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Old 08-23-2009, 03:45 AM
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Volkswagen, Audi: Recall Seven Vehicles for Transmission Problem

HERNDON, Virginia — Volkswagen of America said it is recalling 13,500 2009-'10 Jetta, Jetta SportWagen, GTI and Eos vehicles because a faulty temperature sensor in the DSG transmission may result in the transmission shifting into neutral.

Audi of America also announced a companion recall involving 2,500 of its 2009 Audi A3, Audi TT and TT Roadster models equipped with S tronic transmissions. "Some customers with the affected vehicles have experienced illuminated warning lamps in the dashboard, and in rare instances, reported that the transmission went into neutral," Audi of America said in a statement on Thursday.

Volkswagen's statement said the vehicles involved in the recall "may be affected by a faulty temperature sensor in the DSG transmission. Failure of the temperature sensor could result in illuminated warning lamps in the dashboard, and in rare instances, the transmission may shift into neutral."

Audi and Volkswagen said owners of the affected vehicles will be contacted by the companies in the coming weeks to have vehicles inspected and repaired.

Customers with questions should call Volkswagen at (800) 444-8982 or Audi at (800) 253-2834.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration had yet to post further information about the two recalls on its Web site as of early Thursday afternoon.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...mktid=cj260233

At least this time the cars are loosing power instead of accelerating on its own.
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Volkswagen and Audi are recalling 16,000 vehicles because of transmission problems that make them lose power -- or completely stall -- out of the blue. What's most startling is that they're brand new vehicles .

The U.S. government has been investigating since July 17, but Volkswagen, which owns Audi, did not issue a recall until "Good Morning America" began asking questions.

The cars in question have a new type of transmission called a direct shift gearbox or "DSG," and in some cases they are dying right in the middle of fast-moving traffic.

It happened to Lisa Toler of California, just as she was merging onto the highway.

"You're in motion, but all of a sudden you don't have any acceleration," she described. "The gas wouldn't work."

She says fast-moving traffic streamed around her as she struggled to get over to the side of the road. Dennis Capolongo and his son, Justin, had an eerily similar experience, just as they were merging onto a freeway in Maryland.

"There was no forward motion at all with the car. The engine was just racing and the transmission was just completely slipping," Capolongo explained.

Capolongo said they very nearly had a collision before they managed to maneuver over to the shoulder of the freeway. His 2009 Jetta had 623 miles on it at the time. Toler's Jetta was even newer, with just 81 miles. She had had it for just two days. Other VW drivers have posted videos of their close calls on YouTube. Many say the park, reverse, neutral and drive lights flash on and off like crazy when their transmission goes haywire.

They've even coined a name for it: "The flash of death." "This is a classic safety hazard," said Clarence Ditlow of the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety. "It's a brand new vehicle. Consumers are being stranded on freeways. It's only a matter of time before we have consumers being killed."

Volkswagen says it has not received any reports of injuries or deaths. Ditlow said it's one of the more alarming safety defects his group has seen.

"A typical transmission problem doesn't occur until a year or two into use," Ditlow said. "For a brand new vehicle to stop on you, when you scarcely get it home from the dealership, that's just out of the universe."

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's investigation includes about 50,000 vehicles in all: Any 2008 or 2009 Volkswagen Jetta, Eos, GTI or R32 with a direct shift gearbox or "DSG" transmission.
Any 2008 or 2009 Audi A3, TT or TT Roadster with a Direct Shift Gearbox Transmission, which Audi calls the S-tronic transmission.

Volkswagen's recall is narrower, only affecting 13,500 vehicles, including:
Jettas, Jetta Sportwagens, GTIs and Eos vehicles equipped with the DSG transmission and built between September 2008 and August 2009.
Volkswagen says that includes mostly 2009 model year vehicles and a few 2010 model year vehicles.

About 2,500 Audi vehicles are subject to the recall, including:
Audi A3, TT and TT Roadster vehicles equipped with S-tronic transmissions and built between September 2008 and August 2009.

Audi says that means mostly 2009 model year vehicles plus a handful of 2010s. Additionally, Audi says 667 of the vehicles subject to the recall have not been sold to consumers yet, and will be inspected at dealerships.

Volkswagen and Audi are only recalling about a third of the vehicles the government is investigating and will replace faulty temperature sensors that may have been causing their transmissions to shut down

These appear to be the vehicles that exhibited the flashing activity on the dashboard and then a total loss of power, with the engine shifting into neutral.

But that still leaves another 34,000 vehicles that seem to have a different problem, also related to the transmission.

