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I would have to say the entire big three are seriously in trouble.
Trying to compete with Tesla, maybe, but in terms being a viable profitable car company, don't think so. Android phone makers are doing fine, in a world where Apple has a huge presence and profits.
Trying to compete with Tesla, maybe, but in terms being a viable profitable car company, don't think so. Android phone makers are doing fine, in a world where Apple has a huge presence and profits.
Well, Ford is about to declare bankruptcy. Their credit rating is now junk. They cannot stop hiring bad leaders. Chevrolet has no pure EVs other than the Bolt. Does Dodge even have one at all?
Trying to compete with Tesla, maybe, but in terms being a viable profitable car company, don't think so. Android phone makers are doing fine, in a world where Apple has a huge presence and profits.
They haven’t seem to have learned anything in ten years. You know how a ship sinks, Slowly but surely and then suddenly. My worry is, by the time they realize that the ICE ship is sinking, it’ll be too late for them to save themselves.
How come VW is on top of the EV adoption curve, they’ve seen the writing on the wall. In spite of losing over half of their assets in the diesel scandal they are investing in the future, and rightfully so.
Europe is going to kill the ICE as soon as they can. They will probably be first (the EU). Australia will too.
India, Russia, and the US are going to be the laggards. I’m assuming as soon as China figures out how to make EVs a strategic advantage they will kill ICE off. If people can figure out the charging in Africa I believe they will do what they did with POTS and skip right to EVs (mobile phones).
That might be ten years from now but if GM and Ford aren't going to have anything serious until 2026 I really believe they are fucked.
Well, Ford is about to declare bankruptcy. Their credit rating is now junk. They cannot stop hiring bad leaders. Chevrolet has no pure EVs other than the Bolt. Does Dodge even have one at all?
Everyone: Hey, we're pivoting everything to EV models!!!
I saw Dodge and Jeep advertising 0% for 84 months, with 90 days of no payments
Sounds incredible.
Yeah...I genuinely thought about trading my Jeep for a JLUR but decided against it at the end. Too much uncertainty in the world right now to commit to that sort of thing. Also, I don't want to go in to a dealership.
Yeah if you had like $50k just sitting there for whatever the hell you wanted, and if your income was safe in all this mess... damn. Why not?
I was going to buy a new car this year, and in hindsight I'm glad I waited.
Honestly, I was heavily considering getting a Tesla 3 Performance this year lol. Unfortunately, due to current uncertainty...I'll wait until next year. Maybe they'll have an even faster version then?
Tesla beats first quarter delivery expectations: Shares rise
Tesla beats delivery expectations with over 88,000 cars – ‘best first quarter ever’
Fred Lambert - Apr. 2nd 2020 4:17 pm ET
Tesla has managed to beat delivery expectations by delivering over 88,000 cars during the :rst quarter of 2020.
Here are all Tesla’s Q1 2020 numbers announced today:
As we reported yesterday, analysts have been updating their expectations for Tesla’s
deliveries and production during the first quarter amid the coronavirus crisis.
The consensus for Tesla delivery expectations was at just over 77,000 cars.
Today, the automaker con:rmed that it actually delivered 88,400 cars during the :rst quarter and it managed to produce 102,672 vehicles over the last 3 months.
Despite not producing vehicles at of Fremont factory
during the last week of the quarter, Tesla came close
to its production record established during the previous quarter at almost 105,000 vehicles.
That’s likely thanks to the ramp-up in production at Gigafactory Shanghai in China.
As for deliveries, Tesla is unsurprisingly down from its record last quarter when they delivered 112,000 vehicles.
This is not just due to the economic downturn triggered by the coronavirus pandemic but also because the :rst quarter is always slower for the auto industry.
Q1 2020 actually turned out to be Tesla’s “best ever :rst quarter performance.” Here’s the breakdown of Tesla’s Q1 2020 deliveries and production.
Unfortunately, Tesla doesn’t breakdown Model Y deliveries and production despite being the :rst quarter for the new electric SUV.
Here’s Tesla’s press release in full:
Tesla Q1 2020 Vehicle Production & Deliveries Model S/X: Production- 15,390, Deliveries: 12,200 Model 3/Y: Production: 87,282, Deliveries: 76,200 Total : Production: 102,672, Deliveries: 88,400
PALO ALTO, Calif., April 02, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — In the first quarter, we produced almost 103,000 vehicles and delivered approximately 88,400Model Y production started in January and deliveries began in March, significantly ahead of schedule. Additionally, our Shanghai factory continued to achieve record levels of production, despite signiLcant setbacks.
