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Old 10-30-2015, 10:10 AM
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The difference between Toyota/GM issues is that they were not on purpose. VW had intent to cheat the system. If the lawyers can prove that there were deaths of the result of this. Well the shit will hit the fan



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Manslaughter charge...wow....
Old 10-30-2015, 12:18 PM
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The difference between Toyota/GM issues is that they were not on purpose. VW had intent to cheat the system. If the lawyers can prove that there were deaths of the result of this. Well the shit will hit the fan
Yea for sure. Making a mistake vs doing something wrong on purpose is a big difference......
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Originally Posted by Black Tire
The difference between Toyota/GM issues is that they were not on purpose. VW had intent to cheat the system. If the lawyers can prove that there were deaths of the result of this. Well the shit will hit the fan
Then most diesel car makers would be sued since I'm pretty sure all of their engineers know that in the real world their cars emit more than the EPA limits. As is with the education system, they program for the test. The only diff at this point is that VW has acknowledged it.
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As is with the education system, they program for the test.
Still waiting for the dominos to fall on the other OEM's... oh that's right, its not.
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Saw this on FB (thanks JS+BRZ)

BREAKING: VW Used Emissions Cheat on Audi and Porsche Diesels

​Turns out, Volkswagen's diesel cheat isn't just limited to the 2.0-liter TDI four-cylinder: The Environmental Protection Agency just published findings that indicate that the VW Group's 3.0-liter TDI V6 also use cheating software to emit far beyond the legal limit of NOx.

The EPA reports that diesel-powered versions of the 2014 VW Touareg and 2015 Porsche Cayenne feature the same software cheat first discovered in 2.0-liter TDI Volkswagens. The cheat was also found on model year 2016 Audi A6 Quattro, A7 Quattro, A8, A8L, and Q5 models. The EPA says that models equipped with this engine had the same cheating software first discovered on four-cylinder TDI Volkswagens in September, which only activated the vehicle's emissions control devices when a complex software feature detected that the car was undergoing emissions testing.

It keeps getting worse for VW.
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Old 11-02-2015, 01:28 PM
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no surprise here.

if they used the software on their 4 cylinder TDI cars, what would stop them from using it on their V6 TDI cars.

I would not even be surprised if they use it on all of their cars including the Petro ones right now.
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Cheap Audi and Porsche cars then...?!?!??
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oh boy.......lol...
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Cheap Audi and Porsche cars then...?!?!??
It is a good time to LEASE a TDI tho.... i would totally lease 1 right now.

you dont have to worry about the depreciation and enjoy the discount.
How many of those fuckers who bought car because they actually care about the environment.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
It is a good time to LEASE a TDI tho.... i would totally lease 1 right now.

you dont have to worry about the depreciation and enjoy the discount.
How many of those fuckers who bought car because they actually care about the environment.
Cant. Stop sale. I tried.
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fuck... i guess they are smarter than me.
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I've also noticed like, no VW commercials on TV the last week or so...I usually see at least a couple. Or is it just me?
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
I've also noticed like, no VW commercials on TV the last week or so...I usually see at least a couple. Or is it just me?
just you... or maybe just Canada.

i saw one last night.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
just you... or maybe just Canada.

i saw one last night.
What's their slogan now? Das screwed? Or Das cheating?
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
fuck... i guess they are smarter than me.
The stop sale was put in place almost immediately.
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The stop sale was put in place almost immediately.
Kinda like when the NSX was announced.





























That's why it's on perma-postponement/vaporness.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
What's their slogan now? Das screwed? Or Das cheating?
Das wrasist!
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Das wrasist!
Cuz, Das hattter.
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New Audi, Porsche, VW models found to have cheat device

I guess Porsche SUV's will be on sale soon...

