Toyota: Camry News
12-06-2005, 05:32 PM
#241
Originally Posted by gilboman
honda have interest (are they not in it to make money 
), they just don't have the resources to
1. offer so many models since they don't have the means to design/produce as many cars for different markets
2. Their cars are not as appealing to the mass market as toyota's are. if honda had no interest in such things, they wouldnt be rebadging hondas and selling them as acura to boost sales. they can't be like toyota and design from ground up because they just dont have nearly the resources as a toyota can
), they just don't have the resources to 1. offer so many models since they don't have the means to design/produce as many cars for different markets
2. Their cars are not as appealing to the mass market as toyota's are. if honda had no interest in such things, they wouldnt be rebadging hondas and selling them as acura to boost sales. they can't be like toyota and design from ground up because they just dont have nearly the resources as a toyota can
You answered your own question in the first sentence...you do not make as much money selling to fleet markets as you do to the public. Think about it - these fleet sales are for company cars or rentals...the private institution, whether its Hertz or some small company, pay a discounted X amount for Y number of cars. Their discounted price elevates Toyota's sales volume - to compete with GM in leading sales. It is not to boost revenue - Toyota's fleet percentage of 14%, though greater than Honda's, is far more conservative than GM's. Though they're not exactly throwing away money, they're not making as much on those cars as they would if those cars were sold to individuals. So you might want to take that
back.Your following 2 points have no relevance to the fleet sales topic. Toyota is much larger than Honda - of course they can produce more. That does not mean they have to sell to fleet markets. They do it because they have other motives, besides financial.
Certain Honda cars are just as appealing , if not more, than Toyota. In this particular case, we're talking Accord vs. Camry. As I've mentioned earlier, look at the sales number for previous years...subtract whatever percentage of fleet sales from Camry numbers and from Accord numbers, and you will see that when you minus the fleet numbers, the Accord outsold the Camry. Only recently has the Accord sales gone down, due to its controversial looks.
2001: Honda officially takes the sales crown, just as Toyota readies a new Camry for 2002.
2002 sales total:
Camry: 434,145 x .14 = 60,780; 434,145 - 60,780 = 373364
Accord: 398,980 x .021 = 8,378; 398,980 - 8,378 = 390601
2003 sales total:
Camry: 413,296 x .14 = 57,861; 413,296 - 57,861 = 355434
Accord: 397,750 x .021 = 8,352; 397750 - 8,352 = 389,397
2004 sales total:
Camry: 426,990 x .14 = 59,778; 426,990 - 59,778 = 367211
Accord: 386,770 x .021 = 8,122; 386,770 - 8,122 = 378647
So gilbo, if you were to measure appeal by a car's sales number, it seems like you're wrong. In the case of Accord vs. Camry, more people find the Accord more appealing. What about enthusiasts? Hmm, haven't seen the Camry on C&D's 10Best list as much as I see the Accord. And in how many comparisons has the Accord out ranked the Camry? You could take that as a measure of appeal, and the Accord still wins.
12-06-2005, 09:37 PM
#242
I'm the Firestarter
Originally Posted by Bobbydoedoe
taken from s2ki:
America's best-selling car is redesigned for 2007, getting new styling, more power and features, and, for the first time, a gas/electric hybrid model. Camry retains the same overall length as the 2002-2006 version, but adds 2.2 inches to wheelbase and cuts height by nearly an inch. Base-model curb weight is up some 175 lb. New features include standard instead of optional curtain side airbags. The line consists of a price-leader CE trim level, volume LE, sporty SE, and luxury XLE. All come with a 158-hp 2.4-liter 4-cyl engine and a 5-speed manual transmission or a 5-speed automtic. LE, SE, and XLE also offer V6 versions with a 268-hp 3.5-liter and a 6-speed automatic transmission. Camry's previous most-powerful V6 had 210 hp and used a 5-speed automatic.
Both '07 automatics include a manual shift gate. The Hybrid teams a special 2.4-liter 4-cyl gas engine with a battery-powered electric motor for 192 net hp. It teams with a continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT) providing near-infinite drive ratios. Like Toyota's smaller Prius hybrid, Camry's automatically drives on either or both power sources, depending on conditions, and requires no plug-in charging. Antilock 4-wheel disc brakes are standard for all models. So are front torso side airbags, head-protecting curtain side airbags, and, for the first time, a driver's knee airbag.
The Hybrid adds antiskid/traction control that's available for other models. SEs come with 17-inch wheels, the other models with 16s. SEs also have a firmer suspension, and specific trim inside and out. The Hybrid also has unique interior and exterior trim. A split folding rear seat is standard except on SE and Hybrid, which have a fixed seat with center pass-through. Leather upholstery is included on the V6 XLE, available for the 4-cyl XLE and the SE. A navigation system with CD changer and wireless cell-phone link is optional for SE and XLE, as are heated seats. A new-to-Camry keyless-entry/starting system is included on Hybrid and available for V6 XLE.
