Just put him on ignore and you'll be much happier. He's been trolling on here for so long that even the folks at vwvortex know of his antics...and that was back in 2011! People like him feed off of attention, so why give it to him?

https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...1#post75064984

P.S. To add someone to your ignore list, just go to https://acurazine.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist

 

 

Credit is given until crap like this happens:
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/te...used-vehicles/

My thoughts on the rest of it are this: Some of those features are great (sentry mode, dog mode) but the rest are pretty useless gimmicks in the end. WTF is camp mode and who's watching Netflix/Hulu while driving their car? Teslas are great vehicles and I'm giving a Model 3 Performance serious thought for a next car but beyond earth shattering acceleration, they aren't as good of a luxury car as a M3 or C63 AMG. Those two are far better put together and the insides feel of much higher quality than a Tesla is. The M3 and C63 are more expensive for similar performance numbers but I'd say that it's worth it for what you get with the rest of the car. Credit should be given where due on both sides and that's where I'd put it. If you want a cheap(er) performance car, like I do, a Tesla is a wonderful option but it's definitely not a M3 or C63 AMG.

 

I mentioned it before, it’s kind of funny how Tesla essentially suffers from some of the same stereotypes that the other domestic brands have.

Unbeatable performance for the price, but questionable build quality paired with unimpressive parts bin interiors.

 

Done. Thanks.

 

Exactly how I feel it too. The interior doesn’t make you feel special. However the difference is it’s continuous OTA improvements and advanced autonomous functions as compared to its peers (even luxury automakers). In addition real pinch with luxury cars comes with the service/maintenance costs the longer you own it (as I found out first hand), and that is minimal with Tesla cars. This “future proofing” is what is giving me a serious pull towards this otherwise niche manufacturer. Having said that, I really believe Tesla will be considered one of the mainstream American automakers (? Big four) in around three years from now.

 

Absolutely agree, I don’t hesitate to tell people to consider them, if they’re in the market. They are pushing innovative ideas forward, and I feel like manufacturers will have to adapt. We win as consumers.

Meanwhile you have brands like BMW charging a fee for CarPlay.

 

I agree but don't consider Tesla to really compete with the luxury brands on anything other than price. They will for sure influence the market but I still don't consider a Tesla a "luxury car" any more than I consider Acura or Infiniti to be one.

 

Tesla will compete with luxury car makers on software related features, autonomous ability as well as outright performance. I do not absolutely consider Tesla as a luxury car (not even at Acura level) but rather a very competent alternative to one. What I am debating right now is whether I really need a luxury car or not. How much is that interior finesse, glossy wood and leather worth for me. Yeah sure it checks the boxes and desires for a large section of the population (did for me too).
But to be fair I really need to own a tesla for an extended period to tell a valid opinion. With regards to how durable are its interior materials, Is it going to be a rattle box...? Whether the ride will be as quiet and cushy as I like? I don’t know the answer to these questions and therefore reserve my comment until another year or so later when hopefully I’ll have real firsthand experience. Auto journalist’s reviews and opinions are only one side of the coin for me.
Tesla sure checks a lot of points for me which no one else can for now. Some of them are :
No dealerships or their dirty tricks, no need for price negotiation, free OTA updates, no need for annual servicing, Supercharger network (at really low cost compared to others), Most innovative and forward looking automaker at present, And to top it all manufactured in the USA.

After we all at Acurazine would already know the value of “affordable luxury”.

 

I sat in a Model 3 recently and it was fine. Probably in some ways equal to my 2018 Mazda CX-5 and in others a bit inferior.

Frankly, rather than leather I would much rather have better materials elsewhere and a good MB-Tex pleather than cowhide.

But to your point, if it rattles after 8k miles I don’t care how cool it is. I’m not going to buy one.

 

that's your opinion. there are Tesla that are traded at Honda dealerships and they are less than a year used. Model Y has 9.5inch rim size with no offroad or tow rating.
you brought Minivan utility example. when there is no comparable utility to a V8 SUV that has far less total ownership cost than Tesla Model Y.
Model Y is assembled with 55% North American parts.

 

Yup, he's got no response to the free updates and the endless new features and improvements a Tesla gets every month, unlike any other car in it's price range.

Free updates and improvements is the only thing that can shut SSFTSX up

 

over the air updates?. you are assuming this important like some other disposable gadgets buit in Asia.
I only buy car that is very common to fix even at gas station mechanic and not having non standard tire size. there is tow and real offroad element when it comes to SUV.Tesla Model Y is 55% North American parts.
GM , Chrysler, Ford atleast can make more North American parts with more standard tire sizes. Not to mention all factories are in cheaper Midwest, South or Mexico.

these traditional auto makers give employment and training much more diverse fields of engineering with much loyal employment system until this point.







