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Old 03-28-2021, 08:14 PM
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So, let me get this straight. In order for Tesla to reach its much-ballyhooed EPA range, it needs to drain its safety buffer below 0 miles to achieve it (and sometimes, not even)? Meanwhile, almost all the other cars easily meet or beat their EPA range without needing to resort to such trickery? Why was this test unfair again?

Are the Teslarati triggered because the SR+ lost out to a friggin Leaf?
So, here's what bothers me about this whole thing: No one needs the whole 300 mile range. Roadtripping an EV is a percentages game. You go as far as you can when going from 60% to 10%, charge again to 60%, then keep going.

No one with an ICE vehicle really cares about the car's "range". It's not a thing you normally think about (Unless it's the Lexus LFA and its tiny fuel tank. even then who cares?).

Tesla fanboys have made things about range. Statements like "oh, this car will fail because it has low range" or "this car will fail because of its range". Tesla range overestimation is the worst kept secret among owners. My car is about 80% efficient and my wife's is about the same. Maybe like four days in a given fall you'll get the exact 300 mile range and that's almost never when you need it.

Realistically, for every day driving and family vacations, you need about 220-240 miles of range. That's really about it. More range would be nice, but it's definitely not necessary. Instead, it was this thing Tesla fanboys hung their hat on only to fall short. Now there are obviously fringe cases: National Parks being the biggest thing at the moment. but that is more a product of lack of chargers near the parks than it is a lack of range.

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Rob discussed this in detail on his podcast starting at the 9:43 mark

The test still wasn’t fair, and the article they made to summarize the retest was still fucked up.
He supposedly got them to come in his podcast and be interviewed, it should be released later today or tomorrow
How is it not fair to Tesla when they ran the test with multiple manufacturers and models, not just one other competitor. Long story short, Teslas don't meet their rated range when other manufacturers typically will exceed the rated range and some, Porsche, will beat it by a considerable amount.

Just because you don't like the results doesn't make them any less true. Data is data even if you don't like it.

Originally Posted by BurnabyTSX
So, let me get this straight. In order for Tesla to reach its much-ballyhooed EPA range, it needs to drain its safety buffer below 0 miles to achieve it (and sometimes, not even)? Meanwhile, almost all the other cars easily meet or beat their EPA range without needing to resort to such trickery? Why was this test unfair again?

Are the Teslarati triggered because the SR+ lost out to a friggin Leaf?
Yes. And the Model S Performance was beaten by a base model (for now) Taycan and nearly beaten by a Hyundai Kona.

Also, they said that the Teslas wouldn't reach the rated range even if they counted the buffer in there. They'd get closer but still not there. So...they still can't reach their "much-ballyhooed" EPA range anyway.

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Tesla was been doing that on just about everything.. just look at their pricing structure.. who the F would including "Potential savings" as part of their selling price? ...
So i am not even 1 bit surprised about their range.

With that being said, i need to stay consistent and i agree with Kurtatx. EV is not meant to drive long range (as least for now), even tho you can, there are much better alternatives for long road trips unless you enjoy that sort of thing like waiting or going out of your way to get charged.
For normal every day use, 200 miles are more than enough... and you can charge it at home. So all these 200 miles range, or even 300 miles range makes little to no difference to average EV drivers.

Now when the EV can get about 1000 miles on a charge, then we can see if the long range can offset the disadvantage of EV for long range driving.

When i was coming back home from Vegas, i stopped at Baker to get gas and pee. The gas station was connected to the Tesla supercharging station and there were a bunch of people just sitting outside the gas station and chilling...AKA waiting for their Tesla to get charged. But they did look like they were having a good time chillin tho.. u know catching up with the friends that you have been in the car with for hours already

I stopped, put in the pump, took a piss and came back. Put the pump back and drove off... all in about 5 mins...

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Now when the EV can get about 1000 miles on a charge, then we can see if the long range can offset the disadvantage of EV for long range driving.
The longest range Aptera is being marketed with 1000 mi range.
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Tesla chief Elon Musk tweeted on Tuesday that supply constraints related to battery cells are making it difficult to scale up production of its long-delayed Tesla Semi electric commercial truck, sending the company's shares down over 2%.

"Demand is no problem, but near-term cell supply makes it hard to scale Semi. This limitation will be less onerous next year," the billionaire entrepreneur said.

