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Old 01-15-2019, 11:31 AM
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i doubt US will get the 190hp engine.
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Almost a guarantee we don't, who would buy it?
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Although not a 100% rebadged engineered platform, the Supra appears to be ~80% rebadged Z4.
I'm guessing the cost of the engineering and development is a very small fraction versus Toyota doing a solo development effort.
So for a model that'll probably not sell many it makes business sense, sorta like BR-Z/FRS
Still wonder why Toyota didn't use the Lexus RC as a platform for the 86? Perhaps it's chassis was too large (107" wheelbase vs 97").

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Dont really understand the Business decision rationale.

They obviously did not expect this thing to sell and if they also wanted to save $$ in the process, then why use the Supra name?
When the car is basically a tuned down version of the Z4 M40i, what is Toyota really trying to achieve here. I am not really sure the whole purpose of this car.

I would have smacked someone if i was told 10 years ago that one day Supra is gonna be a detuned Z4....
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Toyobaru & the Fiazda, now the BMupra

The Fiat/Mazda is a bit different as the 124 uses a Fiat engine, not the Mazda unit. IIRC, the 86/BRZ share the Subaru engine.
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Toyobaru & the Fiazda, now the BMupra

The Fiat/Mazda is a bit different as the 124 uses a Fiat engine, not the Mazda unit. IIRC, the 86/BRZ share the Subaru engine.
FRS started as Scion, so sharing with Subaru is actually a good move.

Supra should not be using detuned anything! It is a Supra!
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This car is a disgrace to the Supra name.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
Dont really understand the Business decision rationale.

They obviously did not expect this thing to sell and if they also wanted to save $$ in the process, then why use the Supra name?
When the car is basically a tuned down version of the Z4 M40i, what is Toyota really trying to achieve here. I am not really sure the whole purpose of this car.

I would have smacked someone if i was told 10 years ago that one day Supra is gonna be a detuned Z4....
simple, dedicated two seater car with limited market appeal. So even it was phenominal it won't sell much, it's not a Mustang or Camaro
reskin a Z4, call it a Supra, sell it to the millennials and older buyers who don't know all the details but just want a Supra or a sporty RWD Toyota.
save 9 figures of development costs that can be used for crossovers and SUV, which sell far more and have greater market worldwide.
the diehard Supra fans woulda bitched and moaned no matter what Toyota did.
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While i am no diehard Supra fan obviously. But i would not bitch as much if it was a little wider, longer. Similar size as the Concept without a DETUNED Z4 engine.

Or they could just call it something else. like AE86 Turbo or Celica.

Imagine Acura introduced next gen NSX with C43's V6TT and C300's 2.0T.... oh that hurts just by thinking about it.

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While I don't wholly approve of the supposed final product, overall I approve.
  • It's a Supra!
  • It only weighs 3100 lbs
  • It's compact, so it doesn't bother with having a useless backseat
  • I personally like BMW interiors, so I approve
  • Majority of cars don't truly resemble their concepts. Barring the concept, I think it looks pretty good
On the other hand...
  • Estimated power figures are weak. ~400 horsepower for the I6 would have been great. And only ~250 for the 4-cyl? It's 2018! However, it could be typical BMW and being pretty underrated and detuned.
  • I am worried about its long-term reliability, being a BMW
We also haven't seen it in person yet.
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The only model that matters weighs 3350 lbs.
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I don't like it, the z4 looks better. I hate it more knowing it has the bmw motor. Don't get me wrong, i'd buy a z4 at some point, but i would only buy a supra when it has a toyota motor.
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I would have expected a Lexus lc similar car like the Supra/sc.
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I am worried about its long-term reliability, being a BMW
^this... my biggest concern as well...

