TVR: Griffith News

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TVR: Griffith News

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TVR's return starts here with launch of £90,000, 200mph V8-powered supercar

Who knows what the car-shunning Millennials make of it all, but for an entire generation of sports car fans, TVR equates to unruly high performance, perilous sideways excursions and, if we’re completely honest, a frequently challenging ownership experience.

Now meet the all-new, 21st century TVR, the first since a wealthy consortium – headed by computer games magnate and entrepreneur Les Edgar – wrested the company away from Nikolai Smolenski in 2013. The name is familiar: the Griffith first appeared in 1963, but reappeared in 1991. That model is probably the definitive TVR, so it makes sense to dust the badge down for this keenly-awaited revival. Well, it wasn’t going to be Trousertenter, was it?

In many other ways, this stunning looking new car – side-exit exhausts, sculpted front wheelarches, and swoopy body – stays true to TVR’s homespun, old-school recipe. It packs a trusty atmospheric 5.0-litre quad-cam V8, the unit usually seen in Ford’s Mustang, but thoroughly overhauled for duty here by Cosworth to deliver more power and torque. It’s dry sumped to lower the centre of gravity, and has 50/50 weight distribution. You’ll look in vain for any seamless, dual-shift semi-auto transmission: the Griffith uses a Tremec Magnum six-speed manual (even that sounds manly), with a custom lightweight flywheel and clutch, and bespoke gear ratios. With a dry weight of 1,250kg, the new car is tantalisingly light, and boasts a power-to-weight ratio of 400bhp-per-tonne. This should thrust the Griffith into full-bore supercar territory, where forward motion begins to turn surreal: 0-100mph in six and a bit seconds surreal, with a 200mph top speed. And you have to remember to change gear yourself.

But in other key areas, the new Griffith is revolutionary. It’s the first production car to deploy Gordon Murray Design’s iStream technology, which simplifies the manufacturing process while introducing carbon fibre and delivering the sort of structural rigidity TVRs of old could only dream of (the Cerbera, as lovely as it was/still is, almost visibly sags in the middle). The chassis consists of a carbon composite bonded to steel and aluminium, with body panels also in composite. The iStream tech gives the Griffith notable crash performance: the energy loads are directed through front and rear crash structures, leaving the chassis intact. It also has a fully flat underfloor so if a 200mph mission does present itself, you won’t end up troubling air traffic control. Aero? On a TVR?

The suspension uses double wishbones at either end, with adjustable coil-over dampers and concentric springs. The 21st century further intrudes with the TVR’s steering: it’s fully electric. The braking system uses six-piston aluminium calipers and two-piece 370mm diameter ventilated discs upfront, four-piston ally calipers and two-piece 350mm vented discs at the rear. Note also that TVR has determined to keep the car agile and alert to the driver’s command by keeping the rubber relatively modest: 275/30 tyres on 20in rims at the rear, 235/35 on 19s at the front. This all points to a very specific philosophy, and it’s one we can get on-board with. The Griff does also have ABS and configurable traction control: blame the EU law-makers if you have a problem with that.

TVR’s wilfully bonkers interior ergonomics have been retired, and the new Griffith gets bespoke dials and a centrally mounted portrait infotainment screen. Edgar and the team driving TVR’s resurrection want a car that’s useable and civilised, a GT with serious fire in its belly. And as Les told TG in a recent interview, TVR will be racing again soon too, with Le Mans firmly in their cross-hairs.

TVR has sold almost all of the 500 Launch Editions, and though £90,000 is way more than the outfit charged back in the day, this is a completely different sort of TVR. Production is due to start in a year or so’s time, at a factory in Ebbw Vale. More when we get it…
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I imagine this thing is going to be quite loud, with those SLR McLaren-esque side pipes right out of the front fenders.
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TVR y u no sell in USA?

This is the sort of batshit crazy car we need over here.
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Lol the good old days with Gran Turismo...used to drive this a lot back then!
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That looks awesome. TVR always made some cool looking cars.
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Lol the good old days with Gran Turismo...used to drive this a lot back then!
TVR will be forever linked with Gran Turismo for me.
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Hory shet.

