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Old 12-28-2018, 03:04 PM
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I think the car would look much much better if it was a little wider, and a little longer... basically Supra Size instead of the Z4 size
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Shoulda done just made the concept car.
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I have always thought that Supra, GT3000 VR4, GTR, and NSX were the same level of cars with maybe NSX being slightly more exotic looking. But as far as performance goes, there are all in the same segment.

Now GTR and NSX are still competing head to head with 500hp+ and Supra is now in the same segment as Z4 and... 370Z????
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
I have always thought that Supra, GT3000 VR4, GTR, and NSX were the same level of cars with maybe NSX being slightly more exotic looking. But as far as performance goes, there are all in the same segment.

Now GTR and NSX are still competing head to head with 500hp+ and Supra is now in the same segment as Z4 and... 370Z????
well we arent surprised by that - weve known the new one is going to be more like the 370Z kind of class, for probably over 10 years now.
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I still think they should have called this a Celica or MR2. If they are not going to revive a full blown Supra, then don't ruin its legacy.
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Ya I agree
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The front is nice...but, then, that back right now looks a bit awkward. It's not immediately an OMG-beautiful thing but I need time to take it in, I guess.

Obviously, I want to love it because well, it's the Supra. That namesake in itself means so much. So, it has alot to do with me hesitating to jump on the looks right off the bat...but, yeah, the concept was way better.
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Old 12-31-2018, 03:31 AM
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I mean, there are some improvements. I am glad the Alf nose is gone. Front fascia looks better regardless, rear looks less bulge-y. Lights and the vents attached to them looked better on the concept. They set themselves up for failure with that door/vent design, as it looks awesome and aggressive. But the only front engined car with vents for the rear (brakes) are Corvettes, and they're tiny.

Biggest problem is the car not only looks taller now, but narrower also.

Frankly though, they were never going to make the concept. Automakers rarely do, but in cases like the 5G Camaro where the concept basically became production, you have most people complain about the visibility and ergonomics because concept car designers probably don't give a shit about packaging.

Even the Mk 4 Supra looked plain in stock form. Once people get their hands on this, lower it and fit it with more aggressive wheels it will look way better (obviously)

I still think it'll sell like hotcakes.
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How did they mess this up so badly?
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
I have always thought that Supra, GT3000 VR4, GTR, and NSX were the same level of cars with maybe NSX being slightly more exotic looking. But as far as performance goes, there are all in the same segment.

Now GTR and NSX are still competing head to head with 500hp+ and Supra is now in the same segment as Z4 and... 370Z????
The RX-7 did the same thing. The FD RX Competed with Porsches & the like, then the RX-8 was more of a Mustang competitor.
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Looks like a Z4 with an aggressive wide body kit on it. Or a Miata with a Rocket Bunny kit. I am disappoint.
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My first thought was a Scion FRS or Subaru BRZ.
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#told

“So, it has the same amount of horsepower as a 2009 370z for 15 grand more?”
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...a-photos-info/

Looks OK, don't follow the Supra thread much so I was surprised how it's a joint BMW/Toyota project.
Wonder how that arrangement works out between the Germans and Japanese in Austria


Would have expected a Lexus RC/Toyota Supra collaboration

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Old 01-14-2019, 11:27 AM
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If the projected power ratings are true, this disappoints me even more.

I came up with a theory why the 86/BRZ never had a turbo option. Between two performance oriented cars, if you had the Supra which will cost a lot more, and a turbocharged 86 which would weigh ~300 lbs less, it would cannibalize sales.

They really should have massaged some more power out of it. I still like the car, but it seems like a BMW with a Toyota badge.
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335/365 sounds like the current gen 340's B58 MPPK, instead of the newest G20 B58 engine. :
Actually hp is lower.
This car will be fast regardless... but its looks tho...

The BMW M Performance Power and Sound Kit has officially been launched is now available for the 340i and 440i powered by the B58 engine. The final output numbers are 355hp (+35hp over stock) and 369 lb-ft for auto (+39 lb-ft over stock) / 355 lb-ft for manual (+25 lb-ft over stock). This results in a 0.2 second 0-60 mph improvement over stock acceleration figures.

MSRP on the MPPSK is $2820, with the stainless steel tips priced $128/ea and carbon fiber tips at $254/ea.
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Tuners will have a field day with ECU tune and single turbo setups.
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Dont think B58 is anywhere close to 2JZ as far as tune-ability.... 500hp is very possible, but not at the same level as 2JZ as far as potential.
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Tuned 335’s tell otherwise...
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which 335i? N54 or N55/B58?

and tuning on B58 is very limited as of now.
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Tunes are rampant, for any FI German motors.

It won’t be 2JZ numbers, I’d say around 1000hp is the top end. But nobody was expecting this to be comparable to the 2JZ.
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All I can see is the offspring of a BMW Z4 and a Toyota 86 ....

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Some big car blog site wrote about the reveal saying it was underwhelming to say the least.

