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Lol. Because the size of the 1993-97 Supra had a massive look to it. Still didn't weight a bunch. It had a mean and aggressive look. Whereas this one just looks like, as mentioned above, like a new MR2. It's like the R34 GT-R compared to the GTR. It's a MASSIVE difference between the size of the GTR compared to the R34 GT-R. Even the R33.
likely largely due to safety, I’m guessing. No manufacture is exempt from this.
As Americans continue to grow in size, so do the cars. Can’t sell cars if people can’t fit.
The new supra bucks that trend and people are complaining about it now, after complaining that cars always get too big. Turns out, manufactures can’t please anyone
likely largely due to safety, I’m guessing. No manufacture is exempt from this.
As Americans continue to grow in size, so do the cars. Can’t sell cars if people can’t fit.
The new supra bucks that trend and people are complaining about it now, after complaining that cars always get too big. Turns out, manufactures can’t please anyone
who complained Supra was too big? Just because it should not be getting bigger does not mean it should downsize to a compact size car.
If it was more like the size of the 1G NSX? I would've loved that. Take out the electric motors maybe, make the car smaller and subsequently drop the weight by at least a few hundred lbs.
I love the 2G NSX, but the original is still sexy and not dated looking even almost 30 years later. I have yet to hear anybody complain about the size of the NSX or S2000.
IMO if a new RX-7 came out, I would want it to be A90 sized. The FD was small.
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I would compare this to.... How would you feel if Honda designed the NSX to be the size of s2000?
That is what i am saying... The Supra should have stayed relatively the same size as before. and NSX got bigger but it should have stayed around the same size as NSX.
The issue here is the new Supra just went from Mid size to compact like if 1G NSX is now S2000 size.
When the Toyota FT-1 Concept was unveiled at the start of 2014, we had an inkling it offered a glimpse of the next-generation Supra. Truth be told, however, no one outside of Toyota and BMW knew at that time that a new-age Supra was indeed in the works.
Fast forward to the second half of 2018 and Toyota has been slowly providing new details about the long-awaited sports car and provided us with some revealing images. Select journalists even had the chance to test the car in prototype guise last week. Now, we have accurate renderings that depict exactly how the road-going Supra will look.
Drawn up by a member of the Supra MKV forums, these renderings show the reborn Supra without camouflage and adorned in a selection of colors that are expected to be offered to customers.
Perhaps the most eye-catching color for the production model will be a shade of red, similar to the color of the FT-1 Concept. These renderings also show the sports car in blue, white, yellow, grey, black, and silver.
In terms of the vehicle’s overall design, it is very similar to the FT-1 Concept. Viewed from the rear, the new Supra bears an uncanny resemblance to the concept and has almost identical taillights, a very similar lip spoiler, rear diffuser, rear fog light and circular tailpipes.
The roofline and shape of the side windows also remain true to the concept. Up front, the Supra gets a similar look to the FT-1 but due to its smaller proportions, doesn’t looks quite as appealing. Whereas the FT-1 Concept had the low-slung profile of a true front-engine supercar, the Supra is much smaller, has a shorter wheelbase, and looks much bulkier.
The assistant chief engineer on the A90 generation Toyota Supra, Masayuki Kai, has admitted that a manual Supra is possible, and that availability will depend on the business case for such a vehicle.
"We have developed it, yes, there is hardware ready," Kai told Car Advice. "Right-hand drive? Yes, of course. It needs to be sold in Japan, which is a right-hand drive market."
The engineering and design of a manual variant is the easy part of laying the groundwork for a manual Supra, however. Procurement, manufacturing, and testing are all far more costly than drafting a blueprint for a car, and whether Toyota produces three-pedal variants at all will be down to whether buyers demonstrate readiness to buy manual Supras.
"This is not yet finally decided, and depending on feedback from the market, we will decide if we should introduce a manual transmission," Kai concluded.