Musk's statement was in response to a tweet which referred to a news report about the electric carmaker receiving an order for ten Semi trucks from MHX Leasing.


When Musk unveiled the prototype of the futuristic, battery-powered Semi in 2017, he said the Class 8 truck would go into production by 2019. That timeline was later pushed to 2021 and the company said it expects to start delivering the model too.

Last week, Musk suggested that the bottlenecks would cause the mass production to be delayed until 2022.

News website Electrek reported last week that PepsiCo was expecting 15 Tesla Semi trucks by the end of the year.

The carmaker's shares were last down at $598.80 before the opening bell on Tuesday.
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Tesla Vs Rivian

The Tesla versus Rivian game is pacing up.
Tesla has already won a small victory.

https://insideevs.com/news/497782/ju...an-sue-rivian/

Tesla claims former employees provided Rivian with trade secrets that it could use in its upcoming EVs.

You may remember, last July, Tesla filed a lawsuit against Rivian claiming the startup electric automaker stole trade secrets. More specifically, Rivian has hired a long list of ex-Tesla employees, who, Tesla says, revealed secrets that the automaker could potentially use in its upcoming electric pickup truck, the R1T, and other vehicles.
Rivian retaliated against Tesla's claims by filing a motion to say that Tesla's lawsuit is impacting its reputation. However, in recent news, a judge ruled in favor of Tesla. The Silicon Valley electric carmaker now has permission to move forward with not only the suit against Rivian, but also claims against some former Tesla employees.

Before proceeding, we should make something very clear. Tesla and Elon Muskhave often said they're willing to share Tesla's tech, platform, patents, and even Supercharger network with other automakers. The goal of this is to accelerate the adoption of EVs. However, Tesla didn't say that any company can just use whatever it chooses without permission, a partnership plan, or a licensing agreement.

While the details surrounding Tesla's willingness to "share" are not completely clear, what is clear is that if employees from any company depart and go to another related company, they can't divulge proprietary information without permission from their previous company. Well, they can, but they may eventually get called out for doing so.

Automotive News reported:
"In a tentative ruling Monday, Santa Clara, Calif., Superior Court Judge William Monahan declined Rivian’s request to throw out a misappropriation of trade secrets claim. Monahan agreed to dismiss Rivian’s intentional interference in contract claim, saying the trade secrets part covered that."
According to Tesla, Rivian has hired at least 178 former Tesla employees. Of those, Tesla has made claims against seven. The judge also declined to dismiss the allegations against these former employees.

Pop corn time now.
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The longest range Aptera is being marketed with 1000 mi range.
That is great. Hopefully that will someday become the norm. it will solve a lot of problems with EV.

But how long does it take to get a full charge at home tho a week?
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Originally Posted by Comfy
The Tesla versus Rivian game is pacing up.
Tesla has already won a small victory.

https://insideevs.com/news/497782/ju...an-sue-rivian/

Tesla claims former employees provided Rivian with trade secrets that it could use in its upcoming EVs.

You may remember, last July, Tesla filed a lawsuit against Rivian claiming the startup electric automaker stole trade secrets. More specifically, Rivian has hired a long list of ex-Tesla employees, who, Tesla says, revealed secrets that the automaker could potentially use in its upcoming electric pickup truck, the R1T, and other vehicles.
Rivian retaliated against Tesla's claims by filing a motion to say that Tesla's lawsuit is impacting its reputation. However, in recent news, a judge ruled in favor of Tesla. The Silicon Valley electric carmaker now has permission to move forward with not only the suit against Rivian, but also claims against some former Tesla employees.

Before proceeding, we should make something very clear. Tesla and Elon Muskhave often said they're willing to share Tesla's tech, platform, patents, and even Supercharger network with other automakers. The goal of this is to accelerate the adoption of EVs. However, Tesla didn't say that any company can just use whatever it chooses without permission, a partnership plan, or a licensing agreement.

While the details surrounding Tesla's willingness to "share" are not completely clear, what is clear is that if employees from any company depart and go to another related company, they can't divulge proprietary information without permission from their previous company. Well, they can, but they may eventually get called out for doing so.