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I saw a video of this car...Shmee put in an order for one of these!
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Would love to see TVR return to the US.
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TVR will be forever linked with Gran Turismo for me.
Yea man! I was 10 and I had no idea what TVR was when I first played Gran Turismo. It was a biatch to drive with so much power and torque, while being quite light. Then there's the Cerbera Speed 12 with 800hp....
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TVR always made quirky cars, but damn that is extra funky.
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Downright tame compared to the Sagaris
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Ok, I'm not the only one...was just going to say this new Griffith is nice, but the Sagaris will always be my favorite TVR.
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The Tuscan was always my favorite, aesthetically. Never cared much for the Sagaris, too extreme in appearance
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This car looks nice, but it looks like a Toyota.
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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big...k-tvr-griffith



The firm that gave us the most brutish sports cars of the Nineties and Noughties has grown up. A bit.

The TVR Griffith sounds superb. The noise that flows out from those side exit exhaust pipes is a proper fat, rounded V8 rumble, but with a racer’s edge, sharp and revvy. Yet smooth, too. There’s a lot to it; this 5.0-litre naturally aspirated V8 is multi-layered, an engine you’ll enjoy listening to.

Sound: one of the pillars on which TVR was built. The other two were that its cars should look good and go hard. I don’t doubt the latter. The clash of naturally aspirated Cosworth-tuned 500bhp 5.0-litre Ford V8 against 1,250kg of bodyweight meet in the middle at 400bhp/tonne. That gives the Griffith an edge over the McLaren 570S.

Look good? There’s something of the Sagaris to its roof profile, the rear end is tidy, but the front? I’m not so sure. And compared to the Aston Martin Vantage, you’re aware the TVR is a more simplistic, less nuanced shape. It looks a little narrow, maybe rides a touch high, needs a bit more stance. It’s already 50mm wider than Gordon Murray wanted. “That was a big fight with Gordon because he likes compact cars,” chief executive Les Edgar says, “You can’t believe how difficult that was, but we needed it [the extra width] to give us more rear wing.”

A much larger wing that’s not there at the moment, but will be when TVR returns to racing. Le Mans is the plan. Soon. “Ironically, we could have a GT racer ready before we can have the first road car ready, and if you’re a sports car manufacturer and not in endurance racing, what are you doing? Because that’s the ultimate test.”

But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. The core plan is for TVR to sell 2,000 cars per year. Initially half in the UK, half in Europe, but eventually expanding beyond. “That was one of the reasons for choosing this particular engine,” Edgar comments, “because it’s homologated for Californian emissions”.

TVRs will be built at a new facility at Ebbw Vale in South Wales, leased to the firm by the Welsh government, which has not only bought a three per cent shareholding in TVR for £500,000 (valuing the company at £16.7 million), but has also fronted up with a £2 million loan. At the moment the factory is empty – TVR takes over the 200,000sq ft building at the end of August to commence fit out. “Between now and then, we have time to refine details, door openings and so on, plenty of things. And then first deliveries are planned for early 2019.”

There are parallels between Les Edgar and the man who really breathed life and success into TVR, Peter Wheeler. Both self-made men, engineers by training, they made a fortune in other businesses before buying TVR. But times have changed. Where Wheeler famously told people that traction control was your right foot and that you didn’t need airbags if you didn’t crash in the first place, Edgar is having to develop proper safety systems. You sense a certain amount of exasperation. “I don’t understand why it should be, but apparently it takes nine months to calibrate the airbags. All you’ve got to do is check it doesn’t go off when you hit a kerb at Tesco and does go off when you hit another car. Everything takes so long and costs a fortune. It’s the same with the ABS.”

And then there’s crash testing. The Griffith doesn’t have traditional subframes, instead it uses smaller deformable, replaceable crash structures front and rear that are designed to channel forces away from the central chassis itself. Computer simulations have been done, but the crash test car itself has to be built using production tooling.

You get the feeling Edgar is learning the difficult lessons of the modern car industry. Can his small team, currently only a dozen employees, really have production cars ready for next spring? It’s a very tall order. But then look at the people involved, the innovation behind the car. Gordon Murray’s iStream process promises to not only create a lighter car, but streamline development and lower the costs of production. The car in front of us today is in itself an impressive achievement. It’s the very first mule, the rawest of the raw, yet it’s drivable, the doors seal properly, it’s previously done 155mph on the runway here at Dunsfold.

Edgar admits the cabin needs work – the seats aren’t right, there’s no inertia reel belts, much of the trim is only loosely attached. But again: prototype. The basics are impressive, though. Edgar, a whole head taller, and I fit in neatly. Access is good: it’s compact, but not small, and certainly not claustrophobic. The design isn’t as deliberately wacky as early Noughties TVRs (the last, a Sagaris, was built 12 years ago), there’s a lot of light in here and little to distract you. This is not a car that’s going to baffle you with myriad settings.