NHTSA documents mention "lurching," "surging" and "delays in engaging gears." Drivers have reported that their cars then went into "limp home mode" rather than losing power altogether.

GMA asked Volkswagen what is causing that second set of symptoms, and VW said it may be related to the transmission's "mechatronic unit," which is the computer that controls the transmission.

Volkswagen said that issue is still under investigation and that it is cooperating fully with the NHTSA inquiry.

Lisa Toler let the dealership repair her transmission, but she's still uneasy, especially because she had four kids in her car when it stalled on the highway.

"My kids didn't wanna get in the car again after it was fixed," she said. "They're like, 'Is this car gonna break down on us?'"

Dennis Capolongo says some customers have complained online that their DSG transmissions failed again after Volkswagen fixed them. He says he will not be satisfied until he gets a full refund.

"As they were shaking our hands and handing us the keys, they knew," Capolongo said. "And that's what bothers me the most, that they sold us this car knowing that this car has such a defect."
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=8378724&page=1
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I'm probably one of the lucky ones nothing wrong with my car yet.
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The complexity of a DSG was bound to rear its ugly head. The first few years I saw stats that said SMG/DSG type trannies had even higher failure rates that ATs. Yet another reason to stick with a simple MT.
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Since the DSG is a fairly new design, I was always wondering whether a problem like this would emerge. Which company makes the DSG for VW? I also wonder whether the new S4 DSG will be affected by this problem.
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Originally Posted by JD23
Since the DSG is a fairly new design, I was always wondering whether a problem like this would emerge. Which company makes the DSG for VW? I also wonder whether the new S4 DSG will be affected by this problem.
I believe BorgWarner does. And AFAIK, the S4 has a new 7-speed DSG - the current version has 6-speeds. The new design is *supposed* to handle much higher torque loads.
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The temp sensor issue has been known about for a while...it appears there was a change in the sensor type or a bad run of temp sensor units.

Basically the temp unit thinks the tranny is overheating...so it shuts it down.
Tranny is perfectly fine....faulty temp sensor.

<--Dodged the bullet...mfg. before the recall date. Mine runs fine...love it!

The mechatronic issue is odd....some are saying that there is no issue with the mechatronic.......it's really the temp sensor.....but dealers were swapping them out before the recall on the temp sensor.

DSG is sorta bleeding edge of tech.....first adaptors always take the risk.

Props to VW/Audi for doing the right thing and recalling the cars.
FWIW they are doing a better job at admiting the transmission problem and solving the problem for their customers compared to another car maker I owned a car from a while back that wouldn't recall their transmissions...
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Supposedly, VW didn't recall the transmissions until receiving a ton of bad press on Good Morning America. Seems similar to the reaction of most companies - no recall until they are forced.
Old 08-24-2009, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JD23
Supposedly, VW didn't recall the transmissions until receiving a ton of bad press on Good Morning America. Seems similar to the reaction of most companies - no recall until they are forced.
Pretty much...par for the industry....you gotta make a lot of waves....or something really horrible is discovered inside the company that the company lawyers tell you to recall now!!!!

It's all about the $$$$.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
The temp sensor issue has been known about for a while...it appears there was a change in the sensor type or a bad run of temp sensor units.

Basically the temp unit thinks the tranny is overheating...so it shuts it down.
Tranny is perfectly fine....faulty temp sensor.

<--Dodged the bullet...mfg. before the recall date. Mine runs fine...love it!

The mechatronic issue is odd....some are saying that there is no issue with the mechatronic.......it's really the temp sensor.....but dealers were swapping them out before the recall on the temp sensor.

DSG is sorta bleeding edge of tech.....first adaptors always take the risk.

Props to VW/Audi for doing the right thing and recalling the cars.
FWIW they are doing a better job at admiting the transmission problem and solving the problem for their customers compared to another car maker I owned a car from a while back that wouldn't recall their transmissions...
I am actually surprised that the DSG has been out for four years and I think this is the only recall so far.

I always laugh at the media hype though especially since they seem to have such a hard on for the VAG group here in NA. You think they would have learned after the "60 minute" feature in the 80's when they Doctored a Audi 5000 and purposely left out police reports etc etc. How VAG didnt sue CBS for everything I dont know why

Back then CBS came up with the title "out of control" and now it seems to be "Flash of Death" even though this recent recall has had no deaths, injuries, or even an accident related to the DSG recall.

