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What’s up with your French connection...?
So according to you the French have the world’s best management and technical teams. .
Connection is right there. French CEO will be running FCA. and than when you combined it with Nissan-Mitsubishi. French are indirectly the largest or one of largest Automakers in North America. They are the top brands in Tires.
Consolidated next generation battery research with full centralized funding already ahead in solid state lithium batteries. French owned brands electric cars on top in sales in EU.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...ge/2598512001/ Shareholders of Fiat Chrysler and PSA holding company Peugeot SA would split ownership of the merged company 50-50, but PSA would appoint an effective board majority. Its CEO, Carlos Tavares, would continue to lead the company for at least five years and hold a board seat. PSA would nominate an additional five members to the 11-person board, including its vice chairman and senior independent director.
I would say that would be American. USA attracts the world’s best talent at present and it shows in the newer technology, medicine, space applications and other fields.
We understand your love for Acura and appreciate it, but please come back when you grow up a little bit.
Look around . start with your cellular phone. whether you can figure out fundamental French Connection. once you figure out than I will show the rest of fields that are not automotive or battery related.
Also since you like to compare boring car features like turning radius and road noise I find it odd you haven't bothered to compare Tesla's safety rating to other vehicles. Why are you ignoring the fact that Teslas are the safest car on the road? Why do you want people to buy a more dangerous car to put their family in?
your ignoring the fundamental facts that interiors of Tesla are simply not upscale for the price paid. they are too heavy, oversize rims with long turn radius lots of tire and wind noise. All other auto makers are creating premium brands like Volvo Polester.
. this MDX interior.
For someone so enamored with your TSX's supposed enormous range, I find it funny that you haven't mentioned the fact that Tesla has its competitors absolutely beat in the battery range department.
What’s up with your French connection...? So according to you the French have the world’s best management and technical teams. . I would say that would be American. USA attracts the world’s best talent at present and it shows in the newer technology, medicine, space applications and other fields.
We understand your love for Acura and appreciate it, but please come back when you grow up a little bit.
He's the same guy who contends that his TSX is superior to <insert other luxury car here> because of its fuel economy at 100mph. Evidently he's also a Francophile. Even my French friends acknowledge that French cars are trash. The only reason you buy a Peugeot or Citroen or Renault in Europe is if you're a French nationalist or if you can't afford a German car.
For someone so enamored with your TSX's supposed enormous range, I find it funny that you haven't mentioned the fact that Tesla has its competitors absolutely beat in the battery range department.
this making a statement without understanding the context.
For someone so enamored with your TSX's supposed enormous range, I find it funny that you haven't mentioned the fact that Tesla has its competitors absolutely beat in the battery range department.
He isn’t bothered by the facts. He seems to be interested only in the probability that the combined funds of Peugeot and FCA will someday create a compelling research team capable of challenging Tesla (that is, if it ever happens ).
Look around . start with your cellular phone. whether you can figure out fundamental French Connection. once you figure out than I will show the rest of fields that are not automotive or battery related.
Please enlighten us about the French connection in phones (even though we are diverting from the discussion at present here). I see a lot of Chinese connections (made in China) and a lot of India connections (software related) in phones these days. Thank you.
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Elon should concentrate on Model 1 and Model 2 small electrics. Model 3 alone cannot carry the sales alone.
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Model 3 (and Y) will disrupt the established sales pattern in the premium segment as you will see by end of next year. But as you said that alone is not sufficient to make a dent in mainstream cheaper cars. Elon has indicated in the past that after successful run of these models he will consider smaller / cheaper cars as well.
I believe that could happen in 3-5 years.
He isn’t bothered by the facts. He seems to be interested only in the probability that the combined funds of Peugeot and FCA will someday create a compelling research team capable of challenging Tesla (that is, if it ever happens ).
Trash + Trash = world class research. .
To be fair, the Italians make fantastic two-wheel tractors for small farms
That's good that you agree.
Peugeot 508 has same safety ratings as Tesla Model 3 but is 350Kg lighter at half price. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/peugeot/508/34194
you should also agree now that French were not that into premium auto Industry until this point. but with next generation battery vehicles French want to become sole leaders. sold state lithium battery.
Please enlighten us about the French connection in phones (even though we are diverting from the discussion at present here). I see a lot of Chinese connections (made in China) and a lot of India connections (software related) in phones these days. Thank you.