Kai has also emphasized that he would like to bring back Toyota's other abandoned sports car models—the MR2 and Celica—but that like manual Supras, the biggest hurdle is cost, made even more challenging by Toyota's total abandonment of sports cars for several years.
The Supra's BMW Z4 sister model (the pair share a platform co-developed by the two companies) is expected to come only with automatic transmissions. Regardless of transmission type, both are expected to enter production by Magna Steyr in Q4. Supra fans who want manual cars from the factory may want to speak out, as this could be one of the few occasions when an online petition is capable of changing anything.
The question of whether the new Toyota Supra will get a manual transmission has left enthusiasts guessing for months. Here's the good news: the Supra more than likely will get a three-pedal setup. The bad news? It's likely not in the cards for the U.S. market.
Speaking to the Australian publication Car Advicein a report last Wednesday, Supra assistant chief engineer, Masayuki Kai, said Toyota has developed a manual gearbox for the car. However, it's only been engineered for right-hand-drive markets. Obviously, the U.S. isn't one of those markets. Kai said the company hasn't made a final decision on whether the Supra will receive the manual transmission and it will depend on market feedback. He added the primary reason for developing the manual transmission was for the Japanese market.
The Supra's platform mate, the BMW Z4, will be an automatic-only affair. Thus, the manual Toyota has prepped likely either a Toyota unit or sourced by Toyota and not from BMW. The most concrete information surrounding Supra powertrains came from German transmission supplier ZF this past July. ZF documents detailed a 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-6 and a 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-4 option for the new Supra. Both were matched with a ZF 8-speed automatic the Supra will share with the BMW Z4.
Kai didn't say whether the manual would be exclusive to either the 6- or 4-cylinder engine. Nor did he offer up any timeframe for Toyota to make a final decision.
Rumors have ping-ponged back and forth between the idea of the Supra offering a manual transmission or not. Numerous sources have denied the idea of a fifth-generation Supra with a clutch pedal, though nearly as many have suggested there will be a row-your-own option. It appears the rumors landed somewhere in the middle of factual reality.
Given the latest development, we should begin facing the reality that U.S. Supra owners won't be swapping gears themselves.
So many cars in Europe are manual!! Autos still seem less common (though numbers are growing). I’d walk up and down the streets and peak inside every parked car... 7/10 seemed to still be manuals. This was the same in Germany, Spain and Poland. Trucks, SUVs, hatchbacks, wagons, sedans, CUVs, you name it... shiiiet... a loaded CR-V with a 6MT? I’d have one in my garage right now if I could buy one here!!
I had visions of myself, decades from now, withered and gray and hunkered down in a fortified underground base, away from the fallout and the mutant cannibals out roving the future wastelands, hunched over an ancient computer and desperately working in Photoshop to finally piece together an accurate render of the new Toyota Supra—just to see it once before I died.
But unless human civilization comes to an end between now and January, I won’t have to do that, since the new Supra is set to finally debut in production form at the Detroit Auto Show.
This, of course, caps off what’s felt like one of the longest car development periods in human history. There were the rumors, the FT-1 concepts, the spy shots, our exclusive render, the debut in camo, the other debut in camo, and probably some other stuff I forgot about because I can’t remember every single thing that happens to me over the course of five years. We’ve even driven the damn thing (it’s good!) still dressed in camo.
Anyway, it’ll finally sail into our hearts and minds in full production guise come January. If anyone needs me, I’ll be getting my bunker ready anyway, just in case.
I am seeing estimates in the $40k range. That would be for the 4-cylinder probably
Wasn't the Mk IV Supra Turbo in the $50k range, loaded? And this was in the '90s.
Mid $30s and it was considered very expensive back then. That is why it didnt sell too many. I think i would be reasonable to be in the low 50s loaded for the 6 cylinders.
We are not sure what kind of intention Toyota has (Sales # or they are just happy with 100 a month units) or what kind of agreement they have with BMW. It would be difficult for them to sell these too cheap when BMW's version is so expensive.
