Toyota: Camry News
06-28-2005, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Needs more black tape!
It will still be the same Buick like handling softy with perhaps a dash of style this time around.
06-28-2005, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by titan
Rumor is it'll be based off the next gen rwd Avalon.
06-28-2005, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
You think that Toyota will wait THAT long for a new ES? The last one was in what, 2003? The new Avalon JUST came out, which means probably 4-5 years for a new one with a new platform. That would make the ES330 SEVEN years old!
06-29-2005, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by titan
Rumor is it'll be based off the next gen rwd Avalon.
06-29-2005, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
No one has a 4 RWD sedan lineup and Lexus won't either. The whole point of the ES is to be a soft, luxurious, cheap entry level car. Throw in RWD and the soft and cheap parts gets thrown out the window. As it is, Lexus is the only one that has a FWDer thrown in with the RWDers (never mind Acura/Audi - cause their whole line up is FWD or FWD biased AWD). The only reason Lexus isn't killing the ES is because it's selling so well. Unless the IS somehow takes away all of the ES sales and starts selling at 6K+ mo, look for the next ES to be more of the same - a very nice Camry - perhaps with a bit more styling difference to set it apart.
06-29-2005, 09:55 PM
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with all the tape...it must have been designed during the anthrax and biological weapons scare...when the gov't told ppl to carry duct tape with them 
well...i thought that was funny when I thought of it...now that I wrote it down...it doesn;t seem as funny
well...i thought that was funny when I thought of it...now that I wrote it down...it doesn;t seem as funny
06-30-2005, 11:38 AM
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With the shift to RWD even from non-luxury makers, we have to keep in mind that the cost differential between FWD and RWD is not as huge as it was before and it's getting even smaller. As you know, Pontiac will switch to RWD in the future, so we will see a lot more RWD/AWD offerings from mainstream marques in the mid-term future.
06-30-2005, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by titan
I'll say it again. It's just a rumor. And again, as I said, I could really care less about the ES. If I were Lexus, I'd kill it, assuming the IS does as well as I think it will. Sure it makes money, but the I35 was Infiniti's money maker. The difference between Infiniti and Lexus is that Lexus' image is far from tarnished, and leaving one FWD car in the lineup doesn't sting them like it was the wannabe Japanese BMW that was fighting to rebuild it's image virtually from scratch (starting with the G that eased the acceptance of the I being obsolete). So, Lexus can leave the ES FWD, or make it RWD... either way it'll be soft. And trust me, just because a vehicle is RWD doesn't automatically make it not "soft." They could easily have a RWD ES that continues to wallow and drive a like a boat.
FWD Acuras and Lexuses will continue.
06-30-2005, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by M TYPE X
Lexus' image is only "tarnished" by enthusiasts who irrationally expect them to be sporty vehicles. The overall public believes Lexus >>>>>>>>>>>>> * and Infiniti = who? (still!).
FWD Acuras and Lexuses will continue.
FWD Acuras and Lexuses will continue.
07-01-2005, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
With the shift to RWD even from non-luxury makers, we have to keep in mind that the cost differential between FWD and RWD is not as huge as it was before and it's getting even smaller. As you know, Pontiac will switch to RWD in the future, so we will see a lot more RWD/AWD offerings from mainstream marques in the mid-term future.
07-01-2005, 09:38 AM
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Misunderstood your post. Yes, I think 98 was when they got the power boost to 285 and then 300 for the SS.
07-01-2005, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
When GM spending an extra $200 on the interior of its cars is a huge deal, switching any of its models to RWD will absolutely be killed by their bean counters. RWD is at least 1-2K more than FWD of a similar car - very hard to justify in a segement of razor thin margins. Other than full size cars, sport coupes or the luxury segment, I don't see more RWD cars any time in the foreseable future.
I am guessing the extra cost is closer to 1K than 2K btw. Especially for someone like GM where economies of scale help more than with other manufacturers due to volume.
07-08-2005, 09:23 AM
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Toyota raising prices on Camry, RAV4 and Prius for '06 - - MARK RECHTIN | Automotive News - - Source: Autoweek
Toyota will raise prices on its 2006 Camry lineup when it arrives in showrooms this month.
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The 2006 Camry will start at $18,985, including shipping, a $250 increase over the previous sticker price. The $250 increase applies across the entire model line.