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I don't like it, the z4 looks better. I hate it more knowing it has the bmw motor. Don't get me wrong, i'd buy a z4 at some point, but i would only buy a supra when it has a toyota motor.
Toyota GR Supra??? i guess it's now a GDM model instead of a JDM?
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In the office parking garage there was an frs and and an rcf.
both looked so similar, why the fuck couldn't they use a Lexus model!?
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In the office parking garage there was an frs and and an rcf.
both looked so similar, why the fuck couldn't they use a Lexus model!?
I agree. If they wanted and 4cyl small sports car could they not have taken the the lc body and shoved the is200t motor in it and built a new more simple interior for it and had to share with no other company but itself?
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There are rumors that Toyota will also release a GR version of this car, let’s hope its true - it would be similar to the difference between say a regular model Corvette and the Z06. So fingers crossed on that front.
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In the office parking garage there was an frs and and an rcf.
both looked so similar, why the fuck couldn't they use a Lexus model!?
i was thinking that this morning... now that they got the RC-F weight down to IS-F standards, i'd consider the RC-F instead... at least it has a v-8 and some tune options now...
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While I don't wholly approve of the supposed final product, overall I approve.
  • It's a Supra!
  • It only weighs 3100 lbs
  • It's compact, so it doesn't bother with having a useless backseat
  • I personally like BMW interiors, so I approve
  • Majority of cars don't truly resemble their concepts. Barring the concept, I think it looks pretty good
On the other hand...
  • Estimated power figures are weak. ~400 horsepower for the I6 would have been great. And only ~250 for the 4-cyl? It's 2018! However, it could be typical BMW and being pretty underrated and detuned.
  • I am worried about its long-term reliability, being a BMW
We also haven't seen it in person yet.
Weight for the V6 is around 3400 lbs based on the figures posted above.
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I have always wondered about those "fake vents" on the Camry sport. Since it was on a Camry, who cares. But now it is on Supra.... even if they were functional, are those vents supposed to cool the blinker fluid?
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So why go through all that trouble and $$ to put the plastic in there in the first place? I dont understand their logic... it is not like leaving those vents functional will make the car illegal to drive on the public street.
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Well, his explanation is a mixture of some smooth talking and some real stuff.

The fact is, they did have a Gazoo Racing race model of the car racing around the place, for technical / engineering kinds of purposes, and that car had these vents open. These vents needed to be open for that purpose. For the road going, “regular” model car, the vents did not need to be open and would arguably be an unecessary feature if they were. So they closed them off.
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2019 Toyota Supra vs 1993 Toyota Supra: How they compare on paper

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/16/...021&yptr=yahoo



Close numbers except for price (inflation adjusted $70k for 1993 Supra)
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Well, his explanation is a mixture of some smooth talking and some real stuff.

The fact is, they did have a Gazoo Racing race model of the car racing around the place, for technical / engineering kinds of purposes, and that car had these vents open. These vents needed to be open for that purpose. For the road going, “regular” model car, the vents did not need to be open and would arguably be an unecessary feature if they were. So they closed them off.
Not needed for what? Brake cooling? Not a bad thing to have. Engine cooling? Sure that sounds like a good idea to me. Rear bumper vents, these are for sure for style. The door vents, last I checked, this was a front engine car... I guess I'm not sure why they bothered to close them all off if they are indeed functional for some purpose. Also, it's not like they just closed some of them off, they closed them ALL off.
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https://jalopnik.com/what-we-found-w...sup-1831800550

TL;DR it shares a lot with the Z4 & 3er. Long-ish article with lots of comparison photos.

So the engine bay is basically exactly the same as the Z4's, and the suspension likely is, too. I only had suspension photos of the new 3 Series, but those showed quite a bit of commonality between the Bavarian sedan and the new Supra, as well.

We knew the Supra shared a platform and powertrain with BMW, but the main takeaway here is that, looking at the Supra, it’s fairly obvious that it pretty much is a BMW when it comes to the main hardware. According to Haushalter, what Toyota did was alter the tuning on things like steering effort and suspension damping.
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https://jalopnik.com/the-1994-toyota...g-a-1831800363

So, you thought a $121,000 auction price for that immaculate 1994 Toyota Supra on Bring a Trailer was a little much? Yeah, so did we. That was cute of all of us, because the car is now back up for sale by a Chicago dealership for $500,000.

Well, it’s $500,000 flat or $7,902 per month for 60 months after a $100,000 downpayment. It’s your choice, really. Both options are enticing.

Carscoops spotted this listing and its incredible $379,000 markup from Chicago Northside Toyota, and, although there are no photos of it on the dealer website yet, it’s the car we saw sell for a ridiculous six figures a couple of weeks ago—it has the same listed VIN number as the Bring a Trailer Supra did, along with the same color specifications, the same six-speed manual and the same 7,111-mile odometer reading. It also describes the car as a “recent arrival.”

It’s the same car, with about $400,000 tacked onto an already absurd sale price. Auction results from Bring a Trailer, where Supras go to sell for ridiculously high prices, show that the more expensive Supra auctions usually top out at around $60,000 to $80,000. An automatic 1994 Suprawith less than 6,000 miles on it went for $80,500 last year.

Then, there’s the little black dot that creeps just past the $120,000 line on the chart. That was this Supra, and it was already in a zip code of its own due to a six-figure bidding war between potential buyers.

The winning account on Bring a Trailer, zleist, commented on the listing after winning the car at $121,000 to say it was “being added to the Chicago Northside Toyota Showroom” and to “ask for Zach.”