Totally agree. Like being edged over and over only to get an underwhelming result. I mean, unless you're into that sort of thing.

I would have been very happy with just a turbo BRZ.
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Comparing the 'debut' shaky cam video of the Supra, to the growl & whine of the GT500 debut. No contest.
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I stopped caring almost 2 years ago. Toyota really F'ed up this car. Had so much potential. Like I said...
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FT-1 or bust.
Still don't care...
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Tunes are rampant, for any FI German motors.

It wont be 2JZ numbers, Id say around 1000hp is the top end. But nobody was expecting this to be comparable to the 2JZ.

I think when they named the car Supra, everything will be compared to the original Supra.
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They could have at least tried to hide the BMW on the interior...I mean it even has iDrive.
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BMW has released updated specs for the 2019 BMW Z4 M40i, specifically its 0-60-mph time, curb weight and gross vehicle weight. This comes on the heels of this morning's introduction of its platform-mate, the 2020 Toyota Supra. You might have seen something about that today.

BMW says the Z4 M40i now goes from zero to 60 mph in 3.9 seconds, a half-second improvement from the 4.4-second time it originally provided. (We originally reported that figure this morning in comparing the cars, but that post is now updated). It also bests the Supra's 4.1-second time, which makes sense since it has 47 extra horsepower and only weighs 46 extra pounds.
It is fast....
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They could have at least tried to hide the BMW on the interior...I mean it even has iDrive.
That is surprising. I thought they only share the powertrain. Didnt know the interior pieces are all very similar too. (the headlight switches, AC, radio and iDrive)
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They could have at least tried to hide the BMW on the interior...I mean it even has iDrive.
That is surprising. I thought they only share the powertrain. Didnt know the interior pieces are all very similar too. (the headlight switches, AC, radio, shiftknob and iDrive)
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That car looks...….off.
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That is surprising. I thought they only share the powertrain. Didnt know the interior pieces are all very similar too. (the headlight switches, AC, radio, shiftknob and iDrive)
Other than the bodywork, the entire car from powertrain, suspension, platform, testing, and even the assembly line are provided by BMW.
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Other than the bodywork, the entire car from powertrain, suspension, platform, testing, and even the assembly line are provided by BMW.
and the steering wheel.
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https://jalopnik.com/the-lowest-four...-hp-1831734785

The 2020 Toyota Supra is out now and now we get to dissect all the strange things about it with certainty. For instance: The lowest-spec Supra has a four-cylinder with less power than the controversial Toyota 86.

As we know, under the skin the new Supra is basically a BMW, a BMW Z4 to be exact. So in addition to getting the BMW’s B58-code 3.0-liter straight six, Toyota will also put in the sister engine to that, the B48 four-cylinder.

It’s part of the same engine architecture that also includes the B38 three-cylinder, and the B48 is kind of like a B58 with two fewer cylinders.

And also less power.

Toyota just put up the full specs of the Supra for the Japanese market on its dedicated Supra site and one number on the right will stick out to car nerds everywhere. The lowest-spec Supra will come with 197 PS. That’s about 194 horsepower as we measure it converting from metric to standard. The more powerful four puts out 255 HP.

Still, the lower-powered one leaves a lot to be desired. Even going off of Japanese specs as listed on the car’s Japanese wiki, the Toyota 86 makes more power, at 207 PS, or 204 HP.

Be advised these aren’t for the U.S.-spec cars, and we don’t even know what the four-cylinder’s power will be here, but this is what other markets are getting. Our guess is America will only get the 255 HP one.

If you’re hoping that the Supra makes up for this with even less weight, I have bad news. That basest-of-base Supra comes in at a claimed 1,410 kilos, or 3,108 pounds. Even the heaviest 86 is a spry 2,800 lbs.

The wheelbase on the Supra is shorter as well (97 vs 101 in), though the full car is longer (172 vs 168 in). Toyota at least claims that the center of gravity is lower on the Supra than the 86. Below is as close to a comparo as I could get, though it’s a bit tricky.

All in all, it’s odd that the Supra, most famous for producing huge power figures with its old indestructible 2JZ, will be available with less raw performance than a car lambasted since 2012 for not having enough grunt. I’ve driven one of the Toyobaru Twins and I never found it lacking in power—it remains a Jalopnik staff favorite all around—but it’s still funny that the Supra is a byword for big boost, big numbers.

Where it’s really hard to parse things out is that not all that long ago Toyota was talking about a three-model sports car lineup. If the lowest-spec Supra is roughly on par with the 86, a car that’s been around since 2012, you start to wonder if the Supra is replacing that car in the lineup. And if it is, will Toyota be making two other new sports cars to fill out its desired three, or is it falling back on its plan? Why isn’t this four-cylinder Supra just called the Celica?

Honestly, I don’t care. Show me a yellow one and I’ll be happy.
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Sounds similar the MX5, JPN/Euro got the 1.5 with less power, US gets the more powerful 2.0 only. Doubtful anyone would buy the base Supra with the low power?
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