New Audi, Porsche, VW models found to have cheat device - Business - CBC News

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Environmental regulators have detected three new diesel models, including cars by Audi and Porsche, which have defeat devices installed to cheat on emissions testing.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued a notice of violation today to Volkswagen AG, Audi AG and Porsche AG, over the following vehicles:

2014 VW Touareg.
2015 Porsche Cayenne.
2016 Audi A6 Quattro, A7 Quattro, A8, A8L, and Q5.

It is the second such notice of violation issued to Volkswagen by the EPA in its emissions testing scandal. It is the first time Audi and Porsche have been confirmed as creating cars with the cheat device.

These vehicles from the model years 2014 to 2016 all have 3-litre engines, unlike the earlier notice, which affected models with 2-litre engines.

The cars have software that ensures they emit less than the legal limit of nitrogen oxide during testing conditions, but revert to "normal" mode and emit nine times the legal limit in road conditions, an EPA spokesman said.

The vehicles have one or more auxiliary emission control devices that the company failed to disclose to regulators as required by law.

The EPA, the California Air Resources Board and Environment Canada began testing all 2015 and 2016 diesel models available in North America in September, using new testing procedures.

The NOV is based on vehicle emission testing performed by the EPA's National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory, CARB's Haagen-Smit Laboratory, and Environment Canada's River Road Laboratory.

About 10,000 cars on U.S. roads are affected. The number of Canadian cars is not yet known.

These violations are in addition to the notice of violation issued on Sept. 18 and the ongoing investigation on certain 2.0 litre engines for 2009-15 vehicles.

Testing is ongoing, said Janet McCabe, assistant administrator for the EPA Office of Air and Radiation, in a media conference call. She said the environmental regulator has been communicating with Volkswagen about a recall plan and appropriate fix for the vehicles named in the first notice of violation, but has yet to see a satisfactory fix.

"Today we are requiring VW Group to address these issues. This is a very serious public health matter," said Richard Corey, executive officer of the California Air Resources Board.

Exposure to ozone and particulate matter caused by diesel emissions has been associated with premature death due to respiratory-related or cardiovascular-related effects. Children, the elderly, and people with pre-existing respiratory disease are particularly at risk of health effects.
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to Summarize, pretty much all Diesel cars produced by VW.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
to Summarize, pretty much all Diesel cars produced by VW.
Well..looks like it's more than just diesel cars now....

VW Emissions Issues Spread to Gasoline Cars
VW Emissions Issues Spread to Gasoline Cars - Bloomberg Business
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
no surprise here.

if they used the software on their 4 cylinder TDI cars, what would stop them from using it on their V6 TDI cars.

I would not even be surprised if they use it on all of their cars including the Petro ones right now.
I dont usually quote myself, but when i do. I am fucking right!
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To VW...

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/03/news...l-consumption/



Originally Posted by iforyou
Well..looks like it's more than just diesel cars now....

VW Emissions Issues Spread to Gasoline Cars
VW Emissions Issues Spread to Gasoline Cars - Bloomberg Business
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Understating CO2 emissions is the same as saying fuel economy as good as advertised?
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Yup, Volkswagen is gonna get a hurt real bad. But, frankly...they deserve every fine, lawsuit thrown at them.

Despicable.
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Volkswagen. Das in-deep-doo-doo.
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I agree. I have noticed no VW commercials and very few Audi commercials in the past 2 weeks here up in Toronto. I do see many Mercedes and BMW commercials. Both Mercedes and BMW must have huge smiles on their faces.

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I've also noticed like, no VW commercials on TV the last week or so...I usually see at least a couple. Or is it just me?
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When I read stuff like this, you just know VW is outright lying on what's going on. How can a corporation not know what their product is doing? Now they are trying to deny any knowledge of what's going on even though the cat is out of the bag.


Pressure grows on Volkswagen as bad news piles up

Late Tuesday, VW said it had also found "unexplained inconsistencies" in emissions from some of its vehicles of carbon dioxide. The cars were sold under the Volkswagen, Audi, SEAT and Skoda brands, most of them in Europe and none in the United States.
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Originally Posted by Black Tire
I agree. I have noticed no VW commercials and very few Audi commercials in the past 2 weeks here up in Toronto. I do see many Mercedes and BMW commercials. Both Mercedes and BMW must have huge smiles on their faces.
Honestly, as far as sales # goes, BMW/Merc really dont care about VW/Audi since they were never a threat anyways.

