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Old 04-07-2016, 10:13 PM
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Hmm.....when does the vaporware meme start?
Stupid comment. Tesla...while notorious for not delivering on time HAS delivered. There are roadsters, Model S' and Model X's on the road. Model S and X's are being made and delivered.

There is no vapor.

And these cars were all pre-gigafactory. The model III is being designed and set up for mass production.
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Tesla Model 3 orders top 325,000

"Over 325K cars or ~$14B in preorders in first week. Only 5% ordered max of two, suggesting low levels of speculation," Musk tweeted one week after preordering started, with customers spending $1,000 to get a place in line.

Now Tesla faces the far more daunting task of actually fulfilling those orders. While the company's factory in Fremont, California, will be the main plant once production starts in late 2017, the French government wants Tesla to set up a factory in France, Reuters reports.

French Energy Minister Segolene Royal has proposed that Musk create an electric-car factory at the location of the Fessenheim Nuclear Power Plant -- due to close next year -- in northeast France.

"I said to him: 'I have a place for you, Fessenheim'. He didn't say no," Royal told reporters from Reuters.

Musk has previously mentioned the Alsace region, where the plant is located, as a spot where it would make sense for the company to open a European factory. The task of fulfilling $14 billion worth of orders may not be answered by the Fremont facility alone, especially given the brisk pace with which European customers have been buying Tesla vehicles. For a short period of time last year the Model S was Norway's best-selling car.
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^^....because a nuclear plant is good fit to convert to a car plant?
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Old 04-08-2016, 08:50 AM
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From Jalopnik ... http://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-asked-...ode-1768897141

What do you guys think if the Model 3 had a different bumper that looked like this?

From this angle, it's not nearly as bad.
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc View Post
Stupid comment. Tesla...while notorious for not delivering on time HAS delivered. There are roadsters, Model S' and Model X's on the road. Model S and X's are being made and delivered.

There is no vapor.

And these cars were all pre-gigafactory. The model III is being designed and set up for mass production.
Fair point. Probably bit harsh to call it vaporware at this point. While 325k is likely more demand they expected, just seems quite a bit more than what they've delivered so far.

I certainly welcome their trail-blazing into mass marketed and non-weird looking electric car market. Let's hope that the 325,000th person can get their car in a reasonable time.
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Old 04-08-2016, 09:23 AM
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From this angle, it's not nearly as bad.
Definitely.

When I first saw the PR shots it looked pretty bad. Guess it's just not a very photogenic car overall. But probably one of those cars that looks better in person than in photos.
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Old 04-08-2016, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2 View Post
From this angle, it's not nearly as bad.
Originally Posted by nist7 View Post
Definitely.

When I first saw the PR shots it looked pretty bad. Guess it's just not a very photogenic car overall. But probably one of those cars that looks better in person than in photos.
That's a photoshop though...
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Old 04-09-2016, 07:37 AM
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That's a photoshop though...
Yeah that is just a what if, but one that Elon Musk asked to see - and he stated that Tesla was open to suggestions on how to improve the Model 3. Would be awesome if they could make the car look more like that photoshop - or if someone would make an aftermarket bumper like that!
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Wait, TLX V6 AWD is slower than FWD?
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Wait, TLX V6 AWD is slower than FWD?
seems like it. It's heavier I guess but has the same engine as the FWD
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Higher power losses with the AWD system. I'm not surprised.
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Note: for the above numbers, the TLX SH-AWD had 172 miles on the clock, and the TLX FWD had 470 miles.

Neither car was fully broken in for the tests.