I want you guess. try real engineering behind cellular phone.
management skills.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1Y72DT France's Safran and Germany's MTU to work on new fighter engine But in a statement on Tuesday, the companies agreed Safran would be “prime contractor” - a term typically used in the defence industry for the company running a project - with MTU billed as “main partner” during the initial research phase.
Krauss Maffie. Famous German Armour. is merging with French Nexter. German engineering throwing the towel as things get complex with advancement of technology
Model 3 (and Y) will disrupt the established sales pattern in the premium segment as you will see by end of next year. But as you said that alone is not sufficient to make a dent in mainstream cheaper cars. Elon has indicated in the past that after successful run of these models he will consider smaller / cheaper cars as well.
I believe that could happen in 3-5 years.
Model X and Model S sales are declining. Model Y will cannablize model 3 sales. No sustainable profits or management skills. the cars are overweight and need large size wheels/ tires. extended warranties are expensive.
not for economy minded consumers or subsidized leases.
Half price in two years. Not Acura NSX drop like this.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto...044594517.html Stunning 2017 Tesla S P100D / Ludicrous + / Full Self Driving !!! - $88888 As options go, this car is loaded to the gills and it cost $175K + as brand new off of the factory floor in Fremont.
That's good that you agree.
Peugeot 508 has same safety ratings as Tesla Model 3 but is 350Kg lighter at half price.
Do you really have no comprehension skills? Why are you even comparing an ICE engine to a BEV. It’s not even close. If you were saying that the Peugeot whatever (electric model ) is half price of Tesla with everything else being equal, then I hand it out to you.
Currently your arguments seem so childish. Doing the same thing over and over again doesn’t change the outcome. In fact that is the sign of idiocy. Grow up dude.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
you should also agree now that French were not that into premium auto Industry until this point. but with next generation battery vehicles French want to become sole leaders. sold state lithium battery.
In fact that was the sole intention of DS brand (to go after premium auto segment) but it fell flat on their face.
They were no different than other Peugeot/ Citroen cars.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Krauss Maffie. Famous German Armour. is merging with French Nexter. German engineering throwing the towel as things get complex with advancement of technology
So what. Are they going to make another F35 competitor in the next 40 years. F22 is nearing retirement and there’s nothing close to it from anywhere in the world. .
The united Europe is more and more turning into a divided Europe, at least when it comes to making cars. On one side are the hugely profitable German carmakers Volkswagen, BMW, Daimler and Porsche. On the other side are its loss-making or barely-profitable rivals including Fiat, Peugeot-Citroen, Renault and GM’s Opel. Now, the split drives the two countries apart that started Europe’s unification, France and Germany.
France’s new socialist government wants to punish buyers of bigger cars with huge taxes while lifting the tax burden on smaller cars. The bigger cars are mostly German.
Do you really have no comprehension skills? Why are you even comparing an ICE engine to a BEV. It’s not even close. If you were saying that the Peugeot whatever (electric model ) is half price of Tesla with everything else being equal, then I hand it out to you.
I merely pointing out the French safety technology in light weight package for family sedan comparable to Tesla at price far lower than BMW 3 series.
Currently your arguments seem so childish. Doing the same thing over and over again doesn’t change the outcome. In fact that is the sign of idiocy. Grow up dude.
did you present better examples than French management and technical skills?. German Auto industry live in fear about next emission fines. unable to produce its own energy for industries.
In fact that was the sole intention of DS brand (to go after premium auto segment) but it fell flat on their face.
They were no different than other Peugeot/ Citroen cars.
DS is not expensive brand. more priced like VW. A premium for on country does not mean its premium globally. DS7 is very competent crossover for plug in electric. very tight turning radius.
French has two auto groups in Top 5 globally.. massive investments in battery technology. old car scrap bonus along with electric vehicle credits. while Tesla need loan from Chinese to build factory.
So what. Are they going to make another F35 competitor in the next 40 years. F22 is nearing retirement and there’s nothing close to it from anywhere in the world.
I wanted to give example of French management over German in complex projects not opinion on final product. It is the French that has managed to built advanced submarines, nuclear power plants, trains, Space centers, Satellites worth hundreds of billions spaning decades in Australia, Brazil, India, China, Russia etc. world trust French with unique big projects.
Its the French that rescued Bombardier CSeries, 70% of world civilian helicopters market is French. Almost every Boeing has half engine from French.