Tesla will try assemble Ventilators at very expensive and in efficient places like expensive coastal areas.

 

I think you underestimate his ability to pivot and post under any condition.

 

Totally agree that video streaming services are useless while driving a car. However they are intended to be used only while super charging the car (and you have nothing else to do). I don’t think it’ll be even possible to watch a movie while the car is not in park.
With regards to camp mode, I’ve found a perfect answer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O98QztSEdq4

Tesla’s own update shows up as
Your car can now maintain airflow, temperature, interior lighting, as well as play music, and power devices when Camp Mode is enabled. To enable Camp Mode, tap the fan icon at the bottom of the touchscreen and set Keep Climate On to CAMP while your car is in PARK. Big batteries rock.”

In the video, he spent 9 hours inside the car which used up only 10% of the battery. This would be appealing to many who like to spend weekends on camping trips or even for those who don’t want to spend $$ on hotels.
The last but not the least, for those who have to spend the night outside home after an argument with wife ....

This feature could not be easily accomplished in an ICE car since the engine would have to fire up at some point. I know some clever DIYers have rigged up a Pacifica hybrid to work like that but it’s too involved for the uninitiated.
I’m glad Tesla offers an OEM solution for this specific use.

 

Well...you don't exactly need the Netflix/Hulu thing with a ICE car do you? What all can you watch in the 3 minutes it takes to top off the tank and get on the road?

Camp mode is a gimmick just like the rest of it. There aren't any people out camping in a damn Tesla lol. Also, if you can afford $$ for a Tesla, you can afford the local Holiday Inn.

 

That is awesome IMO. Very low battery drain, considering.

People will camp in whatever they want I wouldn't complain about my car having more features.

 

These are some wonderful objective videos by automotive building guru Sandy Munro.
There are several videos and it’s an ongoing process. There’s more to come.

 

 

 

Ummmmm, you watch Netflix/hulu while sitting in your car charging it.

The ability for real, ongoing upgrades is significant. Every other car is pretty much frozen in time.


I await “Battery Day”, coming soon. If Tesla can get to 1,000,000 mile battery, along with the basically blank canvas that a Tesla is, owning this car for 20 years, while it keeps current, is a real possibility.

 

And when/if they fully execute on their plan for Full Self Driving then you could watch Netflix while the car drives you to your destination. Tesla already makes "million mile" batteries but they're for their powerpacks and powerwalls, they'll be bringing that capability to their cars

 

So far he's liking the build quality of the car, it seems like Tesla listened and improved on a lot of the complaints he had about the Model 3 body. He was blown away by the quality of the tech in the Model 3 but said the body was designed poorly. The tech has only gotten better and now the Y body seems to have been designed and built competently.

Tesla is continuously improving the quality of their cars, Munro looked at an early version of the 3 so I think he's comparing an early version of the Y to the 3 they tore apart a couple years ago. I'm curious if the current 3 has many of the body design improvements that the Y has.

 

Very interested in what Munro thinks of the wiring, the body stamping and the new heat pump

 

Great, but that's not a thing with gas cars so it's more of a negative than a feature. I'd rather the car charged faster than streamed netflix. Also, I can just do that on my phone.

Ongoing upgrades are great, and again, credit was given. But what they giveth, they can taketh away as in the link I posted. Apparently it's a big issue for used Teslas.

 

Tesla has clearly stated that once a car has a given set of features paid for by a customer, it stays permanently (regardless of ownership). There’s no ifs and buts about it.
This particular issue was a one off aberration where a delayed audit found that the feature was not paid for. While I’m not on the side of Tesla on that particular event, one issue is not representative of every feature in every Tesla sold. Take it for what its worth.

 

The feature they took away was on the window sticker for the car in question so it was definitely paid for when the car was new. This isn't a one off event either, there have been others as well.

 

 

From what I understand it was a “demo” car, and they sold to another person. Unless the first owner comes forward and spills the beans whether he had paid for it or not, we wouldn’t know for sure what happened. Can used / demo cars can be sold as decontented for a discount? I’m not sure.
One thing is sure (rather I hope). Not every used Tesla have to be paid for repeatedly by subsequent owners for every upgraded feature. That would be an abomination.

 

That appears to be exactly what Tesla is doing.

 

If that’s true, Tesla gets a serious downvote from me. Yikes. .