The dealership’s listing has two lines about Supra itself, which is apparently worth $500,000, before heading into its spiel about how it prices cars:

Chicago Northside Toyota is proud to announce a “”MARKET VALUE PRICING”” philosophy. We use real-time Internet price comparisons to constantly adjust prices to provide ALL BUYERS the “”BEST MARKET VALUE”” vehicle’s possible.

[...] Remember we use “”MARKET VALUE PRICING”” to make it easier to not only buy a vehicle but to buy it at a GREAT price. Our pricing is HAGGLE FREE. We price them right and as a result it allows us to sell more for less. Our entire team is willing and able to help you.
The dealership got at least one thing right here: This Supra will be haggle free, because, no matter how much Fast and Furious fame it has, a dealer that lists this car at $500,000 will never actually bring it down to a semi-logical price.

But as Road & Track noted earlier today, the outrageous price isn’t to actually sell the car—it’s to get people into the dealership to see it. From there they can drum up excitement about the new 2020 Supra, or at the very least get you into a RAV4 or something.

But hey, if anyone walks in with a cool half-mil and a lust for the old Supra, maybe they’ll have a shot.

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About the weight, yeah I brain farted but 3400 lbs is still decent for a car with this much power and for the price. Not as light as I hoped.

Between that and the automatic-only, I'd probably never get this. But the Gazoo Racing variant, if true, should be immensely capable.

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https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/16/...021&yptr=yahoo



Close numbers except for price (inflation adjusted $70k for 1993 Supra)
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What it shouldve looked like

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The good thing is you will see all kind of JDM parts/tuning for the next 3/4/5 series as result of this
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Ah crap...sorry, guys...just saw Joneill44 's post in the Supra thread.

FWIW, I think if we're talking about the car, we should go to that thread...diluting it causes reposting like this. Probably too late but just my OCDing kicking in.
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My favorite ToyotaLex cars were from the late 90's/early 2K's, BTW!
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Toyota was boring, now just overkill. It's sad, they listen, and try to style better, and still are kinda meh. I do like that the V6 isn't going anywhere. Way to go there!
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Still not a fan. Current Toyota/Lexus styling leaves me cold.
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I agree. So, if they can create a trim along those lines eventually as a hommage to the old Supra...it could really work.
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Looks MUCH better than the real one
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Easy there....

Strong coincidence, but hard to give either manufacturer credit without knowing when exactly BMW pinned its front end design, whether early on or after the Mk. III may have been spied.
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As a fan of the old 3 series where the car was so small, the M2 is definitely my preference. It's the spiritual successor to older 3 models.
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I think M240i or M2 prob better choices overall.. we'll see.
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Needs power plenum
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all them bullshit body design cues
fake vents and bullshit aero
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"It's a different kind of thrill"
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Right? That's what bugs me the most.
If it at least looked good.. maybe.

Why can't they just revive the 2JZ
Whoever executed this project should probably be executed
Or work for Acura
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8 series pretty big car. Is new Supras smaller like a Z4?
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I really wish Supra looked better....
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The Z4 looks 100x better.
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I think the Z4 looks better than the Supra, even
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I thought that Z4 was a render over a Fiat 124
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Z4 looks great
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As a Bangled BMW, it's possible. Those cars were oddly shaped.
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I don't think the Supra looks like a BMW at all. The interior on the other hand... it's like Toyota didn't even try.



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If you run that low ALL of the time, you'll be the next person on YouTube that has 10 x stance groupies pushing your car over a slightly slanted driveway
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I think usually those cars are all on air.... or they are just stupid.
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yea it wouldn't be fun to drive or with any real purpose.

this is something you would see at SEMA.
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Right, overall I don't mind it. The widebody looks ok, I'm just not a huge fan of the wheel rim being tucked right up against the fender lip.
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Hilarious. Either people just do not give a F anymore or they are actually stupid.

The MK3 Supra came out in 1986, the 850 came out in 1990. Not even close.



Source : General Car Talk Discussion Thread

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https://www.motor1.com/news/301709/f...supra-auction/

It comes with a one-of-one color combination right off the assembly line.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: getting the first production model of a car that rolled off the assembly line is euphoria for car collectors, more so, if the car you're buying has a rich and legendary history such as the 2020 Toyota Supra.

As announced last month, the first production model of the A90 Supra went up for auction this weekend at the Barrett-Jacksoncharity auction in Scottsdale, Arizona. The first production Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 was also sold at this Barrett-Jackson car auction for $1.1 million. Its winning bidder was Craig Jackson, Chairman and CEO of the said auction house, with all of the proceeds going to charity.

For the Toyota sports car on lot #3010, the hammer went down at $2.1 million. Just like the first Shelby GT500, all proceeds from the sale of the first Supra will go to charities, namely the American Heart Association and Bob Woodruff Foundation. The latter supports post-9/11 impacted service members, veterans, and their families.

