av6ent

Actually, lots do and will. Especially those who had last gen. Accord V6 (98-02) and said fuck that POS transmission and NO low-end torque. I personally know 5 accord owners who traded in and get Camry as a daily driver. And current Accord V6 models as some still reported issues with V6 autotragic .

This Camry will definately steal sales from Accord except for 6MT.
I personally like it a lot as a daily driven vehicle .

phile

Actually lots of people don't leave the Accord for the Camry for the reasons you mentioned. The current Camry sells well because of low financing offered by Toyota, its dealers' willingness to deal with bargain hunters, as well as fleet sales that are added to the Camry's overall sales number. If you were to include just sales for private use, the Accord has been the best selling midsize car for the past decade. Accord sales have slowed down with the redesign because of its controversial exterior. It had nothing to do with its engines and transmissions. Your story about your friends leaving for the Camry is anecdotal at best. The sales numbers themselves do not show that. And in fact with the recent refresh, sales have increased.

iNteGraz92

then two years later, we will compare the new accord to the camry then you will say "you can't compare them since the camry is the old model"

Moog-Type-S

The interior neither excites nor offends....typical Camry.

AsianRage

The interior looks hot. The interior of the current gen was the only reason why I didn't buy the SE version. It is/was so boring and unemotional. I couldn't even get myself to test drive it

av6ent

Heh?
Why da hell do you think people getting rid of ASAP 98-04 V6 Accords and TL/CL/CL-S/TL-S 99-03?
Constant transmission problems is one of the major reasons. Just ask anybody here on 1st gen. CL, 2nd gen TL/CL and 6th gen. Accord on v6p.net

Fuck Honda for constant bullshit since '98. Nissan/Infiniti kicked its ass and continue to do so in performance department. And current M35/M45 kicked ass the current RL in both performance and look.

Sure about the sale numbers?
The data shown below states otherwise.
Seems only Oct. 2005 Hybrid sales Help Accord to increase 1.9% comparing to Oct. 2004.
Look at Honda for May 2005 and compare to May 2004 which is -23.7%.
Camry does kick ass and continues to do so. Fuck Honda. I owned Accord V6 '01 and TL-S '02 with constant issues . No more Honda for me and anyone I know.




So, next time before you pull the numbers out your ass, be prepared to state otherwise and show some proof, mkay?

Crazy Bimmer

These been posted?

phile

Maybe you should learn to analyze the numbers before you post them. if Honda is losing sales to the Camry (as you stated), the decrease in Accord sales would mirror an increase in Camry sales of the same size. It doesn't. Accord lost sales alright, but it wasn't to Camry.

Furthermore, the Camry has always sold in more numbers than the Accord, you can look in past sales numbers for the two and see the same trend. As I already said, the sales numbers for the Camry include fleet sales, the Accord doesn't.

And BTW, why only show the numbers for May 05? Oh right, because it shows a decrease in sales, just convenient enough to support your argument, whereas you completely ignore March, April, September, August - months that show an increase in Accord sales. July and October - Accord sales increased slightly. So for 6 out of 10 months, Accord sales has actually increased while you selected the worst month of the year for Accord's decrease in sales to prove your point? Weak.

http://www.hondanews.com/CatID1007?html=sales.html

Moog-Type-S

[QUOTE=Crazy Sellout]These been posted?



I only like this pic the rest of the pics look boring.

charliemike

It IS a Camry

Moog-Type-S

Hence the

Yumcha

It looks like the old Mazda Millenia...

chungkopi

trust me, this looks much much better than accord. have you guys seen accord's new rear? it's disgusting.

cusdaddy

I actually think the new Accord looks pretty decent in person. It looks bad in pictures but in person it's decent. I think it looks better than this Camry.

The moral? Neither is a stand out in the styling department, so which looks better is in the eye of the consumer. I doubt much will change in regards to sales between the two models.

av6ent

Jesus. Can you read YEAR TO DATE numbers posted?

I specifically shown current 2005 mid-year (May) and latest available sales figures (Oct) for both models and don't have to include every frigging month sale.
Typically, folks make big purchase like cars before April 15 deadline that's why usually car sale increase from Feb until May.

Regardless, compare 2005 Accord numbers to 2004 which went down despite Accord Hybrid sales. If you saying Camry selling higher only due to fleet sale, you forgetting the increase for Accord due to Hybrid model Camry doesn't have it yet.

In addition, there is a major reason car rentals don't have the Accords - reliability. Camry costs more than Accord despite bland look (inside/out), however more reliable resulting in increase in sales and current consumers are more educated than before.

BTW, Accord had best years I believe mid-90s but will never catch solid and reliable Camry in sales. Watch the numbers when this new model going to hit the dealer show rooms.

Infamous425

that is a ridiculously boring looking camry, as usual. might help the nicer looking ford fusion with sales

heyitsme

I think its because Honda continues to have a very low % of fleet sales in comparison to Toyota, has nothing to do with reliability. In 2004 Hondas total % of passenger car fleets sales was 1.4%, Toyotas was 9.5%.

A lead by one company is never guaranteed. Its to be expected that there will be an increase in camry sales considering its a new model, but I wouldn't expect anything huge, the segment is too competitive for one car to just run away with all the sales.

Teh Jatt

My guess is that Honda will re-design 07 or 08 Accord if they redesign 07 TSX.