The 2006 Camry Solara coupe will see a $150 bump to $20,070, while the convertible will increase by $400 to $27,480.
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The 2006 Camry will start at $18,985, including shipping, a $250 increase over the previous sticker price. The $250 increase applies across the entire model line.
The 2006 Camry Solara coupe will see a $150 bump to $20,070, while the convertible will increase by $400 to $27,480.
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07-08-2005, 06:32 PM
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I dunno, this expected price increase may be it. Toyota seems to have been able to maintain prices when introducing new models with more equipment by becoming more efficient in other areas.
07-09-2005, 11:14 AM
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I wonder how much of this increase is due to the President's talk about Toyota raising prices. Three major player-cars have gone up some as you see from the other two threads. Let's see what happens next year.
07-11-2005, 05:01 PM
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Amazing how GM, Ford and Chrysler are trying to out-do each other on fire sales, while Toyota happily raises prices across the board...
07-20-2005, 02:22 PM
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2007 Toyota Camry Spy Photos - - by Przemek Lis - - Source: www.japanesecarfans.com
As a 2007 model the next generation Toyota Camry goes on sale early next year. The Camry will be larger in all dimensions than its predecessor and receive a major change in styling more along the lines of the new Avalon and the CCX Concept presented back in 2002. Continuing its onslaught of hybrid vehicles Toyota announced in May that the 2007 Camry will receive a V6 hybrid engine to compete with Honda's V6 Hybrid Accord launched last December. The longstanding 3.0 liter V6 engine will finally take a bow and make way for either a revised 3.3 liter V6 or the new 3.5 liter V6 currently found in the Avalon. Debut expected in Tokyo with sales starting in the New Year in the US. The Camry will be built in the Georgetown, Kentucky plant.
07-20-2005, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Is that an "H" on the grille 
07-20-2005, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Hehehe.... I did not notice that. Looks like an H no doubt, but why the hell did they do that? So people think it's the Accord? Why?
Pratical joke if I had to bet.
Could also be a message to Honda.
07-20-2005, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Pratical joke if I had to bet.
Could also be a message to Honda.
Could also be a message to Honda.
07-20-2005, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Is that an "H" on the grille
I really like the profile of the car so far. Far better than the Accord.
I really like the profile of the car so far. Far better than the Accord.
07-20-2005, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by titan
Yeah... I wonder if that means "Hybrid." Or maybe it means "Honda" killer, lol. Glad to see that they're finally retiring that old 3.0V6. They have a great opiton choice. I like the ES's 3.3L V6. But they could pull a Nissan and just detune the 3.5L as the article suggested. I'd go with the 3.5L.
During my 3 day driving life with an RX330 last year, I found nothing to like about the 3.3L. The same goes for the 5 speed tranny. Actually the tranny was two steps backward when compared to the 4 speed in the RX300. I hope it was how they matched it to the RX330 and not that the engine is a bad engine.
07-20-2005, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
During my 3 day driving life with an RX330 last year, I found nothing to like about the 3.3L. The same goes for the 5 speed tranny. Actually the tranny was two steps backward when compared to the 4 speed in the RX300. I hope it was how they matched it to the RX330 and not that the engine is a bad engine.
07-21-2005, 10:59 AM
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When I was in Japan in February, I went to the Toyota Showroom and took pictures of the Mark X. Back then I thought it was going to be the new IS, but I guess I was wrong. Enjoy the pics:
07-21-2005, 01:07 PM
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I looovvee that interior. Talk about classy. The shift console is nice as hell. Very nice, and in the same vein as the new Avalon. I really like this Mark X, in and out.
07-21-2005, 01:22 PM
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I'm with Dom on this one. The interior looks like they tried too hard. The iPod inspired shift gate is a little fem for my taste. The pieces look like they're good quality but the color scheme just doesn't work. Too many sharp edges and mismatched colors. Some of the buttons on the center console (i.e. recirc and defrost) are a long reach for the driver.
The exterior looks fine, even with a hint of bangle butt in the rear.
The exterior looks fine, even with a hint of bangle butt in the rear.
07-21-2005, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
That interior is awful and talk about ripping off the 7 series.
The interior is too "busy" and "cluttered" looking for my tastes. This isn't the usual Toyota clean look. I don't like it.
07-21-2005, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MSZ
Mark X is one of the Fuga's main rival in Japan. But on paper everything Fuga offers is better than the Mark X.