The winning bidder owns the rights to the first production Toyota Supra, which also happens to be the first version of the iconic sports coupe in the U.S. and bears VIN 20201 – "2020" stands for the year the GR Supra was reintroduced, while "1" marks its place as the first model out of the production line.

It also comes with a one-of-one color combination, integrating a matte gray exterior, red mirror caps, and matte black wheels. Inside, it will have a red and black theme plus carbon fiber inserts to go with its compelling exterior design.

Aside from the exclusive color theme, the first production Supra comes with an engine cover signed by Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda. The winning bidder also receives a full VIP race track experience, which includes a fully customized professional racing suit, two VIP passes and hot passes to TOYOTA OWNERS 400 - Richmond Raceway, and a chance to drive the pace car with Michael Waltrip.

Something else special debuted at the Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale Auction this weekend: Motorious, the world's largest collector car marketplace and enthusiast platform, brought to you by the folks behind Motor1.com and Motorsport. Check it out in beta here, and special thanks to Motorious for providing us exclusive live images of the first production Supra from the auction floor in Scottsdale.




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https://jalopnik.com/what-it-would-t...-ma-1832173633

Despite years of hype, the 2020 Toyota Supra comes with one major crushing disappointment: It’s only only available with an eight-speed automatic transmission. While we shouldn’t hold our breath for a manual Supra since no concrete plans have been shared, we can dig into the BMW parts catalog to see whether a manual swap would be possible.

The easiest path to our manual swap might be to look at the European spec 2019 BMW Z4 2.0i, which will be available with a manual transmission.

While that transmission is not a good choice for the Supra since it only comes mated to the four-cylinder engine, and in the U.S. market the Supra is six-cylinder only for now, the surrounding components can be useful.

One of the bigger pieces in doing a manual swap may have already been taken care of by BMW, as the manual version of the Z4 appears to use the exact same firewall as the Supra. This means that even though the Supra is not available with the manual, all the mounting points for a clutch pedal and clutch master cylinder should already be present.

Using the same firewall between cars is not unusual, especially in the case of BMW, as the E46 M3 had provisions for a clutch pedal even in the SMG version. Since we know that the Z4 clutch pedal and master cylinder will mount to the car, they can be ordered from European BMW dealers once the parts become available to solve that part of the equation.

The hydraulics that lead from the master cylinder to the slave cylinder can also be used and will likely mount in the Supra the same way that they mount in the Z4 so no custom lines should be required. The pieces are also very similar to the ones used on the last-gen 340i here in the U.S. so those could likely be also made to fit with some modifications.

That leads us into the next portion of the swap, which is choosing the right gearbox. Our answer may come from the 340i as it uses a variant of the same B58 3.0L engine and is available with a manual. The bellhousing pattern on the 340i engine and the Supra engine appears to be the same so the six-speed manual GS6-4BZ gearbox should bolt right up.

While this is the best available choice at the moment, it is important to note that the Supra produces 33 more lb-ft of torque than the Euro-spec 340i. While it should be within the tolerance range of that gearbox, this is something to bear in mind.

Supplementary pieces for the transmission such as the linkages and shifter can be grabbed from the 340i as they will bolt up directly to that gearbox but they may require some customization to be set at the correct length to match up to the shifter hole in the cabin. Alternatively, a Z4 shifter and linkages can be combined with the parts to minimize the fabrication once they are available for purchase.

The rest of the hardware, such as the driveshaft, will probably have to be customized since the new gearbox will most likely not be the same length but that part can be taken care of by most driveshaft shops for a few hundred dollars.

The only unknown piece of the swap right now is the electronics, since the ECU in the Supra will be looking for an automatic transmission and will go into a limp once it doesn’t find one. But luckily, there is precedent for that modification as well. Since the Supra uses a standard BMW ECU, or DME as they call it, the coding for the transmission should be editable. Once tuners are able to access it, the automatic transmission settings can be removed.

Based on these pieces in the parts catalog it appears that a manual swap will be a fairly straightforward proposition on the Supra. I am sure that we’ll see some swapped cars fairly quickly after they start deliveries.
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For that amount of time, effort, and money you could simply buy the M3 and have a better, faster car that came from the factory with the transmission you wanted.
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And it would look better too.
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I must be the only person in the entire world that likes it.

Still feel like it's a lot of overreaction. People hated the R35 when it was first revealed. Except the R35 is actually ugly

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Anyway, TL;DR of the video
  • Vehicles share components like drivetrain
  • Toyota engineers placed great emphasis on reliability
  • Both engineering teams developed the vehicle dynamics entirely separately. BMW didn't know how the Supra drove, and Toyota didn't know how the Z4 drove.
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