 

Whatever the case might be, the feature was on the window sticker for the car so someone paid for it whether it be Tesla or a customer. Once a car is built with the features on the window sticker, that shouldn't be decontented from there. Unfortunately, that's what Tesla seems to be doing.

I've heard of lots of horror stories about people buying used Teslas from third parties that don't go well. Elon hates third party anything.

 

We were after all wrong about Tesla Model Y. Apparently there is an OEM tow hitch option which can be added on after purchase. It’s not on the online configurator yet.

Tesla just launched the Model Y with the first deliveries happening just a few weeks ago. There were a lot of questions open about the car, most of which have been answered, but one remained: where’s the tow hitch? We’ve got an answer to that now: it’s here, and it’s available as a $1,000 option.

And while we already knew a roof rack would eventually be available, it’s now been added to Tesla’s shop as a $450 accessory, the same price as the Model 3 roof rack.

We’ve also learned the towing capacity for the tow hitch option, which will be 3,500lbs. This is higher than the Model 3’s tow hitch option, which has a capacity of around 2,000lbs. That option is only available on European Model 3s, though.

This is classified as a “Class II” tow hitch, which means along with that 3,500lb capacity comes a max tongue weight of 300lbs and (probably) a 1 1/4″ receiver.

3,500lbs isn’t going to break any towing records, but for a small travel trailer, or to tow a small boat, or just for the simple addition of a bike carrier, it should be more than enough to help expand your cargo options.

Bikes could also be carried on the roof rack, but since Model Y is a taller vehicle and some people might not like lifting a bike all the way up to the top of a car, the tow hitch should be a better solution for that sort of thing.

Interestingly, Tesla’s online Model Y owner’s manual still hasn’t been updated with the new information, and still says “Model Y is not equipped with towing.” We can imagine that section will change soon.

Model 3 is already pretty flexible (it fits 3 adults and a bike), but between the Model Y’s increased cargo capacity, roof rack availability, and now a tow hitch, it should turn out to be even better.

There’s no word on whether the tow hitch will be available as a retrofit for existing vehicles post-delivery. But it can be added to current orders which have not yet been fulfilled. If you’re interested in adding this to your order, you can go into your Tesla account and click “edit design.”

Since the roof rack is just an accessory, it can be added to existing vehicles.

Electrek’s Take

We were expecting a tow hitch, but when the Model Y first came out without any option to add one, we were worried. Since EU Model 3s have a tow hitch option but US Model 3s don’t, we thought there was a chance the same thing might happen to the Model Y. So…this is a nice relief.

https://electrek.co/2020/04/10/tesla...450-roof-rack/

 

It’s available on the online configurator now.

 

$1k for a tow hitch? WTF?

 

You would've heard many more complaints if it was. The purchase is tied to the vehicle not the owner, which owners have asked that it be associated with their Tesla account in stead but that isn't going to happen. Tesla has made over a million cars and tens of thousands of them has FSD, hundreds or thousands have been sold by now there would be more complaints that like 5 people if that was Tesla's official policy. Also if it was their official policy they would've stated so so that used car drivers were aware of it.

 

You’re not fooling us, Elon.

 

It gets worse. From what I know current Model 3 and Y don’t come with a home link garage opener. You can purchase OEM option for $300 and you’d have to get it installed from a Tesla service center. That’s simply not acceptable for a $50k car . Stunna, please correct me if I’m wrong.

Thats not unprecedented. My Pacifica has factory towing option which is $1500.

 

My Golf also didn't come with a homelink opener which really pissed me off.

Your pacifica probably came with a whole host of other things to warrant that price tag. Like trans cooler, bigger alternator, etc. The Tesla is probably literally just the tow hitch.

 

Seems like it has high license fees that Tesla doesn't want to pay so they offer it as an extra and they're expecting it to become irrelevant in the future as garage doors switch to wifi.

This is the similar logic to why Microsoft removed DVD playback support from Windows 10 (LOL how many of you even noticed that), they had to pay a license fee of a few bucks for every copy of Windows 10 which has around a billion users, I think, yet not many people actually played a DVD. So drop support and save billions because the future is streaming and offer it as an upgrade for those that want it (or use VLC player).




Maybe they're a little early in this aspect like Apple removing the optical drive from the OG MacBook Air or worse when they switched to all USB-C/Thunderbolt in 2016 but eventually the market will catch up with them, and they still offer it as an upgrade. I'm sure garage door makers have to pay the same license fee so they're also incentivized to drop HomeLink as well in the future and switch to the cheaper to implement Wi-Fi.