America's best-selling car is redesigned for 2007, getting new styling, more power and features, and, for the first time, a gas/electric hybrid model. Camry retains the same overall length as the 2002-2006 version, but adds 2.2 inches to wheelbase and cuts height by nearly an inch. Base-model curb weight is up some 175 lb. New features include standard instead of optional curtain side airbags. The line consists of a price-leader CE trim level, volume LE, sporty SE, and luxury XLE. All come with a 158-hp 2.4-liter 4-cyl engine and a 5-speed manual transmission or a 5-speed automtic. LE, SE, and XLE also offer V6 versions with a 268-hp 3.5-liter and a 6-speed automatic transmission. Camry's previous most-powerful V6 had 210 hp and used a 5-speed automatic.
Both '07 automatics include a manual shift gate. The Hybrid teams a special 2.4-liter 4-cyl gas engine with a battery-powered electric motor for 192 net hp. It teams with a continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT) providing near-infinite drive ratios. Like Toyota's smaller Prius hybrid, Camry's automatically drives on either or both power sources, depending on conditions, and requires no plug-in charging. Antilock 4-wheel disc brakes are standard for all models. So are front torso side airbags, head-protecting curtain side airbags, and, for the first time, a driver's knee airbag.
The Hybrid adds antiskid/traction control that's available for other models. SEs come with 17-inch wheels, the other models with 16s. SEs also have a firmer suspension, and specific trim inside and out. The Hybrid also has unique interior and exterior trim. A split folding rear seat is standard except on SE and Hybrid, which have a fixed seat with center pass-through. Leather upholstery is included on the V6 XLE, available for the 4-cyl XLE and the SE. A navigation system with CD changer and wireless cell-phone link is optional for SE and XLE, as are heated seats. A new-to-Camry keyless-entry/starting system is included on Hybrid and available for V6 XLE.
So:
- Toyota is not offering the hybrid as a performance option like the Accord V6, but purely as a fuel economy option.
- It sucks that there is no folding rear seat (just like there isn't one on the Accord V6), so far the only affordable hybrid on the market with good cargo capacity is the Prius, and so it's the only one I would consider.
12-09-2005, 09:58 AM
#243
Burning Brakes
thats hott
with this & the new civic- i cant wait to see how the new accord/ tl are going to turn out.... it will be awesome-
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...3&page=4&pp=15
12-09-2005, 07:45 PM
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REAL LIFE PHOTOS OF 2007 CAmry!!
http://target.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph...66.jpg&.src=ph
Credit: tommyg12 at Edmunds
The grill looks kind of awkward, but otherwise I'm liking it, especially the interior.
Credit: tommyg12 at Edmunds
The grill looks kind of awkward, but otherwise I'm liking it, especially the interior.
12-09-2005, 08:02 PM
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Nice find. Glad the USA model doesn't have the grill slats, much better.
It looks like a Mazda front end
,
7-series rear end
grafted onto a current camry body.
Interior, nice design/layout, reminds me of BMWs style, but the plastic material looks like crap.
It looks like a Mazda front end
,7-series rear end
grafted onto a current camry body.
Interior, nice design/layout, reminds me of BMWs style, but the plastic material looks like crap.
12-09-2005, 08:31 PM
#246
Drifting
I am sorry but I have yet to find a Toyota that has an exterior design that is either appealing or exciting to me.... including this one..... BLAND is still the word. Just my humble opinion.....
12-10-2005, 07:05 AM
#257
GEEZER
Meh.
12-10-2005, 12:46 PM
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They need to work on the fit and finish especially on the steering wheel. Overall the base model looks OK, but for the same price I'd rather get the Hyundai Sonata LX V6.
12-10-2005, 02:38 PM
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Should be interesting to see if they switch out the silver trim pieces in the LE model to black or a dark colored wood. Those pics are pretty sweet though of a car that hasn't been shown yet.
12-10-2005, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
They need to work on the fit and finish especially on the steering wheel. Overall the base model looks OK, but for the same price I'd rather get the Hyundai Sonata LX V6.
12-10-2005, 10:24 PM
#265
hail to the victors
Originally Posted by phile
Hi gilbo, long time no speak.
You answered your own question in the first sentence...you do not make as much money selling to fleet markets as you do to the public. Think about it - these fleet sales are for company cars or rentals...the private institution, whether its Hertz or some small company, pay a discounted X amount for Y number of cars. Their discounted price elevates Toyota's sales volume - to compete with GM in leading sales. It is not to boost revenue - Toyota's fleet percentage of 14%, though greater than Honda's, is far more conservative than GM's. Though they're not exactly throwing away money, they're not making as much on those cars as they would if those cars were sold to individuals. So you might want to take that back.
Your following 2 points have no relevance to the fleet sales topic. Toyota is much larger than Honda - of course they can produce more. That does not mean they have to sell to fleet markets. They do it because they have other motives, besides financial.
Certain Honda cars are just as appealing , if not more, than Toyota. In this particular case, we're talking Accord vs. Camry. As I've mentioned earlier, look at the sales number for previous years...subtract whatever percentage of fleet sales from Camry numbers and from Accord numbers, and you will see that when you minus the fleet numbers, the Accord outsold the Camry. Only recently has the Accord sales gone down, due to its controversial looks.