Our net income and cash flow results will be announced along with the rest of our financial performance when we announce Q1 earnings. Our delivery count should be viewed as slightly conservative, as we only count a car as delivered if it is transferred to the customer and all paperwork is correct. Final numbers could vary by up to 0.5% or more. Tesla vehicle deliveries represent only one measure of the company’s financial performance and should not be relied on as an indicator of quarterly financial results, which depend on a variety of factors, including the cost of sales, foreign exchange movements and mix of directly leased vehicles.
The Kelley Blue Book Brand Image Awards are given in recognition of automakers who excel in creating and maintaining brand attributes that create excitement about their products. This favorable brand image can attract the attention of new car shoppers, a critical element in their ultimate success in the marketplace.
New vehicles are important as a means of transportation, but also as a way for buyers to express themselves. How important is this? Look at a notable development with this year’s awards. An electric-car maker has broken through to come out on top in a number of categories. This reflects a paradigm shift in consumer attitudes towards the types of vehicles they admire and aspire to own. It also bodes well for similar products which a wide swath of manufacturers have announced.
This data doesn’t come from an online poll or a quick survey. The Kelley Blue Book Brand Image Awards draw on insights from more than 12,000 in-market, new-vehicle shoppers who research their purchases on KBB.com. This data is compiled as part of our annual Brand Watch Study, which is designed to track consumer trends and attitudes towards new vehicles on the market today.
It looks like Subaru took the cake for mainstream auto brands.
When is Tesla's Battery Day? I would wait for the next iteration of li-ion battery technology if I were in the market for a Tesla. Would also wait for better technology before buying any BEV. Of course, buying used, there's no choice but to go with current li-on batteries.
Maybe newer ones will eventually have two step gears like in the Taycan but not being so unaffordable.
what will be the price when pentup demand gone. no industrial efficiency. $45K car has only 250 mile range. while much larger leg room Honda Inspire has 600 mile range with twothird the price.
Tesla raises China-made Model 3 prices after EV subsidies cut
The starting price for the Shanghai-made Standard Range Model 3 sedans is 303,550 yuan after receiving subsidies, up from 299,050 yuan, while Long Range Model 3 cars, which Tesla plans to roll out from June this year, are now priced at 344,050 yuan versus 339,050 yuan earlier, a Tesla China company website shows.
Fuck it, I’ll be your huckleberry. People buy an EV because they don’t want a gasoline car. Otherwise, they would buy a much cheaper hybrid.
So it doesn’t matter how far the Inspire goes. And if you meant the Insight, that has a 1.1 kWh battery so what is the point of even bringing that up? Because it gets 52mpg?
Inspire is more Accord competitor. much spacious backseat than standard Model 3. Honda has offered one litre turbo in City with back seat as spacious as Civic with much tighter turning radius and much higher ground clearance with prices only $15k starting.
Traffic sign recognition and display it on head up display Honda already implemented couple years back in Asia and
EU. Honda next car for highly congested areas has 50% smaller turning radius than Model 3, much higher ground clearance to deal with speed breakers, 15 or 16inch tires.
Model 3 is more priced like long wheel base cars that people in Asia will drive for long drive.
Honda
Honda City priced as $15K
Traffic sign recognition isn’t new many cars including Tesla can recognize speed limit signs, etc. Does it stop and start on those red lights and stop signs? Post video of it doing it like i did or stfu
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Traffic sign recognition isn’t new many cars including Tesla can recognize speed limit signs, etc. Does it stop and start on those red lights and stop signs? Post video of it doing it like i did or stfu
Traffic sign recognition isn’t new many cars including Tesla can recognize speed limit signs, etc. Does it stop and start on those red lights and stop signs? Post video of it doing it like i did or stfu
Honda is developing those technologies. its matter of time they implement across the line up Globally. you are confusing a Tesla a marketing firm with firms that do true R&D.
it take two to three years for Tesla to launch vehicles in right hand markets. while Honda is almost instantaneously in both Right and Left hand markets.
Lmao so you got nothing, the Honda City cannot stop on its own at stop signs and red lights. Thanks for confirming that.
If I bought a Honda in 2019 will I be able to get an over the air software update that enables full self driving or will I have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a brand new car when it eventually becomes available? Any Tesla built in the last few years can download an update to enable that capability.
How many real world driving miles does Honda’s autonomous AI have? Last we checked Tesla had 14 billion real world driving miles and it’s growing exponentially, the next closest competitor was Waymo with 20 million, almost 1000 times less. Real world driving miles are better than simulated driving miles at seeing real world edge use cases.