For comparison, the C450 AMG noted above, had 2643 miles before the test was done.
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they were comparing TLX FWD and TLX AWD... 3mph difference in trap is a lot.

and let's be realistic here, it doesn't matter if the C450 has 1 mile or 50,000 miles, it is not in the same league.
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lol, no man, wasn't saying the TLX AWD is faster than than the TLX FWD, nor saying the TLX will be a match for the C450 AMG.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Just saying that the TLX AWD, will more miles on the clock, might be closer to the FWD model. There's still gonna be a difference - can't get away from weight and AWD loss with the same engine. And overall, I just feel that if both cars had more miles, they will be a little bit faster in general (i.e. a couple 10ths, and 1 mph in the trap speed).
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What the fuck does the comparison between the FWD and AWD TLX have to do with the Tesla Model 3?!
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What the fuck does the comparison between the FWD and AWD TLX have to do with the Tesla Model 3?!
Because race car
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which one?
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which one?
The TLX SH-AWD with all-season tires

I have heard that it's internal designation within Acura is "the Chiron slayer"
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So what happens if it gets upgraded tires?
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that is obvious.. the 2nd fastest car on the road.
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So what happens if it gets upgraded tires?


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^ that is NSX, FYI


thread high jack alert.
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What the fuck does the comparison between the FWD and AWD TLX have to do with the Tesla Model 3?!
They're competitors. TLX owners are planning on dumping their cars for a Model 3. Or even worse (for Honda), there are potential owners no longer interested in the TLX because of the Model 3.

And why are you so ornery? Chill the fuck out, man.
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Model 3 is going to steal sales from everyone... i mean everyone. Even the people who were not considering E cars will now because of the price, incentives, car pool stickers and of course the brand itself.

The only problem is can they produce and deliver enough to meet the demand.
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Model 3 is going to steal sales from everyone... i mean everyone. Even the people who were not considering E cars will now because of the price, incentives, car pool stickers and of course the brand itself.

The only problem is can they produce and deliver enough to meet the demand.
They'll rethink the production process and raise funds if necessary but the rich don't let demand go down the drain.
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co worker pre ordered one, I am sure this car will sell well, and is going to probably lead to major automakers making more E-cars, not necessarily the best thing for car enthusiasts...
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I just hope they can figure out the charging issues sooner (charging time, locations, #s of chargers)

The only thing that is preventing me from ordering 1 is... i dont want to wait in line for hours to charge if i go somewhere.
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^Dude you charge it up when you get home, like you charge your cell phone. It'll have a 215 mile range most people don't go anywhere near that much in a day. You use the super charger when taking long trips so while it's charging you get out and stretch your legs for 15-20 minutes after traveling a couple hundred miles. They also haven't given up on the battery swap option, I think all the teslas have the capability just there's been a delay in getting the service going. Things will be different in a couple years though, there will be a lot more super chargers and regular chargers around.
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fixed for accuracy
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^Dude you charge it up when you get home, like you charge your cell phone. It'll have a 215 mile range most people don't go anywhere near that much in a day. You use the super charger when taking long trips so while it's charging you get out and stretch your legs for 15-20 minutes after traveling a couple hundred miles. They also haven't given up on the battery swap option, I think all the teslas have the capability just there's been a delay in getting the service going. Things will be different in a couple years though, there will be a lot more super chargers and regular chargers around.
yah i know but there is always the unexpected trips that you might have to take during the day. Last thing i want is paying big bucks for a car that i have to worry about range.

and the things with supercharger and fast charger is, how many are there going to be? as the way it goes right now, the # of E car sold vs the #s available chargers are not proportionate.
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yah i know but there is always the unexpected trips that you might have to take during the day. Last thing i want is paying big bucks for a car that i have to worry about range.

and the things with supercharger and fast charger is, how many are there going to be? as the way it goes right now, the # of E car sold vs the #s available chargers are not proportionate.
There's going to be a lot more chargers out there in 2018. Even now I haven't heard lots of complaints about Tesla users who spent 6 figures on their e-car stuck on the side of the road because they couldn't get to a charger in time. If it's not a problem now, it won't be in a couple years when there's 2 or 3 times more chargers available.
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Not only the number of chargers availability. Also the time it takes to charge. You can have 50 chargers available at any single location, but when you have 100 cars waiting and each car takes hours or even 30 minutes to charge, it is not hard to see where the problem is.

I personally think the only realistic way to solve this is to have the gas stations to cooperate but we all know that is not going to happen anytime soon.

I would assume that is because the $100k Model S buyers have other cars to drive. So it is more like a toy than an actual day to day primary transportation.

when the E cars become the only car, then there will be a problem if the chargers locations can't keep up with the demand.