The engine barks into life – unfiltered, noisy but with a mellifluous softened edge that gives it a cultured tone. Everything happens ahead of you when the exhausts exit by your ankles (something the new Griff has in common with the McLaren-Mercedes SLR, another car Murray had a hand in). You’re aware of an extra drama, more life and vibration. The noise is closer, hi-def.

Given this and the fact the gearbox is mounted directly off the back of the engine, rather than on the rear axle, how has TVR achieved a 50:50 weight distribution? We open the bonnet where exhaust and engine sit cheek by jowl. The packaging is very neat, the V8 tucked right back and very low: “It’s dry-sumped, which has helped give us the low bonnet line, but I will admit that we only get to 50:50 with a driver and full tank of fuel,” claims Edgar. “It is traction limited at low speed, but once you’re moving the downforce starts to work really well from 60mph.” And not just downforce. The bonnet vents are matched by holes in the undertray, allowing air to pass vertically around the catalysts.

Edgar is convincing, determined. He sees TVR as occupying the middle ground between Lotus and Aston. That’s an open space, although the gap looks narrower when you consider the distance between Evora and Vantage. But the £90,000 Griffith launch edition undercuts the new Aston by £30k. The TVR brand has a strong enough allure to have already tempted 600 people to put down deposits for a car that, as yet, doesn’t have a place it can call home. But it looks, acts and feels like a TVR, it feels like a sympathetic, relevant recreation. Still raw, just with a hint of sophistication.

But there are mountains to climb yet. They can’t recruit until they have a factory, they won’t be fully confident in the production process until that factory is full of tools, until people are building the cars. There will be pinch points, glitches, issues, and some of them will be big.

It’s innovative, this TVR, not something you’d have said about the brand in its former life. The ground effect aero, the use of carbon panels to brace the steel structure (the chassis is seven times stiffer than an old TVR’s), the focus on weight saving. Edgar even talks electric as something they have in mind for the future. But that’s the future, and it always looks bright. It’s the present that tends to cause the issues.
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Damn that looks good. Kind of looks like a mini Viper
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Damn that looks good. Kind of looks like a mini Viper
Yeah, and TVR's philosophy is partly why I've always liked their cars. Side exits right behind the fenders are fantastic.

I think having ABS and traction control are almost essential to have on the street though. Might never even trigger them, but unless you're Senna reincarnate, you'll need them when you least expect.
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Meh, I feel that this thing is just a bit too restrained for a TVR. The Sagaris was batshit crazy in looks and performance (which is why I loved it), this one just has performance.

Also, 90k GBP is a bit much for a small volume British sports car that will break down every other day...
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This looks too restrained?!

Plus, didn't TVR go out or was about to go out of business? I bet someone bought them and maybe they are bumping the prices a little bit to make a profit
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This is their most cohesive design in a while. Before the Sagaris, the Cerbera () and the older Griffith were vanilla looking, at least on the outside.

It was prudent of them to price it the way they did. Too low and they'd lose out on things like the carbon construction, dry sump, aero and possibly compete with Lotus as the article mentioned. Higher, and they would be in Aston territory.

Love that it comes with harnesses stock, just noticed that.
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Almost four years after the Griffith was first unveiled, TVR still needs more money to put it into production.

Earlier this year, the British company received a £2 million ($2.77 million) loan as part of the UK government’s Coronavirus Business Interruption Loan Scheme (CBILS). However, Auto Express reports that TVR has fallen well short of the £25 million ($34.6 million) that it had hoped to raise, money which it needs to complete development of the Griffith.

The Griffith has been delayed due to a handful of issues that arose after its unveiling in September 2017 – and the pandemic was but one of them. In January 2018, the Welsh government purchased a 3 per cent stake in the automaker. This means it is considered a state-funded company under European Union regulations and was forced to take EU-wide bids for the renovation of its factory in Ebbw Vale, South Wales in a lengthy process.

Underpinning the Griffith is a carbon composite structure built using Gordon Murray’s iStream architecture and manufacturing process. The extensive use of carbon fiber means the car weighs just 1,300 kg (2,850 lbs). Power is set to come from a 5.0-liter naturally aspirated V8 with 500 hp, sending the car to 62 mph (100 km/h) in less than four seconds and through to a 200 mph (320 km/h) top speed.

Interestingly, TVR has now revealed to Auto Express that the Griffith has been designed to support both hybrid and all-electric powertrains in the future.


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