I merely pointing out the French safety technology in light weight package for family sedan comparable to Tesla at price far lower than BMW 3 series.
Toyota Corolla is a better example than French cars in all aspects you mentioned. However you are again comparing a mainstream ICE car to BEV. Some thick skulls can’t comprehend however many times you try. Enjoy your ICE / fossil fuel savings buddy. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-elon...livery-center/Tesla CEO Elon Musk to join volunteers in end-of-year deliveries at Fremont
Tesla CEO Elon Musk is committed to ensuring the electric car maker meets its guidance of delivering 360,000 to 400,000 vehicles this year – so much that he’ll be assisting on vehicle deliveries on New Year’s Eve at the Fremont factory delivery hub.
Coming from a busy weekend in Boca Chica, Texas with the SpaceX team working on the Starship tank dome, the Tesla chief will brave the 2,000-mile journey back to the Tesla Delivery Center in Fremont to make sure he is one with the staff and community of owner-volunteers in making the last big push in the final day of the year.
“Headed to Tesla Fremont factory tomorrow to help with vehicle deliveries,”
This won’t be the first time Elon Musk hand delivers a vehicle to a customer. Last June, Musk surprised a new Model 3 owner when he personally delivered a vehicle to their residence in a test of a new factory-direct system.
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Show me another automotive CEO who has done these. https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-...actory-direct/
Toyota Corolla is a better example than French cars in all aspects you mentioned. However you are again comparing a mainstream ICE car to BEV. Some thick skulls can’t comprehend however many times you try. Enjoy your ICE / fossil fuel savings buddy.
Corrolla is smaller size than Peugeut 508. I Went one size bigger to Midsize to compare to Model 3 just to show large family sedan can be lighter and same safety features with price lower than ICE BMW 3 series. Its hallmark of design and industrial efficiency.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review.../designDespite its D-segment sensibilities, the 508 is conveniently sized, being some 80mm shorter and 51mm lower than before and much smaller of footprint than either the Ford Mondeo or Skoda Superb. The payoff is a tighter turning circle than that of most family hatches, despite the athletic proportions. The new car is now 70kg lighter on average, partly due to a new steel monocoque but mainly because it’s built on the stiffer EMP2 platform that was developed at colossal expense and is shared with the 3008 and 5008 crossovers.
The united Europe is more and more turning into a divided Europe, at least when it comes to making cars. On one side are the hugely profitable German carmakers Volkswagen, BMW, Daimler and Porsche. On the other side are its loss-making or barely-profitable rivals including Fiat, Peugeot-Citroen, Renault and GM’s Opel. Now, the split drives the two countries apart that started Europe’s unification, France and Germany.
France’s new socialist government wants to punish buyers of bigger cars with huge taxes while lifting the tax burden on smaller cars. The bigger cars are mostly German.
I did not realize you put a link from 2012 that divided companies profitable and barely profitable without even understanding the difference.
you were comparing this 508 to a Corrolla that is assembled with hedge podge of components and low cost noisy CVT.
French put massage seats, night vision that can find a Cat on road let alone big objects.
https://www.parkers.co.uk/peugeot/508/review/The front seats are pretty much as good as you get. And that's saying something, seeing as this car replaced a Volvo V90 long-term test car as my daily runner. They are mult-adjustable and come with an in-built massage function, which makes my regular 250-mile runs to Cumbria a walk in the park. They are well-shaped. supportive and finished in the most lovely Nappa leather – this is a big departure from French car seats of old that invariably gave me backache.
On longer runs, the adaptive cruise control performed faultlessly (in many ways, it's better that Tesla's much vaunted but rather skittish Auto Pilot system),
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/peugeot/508-2018/ The front seats of the Peugeot 508 are extremely comfortable and finding a good driving position is easy thanks to multi-way electric adjustment (standard on the GT level). A massage function is also standard on the GT and optional on lesser models
Model X and Model S sales are declining. Model Y will cannablize model 3 sales. No sustainable profits or management skills. the cars are overweight and need large size wheels/ tires. extended warranties are expensive.
not for economy minded consumers or subsidized leases.
Half price in two years. Not Acura NSX drop like this.
His Model S price dropped that much because the price of a new P100D with FSD dropped a lot, it's now $107,000.
Tesla's have the best resale value because they get free updates and get better over time. If you buy an older model you still get most of the new features when they come out so no reason to buy new, so that makes used Tesla's more valuable and increases their resale value, also the fact that their drivetrain doesn't fail after 200k miles like an ICE car does.