Automotive News reported:
"In a tentative ruling Monday, Santa Clara, Calif., Superior Court Judge William Monahan declined Rivian’s request to throw out a misappropriation of trade secrets claim. Monahan agreed to dismiss Rivian’s intentional interference in contract claim, saying the trade secrets part covered that."
According to Tesla, Rivian has hired at least 178 former Tesla employees. Of those, Tesla has made claims against seven. The judge also declined to dismiss the allegations against these former employees.

Pop corn time now.
if you think anything will come out from that... well nevermind, you are a Tesla fanboy. Of course you would think a Kraken will be released from those NDA cases
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Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) is one of several electric vehicle stocks that gained a boost on Wall Street following the announcement of a $174 billion aid package that would assist the growth of EV companies.

On Wednesday, the White House announced that President Joe Biden was planning to assist the United States’ rollout of electric vehicles to keep up with the highly competitive and robust Chinese EV market. After indicating that the U.S. EV market is only a fraction of the size of the Chinese sector, the White House said Biden was planning to boost the expansion of EVs by offering a massive $147 billion investment package to expand electric vehicle infrastructure.

“U.S. market share of plug-in electric vehicle sales is only one-third the size of the Chinese EV market,” the White House said in a statement. “The president believes that must change. He is proposing a $174 billion investment to win the EV market.”

China has had a vastly expanding EV market over the past few years. Tesla sees the market as one of its biggest focuses moving forward, and CEO Elon Musk recently said that China is the key to Tesla’s long-term growth and will be its biggest market in the coming years.

Musk said:

“China in the long term will be our biggest market, both where we make the most number of vehicles and where we have the most number of customers. I’d like to strike an optimistic note, and I’m very confident that the future of China is going to be great and that China is headed towards being the biggest economy in the world and a lot of prosperity in the future.”

The massive plan from Biden includes enhancing “domestic supply chains from raw materials to parts, retool factories to compete globally, and support American workers to make batteries and EVs,” the White House added.

Manufacturers are not the only ones who will benefit from the plan, the Biden White House added. “It will give consumers point of sale rebates and tax incentives to buy American-made EVs, while ensuring that these vehicles are affordable for all families and manufactured by workers with good jobs.” Additionally, “it will establish grant and incentive programs for state and local governments and the private sector to build a national network of 500,000 EV chargers by 2030, while promoting strong labor, training, and installation standards” for the government sector.

Upon the news of the EV plan, Tesla shares shot up and are currently trading at $665.16, up $29.54 or 4.65%. Workhorse Group and Fisker also saw gains of .37% and 2.81%, respectively, according to The Street.

Tesla will report its production and delivery figures sometime next week upon Q1 2021 ending. Wall Street has predicted 162,000 vehicle deliveries, according to FactSet. Analysts at various firms are expecting up to 174,000 deliveries for the first quarter of 2021.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-and-...174b-aid-plan/

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500,000 charger by 2030?? i thought we were gonna go all EV within the next 2 years and there will not be any new ICE cars.... i am not sure how 500,000 chargers by 2030 is something we should be celebrating for...
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But how long does it take to get a full charge at home tho a week?
No, it's like any other 100KWh battery, which is the norm in the largest longest range EVs today, it's just that Aptera supposedly gets 1000mi out of it instead of 300-400mi that other EVs do.
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500,000 charger by 2030?? i thought we were gonna go all EV within the next 2 years and there will not be any new ICE cars.... i am not sure how 500,000 chargers by 2030 is something we should be celebrating for...
They all drive themselves and they're all Teslas so 500k chargers is fine.
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Apple will use Tesla’s ‘megapack’ batteries at its California solar farm

The company’s new energy storage project is built around Tesla’s tech

Apple announced Wednesday that it’s building a big battery storage project at a Northern California solar farm it spearhead in 2015. But what the company didn’t share is that the battery packs will come from Tesla, The Verge has learned.

The newly-announced setup, which will store up to 240 megawatt-hours of energy, was approved by the Monterey County Board of Supervisors in 2020, according to documents submitted last year. It will consist of 85 Tesla lithium-ion “megapacks” and be used to help power the company’s corporate headquarters in Cupertino. Monterey County’s planning chief confirmed that Apple will use the Tesla batteries in an email to The Verge. Apple declined to comment. Tesla did not respond to a request for comment.