It is more like a rivalry kind of thing... or in our language, the hattters.
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It is actually Toyota that is competing with the VW group for the global dominance.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Volkswagen. Das in-deep-doo-doo.



biker, who still thinks this is much ado about nothing.
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I just hit the google button and didn't find much under "Castle Gardens Ford" but whatevs.

Creepy note placer needs to get up to speed on the modern global economy. All the large OEMS build teh cars in all major markets. Art Vandalay import/export.
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Honda alone could meet the standards without degradition of performance or need of Urea but cost were too high.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3d066...#axzz3qqrBUGpP

Mazda in the US said it had concluded it could produce a diesel that met US standards without using urea. But, when the controls were in use, the vehicle’s acceleration and fuel economy suffered. When engineers made the vehicle drive as intended, emissions performance suffered.
“We were able to meet both our emission and our performance goals outside the US,” the company said. “But with [US emissions] standards being as strict as they are, we couldn’t do so here.”

Honda said its Acura luxury brand considered “a few years ago” bringing a diesel-powered version of its TSX sedan to the US market, using non-urea technology. But the system would have required “some changes” to account for emissions standards in California, which are higher than those in Europe.
We were capable of meeting the standards but the increased cost to the customer combined with the concurrent higher cost of diesel fuel negated the potential fuel economy benefit,” the company said.
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What's their slogan now? Das screwed? Or Das cheating?
Das Smokey.
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Unless Americans are the only ones left, there is still Korean and Japanese.

They will need to give me some good reasons not to buy those before i am convinced to buy American...
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Honda alone could meet the standards without degradition of performance or need of Urea but cost were too high.
A lot of companies can meet the emission standards without hurting performance and also without the use of urea.

But like Honda, the cost would be too high.

Put it this way, the main issue at this moment is that it's impossible to make a diesel powertrain that can meet standards, make decent power, deliver great fuel economy, while being urea-free and cheap to manufacture.

While others were betting on hybrid technologies, VW put their money in diesel. Long and behold, they also couldn't figure out something that is competitive with the hybrids and in the end, had to rely on cheating.
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They will need to give me some good reasons not to buy those before i am convinced to buy American...
Golf R versus Focus RS should be a fun tilt. My vote is for 'Murica!
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Golf R should never even be on the list for the $$ they want.
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A lot of companies can meet the emission standards without hurting performance and also without the use of urea.

But like Honda, the cost would be too high.

Put it this way, the main issue at this moment is that it's impossible to make a diesel powertrain that can meet standards, make decent power, deliver great fuel economy, while being urea-free and cheap to manufacture.

While others were betting on hybrid technologies, VW put their money in diesel. Long and behold, they also couldn't figure out something that is competitive with the hybrids and in the end, had to rely on cheating.
who are the companies who can do it without hurting performance/fuel economic?. i am not even sure what price Acura had in mind for diesel TSX. if the 2008-09 crises hadnt happened they may have brought it here.



Honda Worldwide | July 7, 2015 "Honda sets new GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS? title for fuel efficiency, averaging 2.82 litres per 100km (100.31mpg) in 13,498km (8,387 mile) drive across 24 EU countries"
Honda sets new GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS™ title for fuel efficiency, averaging 2.82 liters per 100km (100.31mpg) in 13,498km (8,387 mile) drive across 24 EU countries

Under the rules of the record title attempt the car must be a standard model in every respect, with no modifications to create an advantage, to replicate ‘real world’ conditions. This was judged by independent witnesses at the beginning and end of the attempt. Fueling was carried out at regular filling stations, with the tank filled to the maximum at each stop to ensure no weight advantage. Additionally, tires were inflated to the recommended pressures and the wheel alignment set to factory specification to represent the experience of the regular customer.


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