I’m posting real actual self driving videos, you’re posting press releases. I’m posting something that’s real and tangible right now, you’re posting intangible press releases about something that might happen 5 years from now. Where’s the fucking videos of cars available today that can stop automatically stop at traffic lights and stop signs like any current Tesla can?
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Data is the new oil. The company with the most and the best data wins. Real world data is better than simulated and Tesla has 1000x more than their closest competitor. Tesla owners pay Tesla so they can drive the vehicle and the Tesla’s collect data and learn as you drive. Waymo pays engineers to drives their vehicles around.
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I have a good laugh. Tesla first need reduce cost before it can sell.
you are assuming Japanese are not testing there vehicles in Japan for self driving. They have given dates for deployment for level 3 and level 4 implementation. and that will be on much cheaper cars.
they are putting sensors in $8k Honda Kei cars.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...cHonda’s Takaishi said that using sensors to track a vehicle’s surroundings and assess whether drivers have pressed the wrong pedal is among the features that can offset common challenges for older drivers, including reduced alertness and reaction time.
The automaker is also trying to develop artificial intelligence-driven systems for “coaching.”
Cars could theoretically advise drivers via flashing dashboard icons, sounds and steering wheel vibrations if they are about to drift out of their lane or make a potentially risky maneuver.
“Elderly drivers in particular, they really want to maintain their independence while they’re driving, as it’s a skill they’ve honed over many years,” Takaishi said.
LMAO $8k sensors, no fucking way that's cheaper than Tesla, that's more than what the Model 3's batteries cost. Tesla's getting it done with fucking 8 cameras maybe $1k in parts. Tesla sells FSD as a $7k addon, it used to be $5k, the parts are included in every car whether the buyer purchases FSD or not, that's how cheap their parts are. The Honda vehicles are going to cost a fortune if the parts alone are $8k
You keep moving the goal posts and trying to say that speed limit sign recognition is the same as detecting red lights and stop signs and automatically stopping at them. They're not even close to the same thing. Again show me videos of it working or STFU, none of the Honda self-driving things you are posting about exist right now for people to buy. It is vaporware.
Tesla is basically at Level 3 right now, it can detect the objects like lanes, cars, and people in the environment around it, it come find you in a parking lot, change lanes, detect and stop at traffic lights and stop signs, Elon says the AutoPilot AI technology will be at Level 5 by the end of the year, then it'll just be up to regulators to allow it. Honda is hoping they'll only be 5 years late. LMAO they're fucked.
This is the developer view of everything that Tesla autopilot actually detects using 8 cameras, radar, and ultrasonic sensors. Show me Honda's video doing the samething, show me anyone's else's video doing the same thing?
$8K is whole price of the car. not sensors. Honda is bringing technology to the cheapest vehicle for retired people in Japan.
once you can positively detect signs. its matter of software leap to respond to signs. Honda is using cameras for very long time.
Tesla is not some technology company. It has to use Nvidia and other chips and what ever Programmers trained in other firms.
Honda has very deep knowledge in robotics. Japan is the largest exporter of robots to China.
Can they detect stop lights and stop signs? That's very different than speed limit signs. I keep asking for a proof of that. Does it recognize vehicles all of the vehicles around it? You can't act on signs if you can't recognize everything else around you. OH the light green better go oh wait my technology on recognizes lights and not people so I ran over the person crossing the crosswalk.
So an $8k car is going to have all the capability of Tesla's FSD suite!? Videos man. STFU where are they?
That picture is adaptive cruise control, that's kinda standard now, that's level 2. It doesn't detect a car it just detects the difference in distance between your car in the object in front of it and speeds up and slows down to keep the distance the same. It can't tell the difference between a car, a semi, a van or a wall. It cannot detect and identify objects in it's environment. Tesla can.
Tesla doesn't use Nvidia anymore, they haven't used them in a year. They use their own custom chip that's they designed specifically with their proprietary software for the task of FSD. It's a custom FSD chip that's 40x more powerful at FSD than the nvidia chip which was a repurposed GPU. Just like how Apple iPhones use Apple CPUs designed specifically to run iOS and are more powerful than the Qualcomm Snapdragons many Android phones use. Or how ASIC bitcoin miners that are custom built for mining are much more powerful and efficient at mining that an Nvidia GPU. Did you not watch their event last year where they went over this? here's a short version
, but your guess is as good as mine.