Tesla first announced the megapack battery system back in 2019. The 60MW storage setup Apple will be using is not Tesla’s biggest, though. The company has built bigger overall battery storage solutions in Australia and south of Houston, Texas of around 100MW in size. Still, Apple touted it as “one of the largest battery projects in the country” in a press release, saying the battery system could power more than 7,000 homes for a whole day. The Tesla batteries will make it possible for Apple to store energy generated by its 130-megawatt solar array at the farm, which is called California Flats.

“The challenge with clean energy — solar and wind — is that it’s by definition intermittent,” Apple VP Lisa Jackson told Reuters on Wednesday. “If we can do it, and we can show that it works for us, it takes away the concerns about intermittency and it helps the grid in terms of stabilization. It’s something that can be imitated or built upon by other companies.”

While Apple uses lithium-ion batteries in many of its products, it’s not known to be working on any grid-scale projects. The company is reportedly developing a lithium iron phosphate battery for its electric car project, though.

Apple and Tesla don’t have much overlapping history, though each company is notorious for poaching talent from the other. Tesla CEO Elon Musk also said in December that he tried to pitch the idea of Apple buying his company back in 2018, but that Apple CEO Tim Cook “refused” to take the meeting.

Tesla is best known for its electric cars, but it’s spent years trying to build up an energy storage business to compliment the solar products it acquired when it bought Solar City. It has gotten increasingly involved in large-scale energy storage projects like Apple’s over the years in addition to its home battery business.

While it’s still modest compared to the billions of dollars generated by Tesla’s car business, the energy storage division’s products has already netted at least one other strange bedfellow customer: in 2019, Volkswagen announced it was using Tesla batteries at some of its Electrify America charging stations.
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No, it's like any other 100KWh battery, which is the norm in the largest longest range EVs today, it's just that Aptera supposedly gets 1000mi out of it instead of 300-400mi that other EVs do.
Wow that's amazing why aren't they more popular, sounds like they finally created an EV with NO compromises
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Exclusive: Volkswagen to buy credits from Tesla in China to comply with environmental rules - sources


BEIJING (Reuters) - A Volkswagen joint venture in China has agreed to buy green car credits from Tesla to help meet local environmental rules, three people briefed on the matter told Reuters.


The deal, the first of its kind to be reported between the two companies in China, highlights the scale of the task Volkswagen faces in transforming its huge petrol carmaking business into a leader in electric vehicles to rival Tesla.

Shares in Volkswagen, the world’s second-biggest automaker, have soared this year as investors warm to its plans to go electric. But in China, and elsewhere, the German company is still heavily reliant on traditional combustion-engine vehicles.

China, the world’s biggest auto market where over 25 million vehicles were sold last year, runs a credit system that encourages automakers to work towards a cleaner future by, for example, improving fuel efficiency or making more electric cars.

Manufacturers are awarded green credits that can be offset against negative credits for producing more polluting vehicles. They can also buy green credits to ensure compliance with overall targets, though trade is usually between affiliated companies that share a major stakeholder.

To help meet increasingly tough targets, Volkswagen’s joint venture with state-owned Chinese automaker FAW, or FAW-Volkswagen, has agreed to buy credits from Tesla, the sources said, declining to be named as the talks were private.

Volkswagen declined to comment on the deal. It said in a statement it was “strategically targeting to be self-compliant” with rules in China, but that if required it would buy credits.


Tesla did not respond to requests for comment.

FAW-Volkswagen sold 2.16 million cars last year. The business and another Volkswagen venture in China - with SAIC Motor - were among the most negative credit-generating automakers in the country in 2019, according to data from China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.

The ventures’ gasoline sedans and SUVs have so far proved far more popular in China than their electric vehicles.

It is unclear how many green credits FAW-Volkswagen will buy from Tesla, but FAW-Volkswagen’s offer was around 3,000 yuan per credit, higher than prices in previous years, the sources said.

The deal effectively sees Volkswagen, the biggest foreign carmaker in China, subsidising a rival while the German group ramps up production of electric vehicles. Its ventures in China plan to roll out five electric ID series models this year.

In the United States, where regulators also set environmental requirements, Tesla has sold regulatory credits to rivals such as Fiat Chrysler, now part of Stellantis, but it has not so far reported any deals in China, where it started making cars in late 2019.