Mid $30s and it was considered very expensive back then. That is why it didnt sell too many. I think i would be reasonable to be in the low 50s loaded for the 6 cylinders.
We are not sure what kind of intention Toyota has (Sales # or they are just happy with 100 a month units) or what kind of agreement they have with BMW. It would be difficult for them to sell these too cheap when BMW's version is so expensive.
Badge tax is very real. BMW could easily ask for an extra $20k just for the roundel because the majority of people who are shopping a Z4 won't even realize that it's the same car as a Supra.
well. let's see if Supra is going to be a real bargain.
If FRS/BRZ is any indication, they would try to keep them somewhat reasonable within each other, so Toyota does not steal all the sales from BMW. That is why we dont know what kind of agreement they have.
Just when you thought you'd heard it all when Toyota claimed the BMW B58 inline-six engine in the 2020 Supra is “legendary,” the Japanese automaker returns with another statement that boggles the mind.
This time around, chief engineer Tetsuya Tada told GoAuto.com.au that pricing for the Supra would be “acceptable for Toyota fans.” For starters, acceptable is a vaguer term than you’d think. On a different note, remember how much the Z4 with the B58 costs in M40i flavor.
But wait, there’s more! According to Tada-san, “the goal for a Toyota sports car is not to sell a lot, but to really to sell Supra to fans who like cars a lot.”We’re not exactly sure that’s how an automaker makes profit through this business model, but then again, Toyota didn’t pour too much into the development of the Supra considering that most of the oily bits and architecture are sourced from BMW.
As if that wasn’t confusing enough, rewind back to April 2018. That’s when Toyota’s vice-president of research & development said the Supra “will not be a cheap car,” which goes to show how little the higher-ups, engineers, and marketers know about the legacy of this nameplate.
Scheduled to be revealed in January 2019 at the Detroit Auto Show, the 2020 Supra will also be available with a four-cylinder turbo, also from BMW. The B48 in the 20i develops 197 PS (195 horsepower) and 320 Nm (236 pound-feet) of torque, which begs a question.
Who would take Toyota on their offer instead of Mazda with the MX-5 RF? The 2019 refresh saw the SkyActiv-G gain a handful of ponies, and even though the 2.0-liter engine isn't big on torque because of natural aspiration, the lower weight of the MX-5 and narrower tires more than make up for it.
Also worthy of mention, who would spend in the ballpark of $50,000 if not more for a Supra with the range-topping engine? People with that kind of disposable income are better off buying a second-hand 718 Cayman or Corvette, two cars that are extremely different in nature but similar in terms of driving pleasure.
Car guys and gals at this point know that Toyota is bringing the Supra back after many years of being away. The car is the result of a tie-up with Toyota and BMW. We’ve already seen much of what the Z4 will offer with its decent enough styling. Most are hoping for something more sporty looking from Toyota.
A new image of what is claimed to be the rear end of the Supra has leaked. The image shows the car clad in a beautiful yellow shade complete with Supra name under the trunk lid. The tail lights are sculpted and nice looking with the trunk lid having an integrated ducktail spoiler.
The rear valance is black and has what appears to be louvers for aerodynamics. Fans of the Supra have been a bit concerned over pricing. A rumor on the Z4 pegged the M40i version of that car to carry a price that is rumored to pass the $65,000 range.
The fear is that Toyota will try and hold to similar pricing putting the Supra out of reach of the legions of buyers wanting one. The Surpa rear looks similar to the FT-1 concept that was shown off in 2014.
Notably, the Supra leak lacks the retractable spoiler seen on that concept, but it may be tucked away in this leaked image. The rear air vents are missing in the Supra that were seen on the FT-1.
Lol as a MKIV Supra owner I must say many of my friends that own MKIV's aren't exactly happy with the MKV. I'm more optimistic don't want the car to fail, will I buy one not sure at this point and if I do it would just be an addition to the MKIV in the garage.
The MKIV is a hard car to replace and please everyone no matter what Toyota did some people would have been unhappy.
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