I always laugh at media sensationalism at its best, but its a business like anything else i guess. I was curious and looked up ABC's article on the Honda Airbag issue where nearly half a million vehicles have been recalled and people have been killed and injured from flying shrapnel. Although they mention the death they basically wrote it off as not really a big deal and I dont think it even aired on TV.

IMO that would be a much more interesting TV investigation and of course a catchy title like "Bag of death" or something like that, but it probably wouldnt sell well to the public.

Overall though I agree with you guys that there are people looking over the manufactures and making them more accountable for their vehicles or else we would have more problems like what Mitsubishi was doing earlier in the decade.
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It's only 13k vehicles......that's nothing.... By comparison Toyota just recalled nearly 800k vehicles in China. This is much ado about nothing. DSG transmissions have been great for 4 years plus. They found the batch of faulty sensors and are going to replace them....no conspiracy....no harm no foul.
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That's why it's always a much much better idea to get a manual transmission. You get to control the car, not a computer or sensor.
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That's why it's always a much much better idea to get a manual transmission. You get to control the car, not a computer or sensor.
Unfortunately, manual transmission is really hard to come by nowadays, especially on sedans and upscale vehicles.
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The recall numbers are really small and might even be a component that VAG does not even manufacture itself. IMO not a news story. Regarding the Audi 5000: the "problem" and resulting solution were a good example of how NOT to handle a problem. For younger drivers, I believe this is why we have to step on the brake to take a car out of park.
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odd they keep referring to the temperature sensor itself.... the official info we got at our dealership calls to the wiring to the temp sensor....

What is the problem?

The wiring harness of a temperature sensor in the DSG may have connector wires that were insufficiently crimped by the connector supplier during a limited production period. With insufficiently crimped connector wires, a temperature sensor has the potential to falsely detect a high gearbox oil temperature, causing the transmission to abruptly shift to Neutral. If this happens, the selector lever position indicator within the instrument panel will flash. In addition, the Depress Brake Pedal indicator light will be illuminated, alerting the driver to apply the brakes. In heavy traffic, the abrupt shift to Neutral could lead to a crash without warning.
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VW/Audi steps up to the plate for the customer.

Volkswagen Group of America Announces Customer Service Program
HERNDON, Va., Aug. 28 /PRNewswire/ -- Volkswagen Group of America, Inc. (VWGoA) today announced it would initiate a new customer service program to address concerns raised by its customers with certain Direct Shift Gearboxes (DSG(®)) in Volkswagen and Audi models, and to affirm its confidence in the sophisticated technology represented by those components.

"Safety, customer satisfaction, quality and long-term reliability are top priorities at Volkswagen and Audi. We have been studying the symptoms customers have reported, and are working closely with the NHTSA," said Stefan Jacoby, president and CEO, VWGoA. "We listened to our customers' concerns, and are taking action to address them. We are focused on taking all the appropriate actions to ensure the complete satisfaction of our existing customers."

This new comprehensive service program affects a limited number of model years 2007-2009 Volkswagens and Audis. Covered models are the Volkswagen R32, Jetta, Jetta SportWagen, GTI, Eos, as well as Audi A3 and TT.

Some customers have reported transmission performance issues under certain driving conditions. This was due to a faulty component inside the Mechatronic unit within a limited production range. VWGoA will repair or replace the components in the transmissions of approximately 43,000 Volkswagens and 10,300 Audis at no charge to the vehicles' owners. Additionally, VWGoA will reimburse customers who have had this repaired at their own expense.

The company has begun increasing the parts supply to expedite this customer service program. As the parts become available, owners of the affected vehicles will be contacted to schedule an appointment at their dealer. The company will make loaner vehicles available at no charge.

In the meantime, owners who may have experienced problems with their transmissions are requested to contact their dealers or the Audi/Volkswagen toll-free customer service numbers (see below).

This new customer service program is unrelated to a voluntary safety recall that VWGoA announced August 20. Under that recall, VWGoA is replacing a faulty temperature sensor in a separate and smaller group of vehicles. (The earlier action addresses a potential for a faulty temperature sensor to cause the transmission to shift into neutral while the vehicle is being driven.)

The company will extend its New Vehicle Limited Warranty to cover the DSG(® )transmissions affected by the customer service program and the voluntary safety recall. This extended warranty is for 10-years/100,000-miles, transferrable to subsequent owners.

VWGoA is confident these actions will address issues noted by owners of the affected Volkswagen and Audi models. The DSG(®) gearbox is an industry leading technology that combines the fuel economy of a manual gearshift with the automatic shifting capacity of an automatic transmission.
http://media.vw.com/index.php?s=43&item=491
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