Tesla’s revenue from selling regulatory credits totalled $1.58 billion in 2020, according to a regulatory filing.
They wouldn't have to do this if they made EVs that people wanted to buy...

Just stop making sucky cars and you won't have to keep giving Tesla money
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No, it's like any other 100KWh battery, which is the norm in the largest longest range EVs today, it's just that Aptera supposedly gets 1000mi out of it instead of 300-400mi that other EVs do.
That is very interesting.... assuming they can retain most of the performance of EV. They could license and sell that tech.

But if in order to get 1000 miles, they can only go up to 40mph or 0-60 is never cuz top speed is at 40 , then it kinda defeats the purpose.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
That is very interesting.... assuming they can retain most of the performance of EV. They could license and sell that tech.

But if in order to get 1000 miles, they can only go up to 40mph or 0-60 is never cuz top speed is at 40 , then it kinda defeats the purpose.
Range has a lot of factors, battery capacity is only one of them. If I remember correctly, the Aptera is a tiny two seat something or the other that probably takes little to no power to move. So, given the fact that it has a massive battery, it's understandable that it has a ton of range.
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1 thing i would like to see is if Tesla makes a normal LR Model 3. I mean its 0-60 doesnt have to be under 5 secs.. or even 6 secs. It could be in the 7s and just slower in general.
But if it could have double the range, i personally think that is a much practical trade off since almost no one does 0-60 on a daily basis in their model 3.

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I don’t think EV‘s suffer from the trade-off like combustion engines where if you want to be efficient you must also be slow. Tesla’s are quick and extremely efficient at the same time if they made their vehicle slower 0 to 60 it would not increase its range.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
That is very interesting.... assuming they can retain most of the performance of EV. They could license and sell that tech.
There's nothing to license - the efficiency comes form the vehicle being only 1800 lbs and have a .cd around .1 (the most efficient vehicles are .22 or higher).
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I don’t think EV‘s suffer from the trade-off like combustion engines where if you want to be efficient you must also be slow. Tesla’s are quick and extremely efficient at the same time if they made their vehicle slower 0 to 60 it would not increase its range.
Well it could if they put in lighter components that didn't have to handle the stresses of more power along with smaller motors. While they don't have that same tradeoff, weight is still a major factor.
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There's nothing to license - the efficiency comes form the vehicle being only 1800 lbs and have a .cd around .1 (the most efficient vehicles are .22 or higher).
and having 3 motorcycle tires for wheels, no backseat and no cargo space

It's very practical

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Tesla just reported first-quarter vehicle production and delivery numbers for 2021. In total, it delivered 184,800 vehicles and produced 180,338 cars.

Analysts were expecting Tesla to deliver around 168,000 vehicles during this period, according to estimates compiled by FactSet as of April 1. Estimates ranged from 145,000 to 188,000 deliveries.

All of the electric vehicles it produced were Model 3 sedans and Model Y crossover SUVs, though it also delivered 2,020 Model S sedans and Model X SUVs.

Tesla’s operations during the quarter ending March 31, 2021, were impacted by a fire at its Fremont, California factory, temporary closures that CEO Elon Musk attributed to parts shortages, a broader chip shortage in the industry, port capacity issues and the ongoing pandemic.

During the same period a year ago, with the novel coronavirus spreading the world, Tesla reported it produced 102,672 vehicles and delivered 88,400 vehicles. Production of its crossover SUV, the Tesla Model Y, had started in earnest as of January last year, with deliveries taking off in March 2020.

At that time, Model 3 and Model Y deliveries — the closest approximation to sales numbers reported by Tesla — amounted to about 86% of total deliveries. Adding the Model Y to its menu, and production at its Shanghai plant, the first plant built outside of California, helped Tesla grow sales by about 36% in 2020 versus 2019.

During the company’s most recent earnings call, CFO Zachary Kirkhorn said that in 2021: “Specifically for Q1, our volumes will have the benefit of early Model Y ramp in Shanghai. However, S and X production will be low due to the transition to the newly re-architected products.”

At an annual shareholder meeting in 2020, CEO Elon Musk told shareholders he expected deliveries to hit an implied range between 477,750 and 514,500 cars for the year. Tesla hit the mid-range of that window, delivering 499,550 cars for the year, its best sales volume to date.