Tesla Model S: declined on average by 27%after accumulating 50,000 miles (80,000 km); the overall segment declined by an average of 36% after 50,000 miles
Tesla Model X: declined by an average of 23% after 50,000 miles(80,000 km); the segment as a whole declined an average of 33 percent after 50,000 miles.
The resale value of the BMW i3 is terrible, I know two people who bought a used 2015-2016 one for $20k or less, MSRP is $45k
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Tesla drivetrain is designed to last 1 million miles, this year they'll be releasing a battery designed to last 1 million miles, their current batteries last 300-500k miles. This is why they have good resale value
EuroNCAP said the Peugeot 508 safety assist features are significantly worse than the Model 3. The 3 got a 94/100 the highest rating they've ever given and the Peugeot got a 79, Tesla got an A and Peugeot got a C. The Peugeot can't get free updates to improve the reliability of their safety features, Tesla can.
Also what happened to the Renault Zoe, I thought that was the "Tesla Killer"? Now it's the Peugeot 508? So to get near the capabilities of the Model 3 are you recommending that someone buys 2 cars Zoe and the 508?
If someone wants an EV with over 250 miles range a 0-60 under 7 seconds, with best in the world safety, and driver assist features you think they shouldn't buy the model 3 and that they should buy two cars the Zoe and the 508? Because neither of those cars has all of the capabilities of the 3 on it's own. Or is this your way of admitting that there isn't a single car on the market that has all of the capabilities of the Model 3 in it's price range.
You know the Tesla gets updates and it's autopilot gets better every month, does the Peugeot?
So whatever version of AP they tested the Tesla is already significantly better than that.
I wasnt comparing self driving capability of of conventional family sedan with Tesla that is built around software features.
I only pointing out conventional family sedan can be lighter than electric vehicle by 400Kg and still have same safe structure and much more refined at far lower starting price.
than Comfy came compared it with Toyota Corrolla without doing any basic research.
French understand Luxury better than any one else. same brand tires from lower to higher trim on same sedan
Also what happened to the Renault Zoe, I thought that was the "Tesla Killer"? Now it's the Peugeot 508? So to get near the capabilities of the Model 3 are you recommending that someone buys 2 cars Zoe and the 508?
If someone wants an EV with over 250 miles range a 0-60 under 7 seconds, with best in the world safety, and driver assist features you think they shouldn't buy the model 3 and that they should buy two cars the Zoe and the 508? Because neither of those cars has all of the capabilities of the 3 on it's own. Or is this your way of admitting that there isn't a single car on the market that has all of the capabilities of the Model 3 in it's price range.
The point is French has built two big Auto groups. that make there business more sustainable globally. Neither Renault Zoe nor Peugeot 508 is built to compete with Tesla. that will be future electric/Plug in hybrids vehicles built starting form 2020 and after at scale that no one can compete with next generation battery technology with new centralized software and Europe 5G. Suppose if French decides that Michellin tires are more enivronmentaly friendly than German Continental tires.than what will German auto industry do ?.
one company is managing 50%.
France and Germany draw up plan for European rival to US cloud firms
that not long term success story for relying on outside as the people can transfer expertize to competitors. Tesla does not have expertize in plug in hybrids. that is much bigger market than pure battery vehciles.
Tesla is still very small firm. how it is going to maintain quality in manufacturing and servicing when more cars on the road?. Management skills are still not tested.
Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Catastrophic Failure While Parked
That's a first for any of our long-term cars—as is being alerted to our stranding by a push notification from a mobile app. Update: We've heard from the service center.
UPDATE 12/31/19, 10:00 a.m.: Although it’s possible the timing is purely coincidental, the service department at Tesla’s Toledo, Ohio, facility contacted C/D within three hours of this story's initial publication, offering a loaner car, a rental, or $100 per day in Uber credit while our Model 3 is in the shop. They also said parts are on the way and the car will be ready for us on Thursday (January 2). We will provide full details of the outcome of the car's repair and its return to our long-term fleet as they become available.
Yes they are not comparable as Renault Zoe and Peugeot 508 are financially sustainable that's why French auto groups will launch multiple times Electric and Plug In hybirds and they will have much more service centers with cheaper long term maintaince warranties. you ignore the basic fact once you buy vehicle it need robust parts and service chain for long time at every place.