03TL-S

Reminds me of an IS350 in this pic

Ken1997TL

The Accord is on a 5 year model cycle. Therefore it will come out in 2007 as a 2008 model for its 8th generation.

phile

I'm not going to repeat myself again - the Camry always had higher sales number than the Accord - for reasons i've already mentioned. Of course year to date sales number is higher - it's been that way for years. The monthly fluctuation was to emphasize that the Accord's customer base isn't leaving it in droves - as you stated - for the Camry. If that's the case, it would see a sales decrease every single month leading up to a decrease in the yearly numbers. And you're saying the Accord's increase is because of the hybrid model - the hybrid numbers provide very little help. Look at October's numbers...the hybrid Accord accounted for less than 5% of the total sales. Look at the regular Accord numbers...it was around 500 units less than last year's October...big whoop.

Did you pull that little diddy out of your ass too? Then explain the sales increase for the rest of the Accord's months after April 15.

And FYI it was as recently as 2001 when the Accord outsold the Camry in annual numbers. And no, it was from 1989-91 that the Accord had the highest annual numbers than any other cars, not mid 90s.

phile

I remember seeing that Toyota's fleet % is actually around 14%.

heyitsme

Yeah, the mid year #'s are out by model for 2005, camry is 14%, accord is 2.1%.

http://www.fleet-central.com/af/t_re...action=af_stat

d-rock

ive always thought accords cost more, and as for camry as a fleet car because of reliability tell how come people usually get fords and GMs for rentals

Sclass88

The Accord is still better. Period.

Camry =

BUD001

well now that we know what the camry looks like i want to see what the tarted up version is going to look . for those uninitiated, a camry tarted up is a lexus ES. I would expect a different interior and a modified exterior.

youngTL

Accords always have costed less, at least as far back as my memory serves me.

Prices are from the Canadian versions

2006 Toyota Camry XLE V6 w/ package B: $36,835
(contents of pkg B)
Vehicle Stability Control (VSC)
Advanced Traction Control System (TRAC)
ABS with Brake Assist
Heated Driver and Front Passenger Seats
Power Passenger's Seat
Leather Seat Surfaces
Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
Synthetic Leather Door Trim
2006 Honda Accord EX-V6 Automatic: $34100

helloha

Who wants camry for 36k when you can get a fully loaded TL with Navi for 32k

95gt

Those are canadian prices

phile

Looked better in black.




The side profile looks almost exactly like the current Camry, probably hasn't grown in size. If it did, the changes might be minimal.

But overall a good looking car.

heyitsme

The headlight and taillights look better but I don't think the grill is very appealing at all.

AsianRage

Hmmm, it looks like a fatty Mazda 3. The grill, however, isn't a rip from the 3 but it's rather an evolution of the Hong Kong market Camry grille. I like it better than the current Accord.

titan

The exterior isn't excititng or appealing to me, but I think the interior's very nice.

Stevens24

Toyota fleets so many cars because they are trying to catch GM for largest car maker title. Honda has no interest in such things. How many times has the Camry been on the ten best list??? Thats what I thought.

DownUnder

Looking forward to renting a new Camry at Hertz for my next trip.

Moog-Type-S

Black makes fugly cars look decent.

youngTL

Please reread my post. The TL without nav stickers for $42000 up here.

Bobbydoedoe

taken from s2ki:

America's best-selling car is redesigned for 2007, getting new styling, more power and features, and, for the first time, a gas/electric hybrid model. Camry retains the same overall length as the 2002-2006 version, but adds 2.2 inches to wheelbase and cuts height by nearly an inch. Base-model curb weight is up some 175 lb. New features include standard instead of optional curtain side airbags. The line consists of a price-leader CE trim level, volume LE, sporty SE, and luxury XLE. All come with a 158-hp 2.4-liter 4-cyl engine and a 5-speed manual transmission or a 5-speed automtic. LE, SE, and XLE also offer V6 versions with a 268-hp 3.5-liter and a 6-speed automatic transmission. Camry's previous most-powerful V6 had 210 hp and used a 5-speed automatic.

Both '07 automatics include a manual shift gate. The Hybrid teams a special 2.4-liter 4-cyl gas engine with a battery-powered electric motor for 192 net hp. It teams with a continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT) providing near-infinite drive ratios. Like Toyota's smaller Prius hybrid, Camry's automatically drives on either or both power sources, depending on conditions, and requires no plug-in charging. Antilock 4-wheel disc brakes are standard for all models. So are front torso side airbags, head-protecting curtain side airbags, and, for the first time, a driver's knee airbag.

The Hybrid adds antiskid/traction control that's available for other models. SEs come with 17-inch wheels, the other models with 16s. SEs also have a firmer suspension, and specific trim inside and out. The Hybrid also has unique interior and exterior trim. A split folding rear seat is standard except on SE and Hybrid, which have a fixed seat with center pass-through. Leather upholstery is included on the V6 XLE, available for the 4-cyl XLE and the SE. A navigation system with CD changer and wireless cell-phone link is optional for SE and XLE, as are heated seats. A new-to-Camry keyless-entry/starting system is included on Hybrid and available for V6 XLE.

gilboman

honda have interest (are they not in it to make money ), they just don't have the resources to

1. offer so many models since they don't have the means to design/produce as many cars for different markets

2. Their cars are not as appealing to the mass market as toyota's are. if honda had no interest in such things, they wouldnt be rebadging hondas and selling them as acura to boost sales. they can't be like toyota and design from ground up because they just dont have nearly the resources as a toyota can

95gt