Musk and Kirkhorn declined to give specific guidance for 2021 deliveries during that call but said they would offer more clarity during the second quarter. Kirkhorn said on the call: “We continue to expect a long-term volume CAGR of 50%, of which we may materially exceed this in 2021.” This goal was reiterated by Tesla’s then-President of Automotive Jerome Guillen on the same call. (Guillen has moved into the role of President of Heavy Trucking since then.)

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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
and having 3 motorcycle tires for wheels, no backseat and no cargo space
It uses regular car tires and has more cargo room than most sedans.
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Old 04-04-2021, 10:11 PM
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Model Y officially passes Model 3 in US

As Elon predicted during it's unveiling, Model Y outsold Model 3, S, and X combined (may be all the rest of EV's combined too ...).

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/04/03...ps-tesla-gets/


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Will that apply to any EV or only EVs made in America? Ford Mach-E isn't made in America, neither is the ID.4 (at least for now)

Who would buy those cars when they're worse overall and don't qualify for the 10k tax credit

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Old 04-07-2021, 10:13 AM
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... and Model 3/Y prices raised by 10k in 3...2...1...
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i only see Porsche sold 4x more Taycan than Model S despite being more expensive with "lower" range.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
i only see Porsche sold 4x more Taycan than Model S despite being more expensive with "lower" range.
Think those were just "estimates" of the Model S deliveries too. I read somewhere that the S and X deliveries were essentially zero in Q1 due to the refresh, and they have been delayed until June/July. Considering the Plaid+ has been delayed to "mid-2022", who knows when the S will catch up to the Taycan again (if ever).
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The question we have here is, will Tesla be the Palm Treo of e-cars or sustain and say, be like Apple, despite all the other traditional manufacturers catching up?

Pretty polarizing. Obviously, we have some devout fans and actual owners here (i.e. @kurtatx , FFS) but the others, still need to be convinced. For now, if an e-car is in my future (which I can say, it is), I am not considering Tesla as my front-runner and honestly, it's that interior for me.
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If i were to get an E-car within the next 3 years, which i am NOT, Mustang Mach E will be my top choice. I hate they named it Mustang... but damn that thing looks GOOOOOD in person inside and out. You dont have to remove the "potential savings" to see what the car actually cost
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I would need to see the Mach e in person because pictures make it look yucky.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
The question we have here is, will Tesla be the Palm Treo of e-cars or sustain and say, be like Apple, despite all the other traditional manufacturers catching up?

Pretty polarizing. Obviously, we have some devout fans and actual owners here (i.e. @kurtatx , FFS) but the others, still need to be convinced. For now, if an e-car is in my future (which I can say, it is), I am not considering Tesla as my front-runner and honestly, it's that interior for me.
my fandom is loose. More on that later.
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when i first saw it, i didnt even realize it was the Mach E... i was like damn that looks pretty exotic... but it is charging ...

then i realized it was the MachE when i saw the badging.

Completely different reaction from when i first saw the Model Y...
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So in other words, the competition is coming. Well, It has been coming for nearly a decade.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
The question we have here is, will Tesla be the Palm Treo of e-cars or sustain and say, be like Apple, despite all the other traditional manufacturers catching up?

Pretty polarizing. Obviously, we have some devout fans and actual owners here (i.e. @kurtatx , FFS) but the others, still need to be convinced. For now, if an e-car is in my future (which I can say, it is), I am not considering Tesla as my front-runner and honestly, it's that interior for me.
The interior design isn't terrible, I just wish the 3/Y had a gauge cluster in front of the driver and not that dumb center stack. It's the panel gaps, material feel and road noise for me. If I'm paying $50k+ for a car, it shouldn't feel comparable in fit and finish to a $27k CRV.

The e-tron GT looks fantastic, but it's only "a bit" over budget The Mach-E (I refuse to call it a Mustang) looks fantastic though.
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
The interior design isn't terrible, I just wish the 3/Y had a gauge cluster in front of the driver and not that dumb center stack. It's the panel gaps, material feel and road noise for me. If I'm paying $50k+ for a car, it shouldn't feel comparable in fit and finish to a $27k CRV.

The e-tron GT looks fantastic, but it's only "a bit" over budget The Mach-E (I refuse to call it a Mustang) looks fantastic though.
You are insulting CRV...


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