new Twincharger engine for a spin - - By GREG KABLE - - Source: Autoweek
Driven by spiraling gasoline prices and ever stringent emission regulations, the push is on at Volkswagen to introduce a range of small engines, all with reduced fuel consumption and emissions, capable of delivering the sort of power one might expect of their larger-capacity cousins. It’s a tough task, but if VW’s newest Twincharger engine (Aug. 29) is any indication, Wolfsburg could be onto something. Fitted to the European-market Golf GT, the 1.4-liter four-cylinder uses supercharging and turbocharging to boost output, picking up on an idea introduced by Nissan on its Japan-market March. The supercharger boosts low-end response and flattens the torque curve, while the turbocharger strengthens the top end. The Twincharger delivers 170 hp at 6000 rpm and 177 lb-ft of torque from 1750 to 4500 rpm—20 hp and 29 lb-ft more than VW’s 2.0-liter FSI four-cylinder. The result is serious pull off the line, with a sturdy 147 lb-ft of torque available from just 1250 rpm. The induction system makes the four-valve-per-cylinder unit extraordinarily responsive, extremely flexible and wonderfully linear well beyond the 2400-rpm peak where the supercharger begins to disengage. At that point the turbocharger is already providing a decent amount of boost, without any discernable change to the driver. There is no turbo lag, and no undue harshness or supercharger whine, even when the little four hits its 7300-rpm redline. VW says the Twincharger Golf GT’s 0-to-62-mph time is 7.9 seconds, down from 8.8 seconds for the Golf 2.0-liter FSI. A better reflection of the new engine’s enthusiastic nature is the 50-to-75-mph time, which is reduced by a second. Top speed is extended by 6 mph to 136 mph. VW also claims better fuel economy, reduced emissions and lower engine noise levels, though there is an odd whistle from the turbocharger as it comes off boost. If this is the future of gasoline engines, it may mean diesel powerplants have already hit an all-time high in the marketplace. |
Pretty impressive. Vw has been coming out with some really innovative technology that I hope catches - especially this and DSG.
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I sat in the new GTI over the summer. The interior kicks ass and the seats are soo supportive!
Gonna be one fun little car! |
Glad to see they are coming out now...And here I was thinking I was special for seeing them all over London...
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Wow, that is tits!:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
Wow, that is tits!:thumbsup:
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Man, I could upgrade to this for about $6k + T&T ... That's gonna be a tough decision.
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I looks great.
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Looks nice, hope everything goes well with the mechanical quality.
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I just realized ... No Navi on the GTI? :(
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Why not? Thats a GTI with nav above.
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
Why not? Thats a GTI with nav above.
VW in their infinite wisdom still has the Golf IV GTI on their website. :rolleyes: |
you can get navi
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