Tesla Model Y CARB certification published, hinting at stellar range and imminent delivery
Tesla Model Y’s certification from the California Air Resources Board (CARB) is out and this is a huge development for consumers longing to get behind the wheel of the all-electric crossover.
first spotted the Tesla Model Y Performance All-Wheel Drive CARB certification online, which fueled speculation by user Alter Viggo that first deliveries of the Model Y might start soon. Alter Viggo recalled that the electric carmaker signed the Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive Model 3’s certificate about 25 days before making the first deliveries in July 2017.
Based on the document posted on the website, the Model Y’s Urban Dynamometer Driving Schedule (UDDS) is 441.91 miles. The UDDS is the mandated dynamometer test of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for light-duty vehicles and represents how far an electric vehicle can go on a single charge.
One should take note that the UDDS is only for the purpose of certification and does not reflect the real-world range. According to Tatarevic, “It roughly translates to real-world city range with a multiplier of 0.7 so this would mean an estimate of around 309 miles of city range for the Model Y.” The electric car manufacturer lists the Model Y Performance range on its website as 280 miles based on EPA estimates. If the Model Y hits a range of around 309 miles, this puts it close to the range of its Model 3 sibling that hits 310 miles on a single charge. However, while the two vehicles share about 75 percent of their DNA, the electric crossover would be heavier than the two and that would logically affect range unless Tesla was able to find a way to boost the range of the Model Y.
Tesla originally planned to make the first Model Y deliveries by the Fall of 2020 but later on moved the schedule up to Summer this year. Of course, there are speculations in the electric vehicle community that it might do it sooner. There have been more and more sightings of the electric crossover around the United States lately and the Model Y prototypes recently spotted were looking more refined and production-ready. These sightings of seemingly-production ready units on the road might be another strong indication that Tesla is ready to handover the Model Y to consumers soon. If Tesla delivers the Model Y soon, it will be a big boost for the brand as it beats production schedule expectations and hits the market that’s hungry for SUVs.
The Model Y will be produced at Tesla’s Fremont facility but CEO Elon Musk has also formally launched the Model Y program in China during the recent Gigafactory 3 event in Shanghai. Likewise, the vehicle will also be produced during the initial phase of production once Gigafactory 4 in Germany is up and running.
Musk has also expressed confidence in the upcoming all-electric crossover saying that the Model Y demand might be even higher than the combined demands for existing Tesla vehicles. The Model Y is expected to go on a head-on collision with other luxury crossovers such as the Audi Q5, BMW X3, and the Jaguar I-PACE. It will most likely take a bite of the market share of more affordable rides such as Toyota’s RAV4 and the Honda CR-V.
The Model Y Performance will have a purchase price of $61,000 while the Rear-Wheel Drive Long Range and Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive Long Range will cost $8000 and $52,000, respectively. Tesla Model Y Performance CARB Certification (Source: California Air Resources Board)
Tesla increases Model Y range to 315 miles, production begins now with March delivery
Tesla increased the range of the Model Y with the announcement of the production version. The electric SUV will now have up to 315 miles of range on a single charge.With the release of its Q4 2019 financial results, Tesla said that it improved the energy efficiency of the Model Y:
“Due to continued engineering progress of the Model Y all-wheel drive (AWD), we have been able to increase its maximum EPA range to 315 miles, compared to our previous estimate of 280 miles. This extends Model Y’s lead as the most energy efficient electric SUV in the world.”
During a conference call following the financial results, CEO Elon Musk said that the Model Y will be the most efficient SUV with 4.1 miles of range per kWh.
This is going to increase Tesla’s already large efficiency lead over the competition:
The company is announcing the range increase as they confirm that they already started the production ramp at the Fremont factory:
“Model Y production ramp started in January 2020, ahead of schedule”
The new range is now displayed on Tesla’s updated Model Y online configurator:
As you can see, Tesla also updated the timeline in the configurator with “first deliveries begin in March 2020.”
In its shareholders letter, the automaker guided deliveries to start at the end of the first quarter of 2020.
Tesla also updated the wheel options available on the Model Y, which now comes standard with the new 19″ Gemini wheels that Tesla was already offering with winter tires on the Model 3.
. I would say that would be American. USA attracts the world’s best talent at present and it shows in the newer technology, medicine, space applications and other fields.
Tesla Model Y Performance CARB Certification (Source: California Air Resources Board)