2001: Honda officially takes the sales crown, just as Toyota readies a new Camry for 2002.
2002 sales total:
Camry: 434,145 x .14 = 60,780; 434,145 - 60,780 = 373364
Accord: 398,980 x .021 = 8,378; 398,980 - 8,378 = 390601
2003 sales total:
Camry: 413,296 x .14 = 57,861; 413,296 - 57,861 = 355434
Accord: 397,750 x .021 = 8,352; 397750 - 8,352 = 389,397
2004 sales total:
Camry: 426,990 x .14 = 59,778; 426,990 - 59,778 = 367211
Accord: 386,770 x .021 = 8,122; 386,770 - 8,122 = 378647
So gilbo, if you were to measure appeal by a car's sales number, it seems like you're wrong. In the case of Accord vs. Camry, more people find the Accord more appealing. What about enthusiasts? Hmm, haven't seen the Camry on C&D's 10Best list as much as I see the Accord. And in how many comparisons has the Accord out ranked the Camry? You could take that as a measure of appeal, and the Accord still wins.
You answered your own question in the first sentence...you do not make as much money selling to fleet markets as you do to the public. Think about it - these fleet sales are for company cars or rentals...the private institution, whether its Hertz or some small company, pay a discounted X amount for Y number of cars. Their discounted price elevates Toyota's sales volume - to compete with GM in leading sales. It is not to boost revenue - Toyota's fleet percentage of 14%, though greater than Honda's, is far more conservative than GM's. Though they're not exactly throwing away money, they're not making as much on those cars as they would if those cars were sold to individuals. So you might want to take that
back.Your following 2 points have no relevance to the fleet sales topic. Toyota is much larger than Honda - of course they can produce more. That does not mean they have to sell to fleet markets. They do it because they have other motives, besides financial.
Certain Honda cars are just as appealing , if not more, than Toyota. In this particular case, we're talking Accord vs. Camry. As I've mentioned earlier, look at the sales number for previous years...subtract whatever percentage of fleet sales from Camry numbers and from Accord numbers, and you will see that when you minus the fleet numbers, the Accord outsold the Camry. Only recently has the Accord sales gone down, due to its controversial looks.
2001: Honda officially takes the sales crown, just as Toyota readies a new Camry for 2002.
2002 sales total:
Camry: 434,145 x .14 = 60,780; 434,145 - 60,780 = 373364
Accord: 398,980 x .021 = 8,378; 398,980 - 8,378 = 390601
2003 sales total:
Camry: 413,296 x .14 = 57,861; 413,296 - 57,861 = 355434
Accord: 397,750 x .021 = 8,352; 397750 - 8,352 = 389,397
2004 sales total:
Camry: 426,990 x .14 = 59,778; 426,990 - 59,778 = 367211
Accord: 386,770 x .021 = 8,122; 386,770 - 8,122 = 378647
So gilbo, if you were to measure appeal by a car's sales number, it seems like you're wrong. In the case of Accord vs. Camry, more people find the Accord more appealing. What about enthusiasts? Hmm, haven't seen the Camry on C&D's 10Best list as much as I see the Accord. And in how many comparisons has the Accord out ranked the Camry? You could take that as a measure of appeal, and the Accord still wins.
if toyota didn't sell 14% to rental companies, i'm sure they would find a way to sell those 14% to people. they make certain amount of camry's every year, and they sell everyone of them. that's why toyota is the most profitable company.
12-11-2005, 02:57 PM
#266
Originally Posted by chungkopi
if toyota didn't sell 14% to rental companies, i'm sure they would find a way to sell those 14% to people. they make certain amount of camry's every year, and they sell everyone of them. that's why toyota is the most profitable company.
Furthermore, as evidenced by the Accord overtaking the Camry in 2001, when a new Camry was due, it appears that Toyota stopped selling to the fleet market. So that implies that the 14% is accounted for prior to selling whatever remaining Camry's are left over for that year.
12-11-2005, 10:11 PM
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The sizzle in the Steak
Too bland...but then Camry = bland car for the masses.
12-12-2005, 12:05 PM
#275
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Oh man. The front end looks like it came straight off an Echo.
The interior isn't exactly my cup of tea. I know a lot of people that would like it though. I still prefer the Accord. Toyota, as usual, will sell a lot of these, but I don't think all that many people will be trading in Accords for Camrys.
The interior isn't exactly my cup of tea. I know a lot of people that would like it though. I still prefer the Accord. Toyota, as usual, will sell a lot of these, but I don't think all that many people will be trading in Accords for Camrys.
12-12-2005, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by subtledreamer
looks like teh mazda6 humped teh is250.
12-12-2005, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by M TYPE X
speedometer: 80 mph at 12 o'clock! ... anybody wanna drive a Camry up to 160 mph?! 
12-12-2005, 11:03 PM
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The only thing I really like about the interior is the chrome shift stalk and the chrome accents on the shiftgate. I don't like the overall interior design and the aluminum accents are a tad excessive.
12-13-2005, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Poindexter919
Dag Nabbitt!! Bandwidth exceeded.
Here they are again
Here they are again