I know a lot of people who have smart, 500, i3 or Tesla and all of them have a second gas powered car in the garage.

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You're making up a problem when there's no evidence that it even exists or that it ever will exist. Again there will be many more chargers in a few years, almost 100% of people will charge their Tesla at home just like current Tesla users, they will hardly ever have to stop somewhere like a gas station and charge. Only in rare cases will that be required and there won't be a long line to charge because everyone will have charged at home and won't need to use a public charger like a gas car does and there will be chargers all over the place.

It's not common to see lines for people to charge their cell phones, because they charge it at home overnight or they charge it at work. It will be similar for Teslas, though most people won't need to charge them every day because they're only traveling 20-40 miles a day.

The world of people stopping to get gas is going to change a lot in a few decades. Soon there will be a lot less gas stations/convenience stores and the remaining ones will turn into charging/battery swapping stations as well. That will be better for the remaining convenience store owners if it takes 10 minutes to charge the battery because the people in the car are more likely to stop in the store and purchase something if it takes 10 minutes. They'll be more like rest stops on the highway, chill out for a little bit while your car charges, but in the inner city there will be less of a need for charging stations since most people will take short trips so they'll charge at home/work.

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Not only the number of chargers availability. Also the time it takes to charge. You can have 50 chargers available at any single location, but when you have 100 cars waiting and each car takes hours or even 30 minutes to charge, it is not hard to see where the problem is.

I personally think the only realistic way to solve this is to have the gas stations to cooperate but we all know that is not going to happen anytime soon.

I would assume that is because the $100k Model S buyers have other cars to drive. So it is more like a toy than an actual day to day primary transportation.

when the E cars become the only car, then there will be a problem if the chargers locations can't keep up with the demand.

I know a lot of people who have smart, 500, i3 or Tesla and all of them have a second gas powered car in the garage.
Electrical chargers and fumes from gas pumps? Sure, it could probably be made safe, but I wouldn't want to be at the gas station when things go wrong.
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Not only the number of chargers availability. Also the time it takes to charge. You can have 50 chargers available at any single location, but when you have 100 cars waiting and each car takes hours or even 30 minutes to charge, it is not hard to see where the problem is.

I personally think the only realistic way to solve this is to have the gas stations to cooperate but we all know that is not going to happen anytime soon.

I would assume that is because the $100k Model S buyers have other cars to drive. So it is more like a toy than an actual day to day primary transportation.

when the E cars become the only car, then there will be a problem if the chargers locations can't keep up with the demand.

I know a lot of people who have smart, 500, i3 or Tesla and all of them have a second gas powered car in the garage.
Wireless charging could be the solution



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I had this conversation with my co worker the other day. While wireless charging removes the "wire" but it still does not solve the charging time and wait time. Not sure how many E cars are on the road today, imagine that # x 100 or 1000 or 10000.
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I had this conversation with my co worker the other day. While wireless charging removes the "wire" but it still does not solve the charging time and wait time. Not sure how many E cars are on the road today, imagine that # x 100 or 1000 or 10000.
Right. Unless someone invents real, "Wireless/over the air" charging, the current concept of wireless (conductive) charging doesn't fix anything.
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Right. Unless someone invents real, "Wireless/over the air" charging, the current concept of wireless (conductive) charging doesn't fix anything.
Like this: https://www.pluglesspower.com


https://www.pluglesspower.com/plugless-questions/

How does Plugless Work?

Inductive power transfer uses magnetic fields to transfer energy from a transmitting coil in the Parking Pad to a receiving coil in the Vehicle Adapter, which converts this energy into electrical current to charge your EV. Once the system is installed and paired to your vehicle, you simply pull into your garage or parking space and the system automatically begins recharging your EV.

Which EVs are compatible with Plugless?

Plugless is currently available for the Nissan LEAF, Chevrolet Volt, and Cadillac ELR. We are currently taking reservations for the Tesla Model S. We will continue to work with EV manufacturers to bring Plugless to new EV models as they launch.
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Right. Unless someone invents real, "Wireless/over the air" charging, the current concept of wireless (conductive) charging doesn't fix anything.
So we need Tesla Coil
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