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Old 04-05-2016, 11:53 AM
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Right. Because one can determine the build quality by looking at pics of a pre-production car on a computer screen.

You probably haven't even been in a Model S or Model X.



This is a car, not a truck or sports utility vehicle.



Model 3 doesn't cost $100K.



WTF does a NSX have to do with the Model 3 or a Lexus LX 570?


Another fail troll attempt
i mean that you dont need this kind of shape for reducing the drag. NSX has total airflow management and much wider car than Tesla. and it does not look this egg shape.
LX i put as real SUV with tall stance having commanding view of the road and unbreakable quality and isolation of body on frame.
Tesla SUV is merely a minivan. they should call it a minivan. this giant screen is cost saving measure and is distraction.



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Don't know about quarterly delivery goals/expectations, but for full year deliveries since the introduction of the Model S in 2012, the only year they met or exceeded delivery goals/expectations was for 2013. Every other year they missed.

They planned to delivery 5,000 vehicles for 2012 --> Tesla Motors to Begin Customer Deliveries of Model S on June 22nd (NASDAQ:TSLA)



They only delivered 2,650 --> Tesla Motors - Current Report




2013 delivery goal was for 20,000 vehicles --> Tesla Motors - Current Report



They delivered 22,447 vehicles in 2013 --> Tesla Motors - Current Report




2014 deliver goal was for more than 50,000 vehicles --> Tesla Building 60,000 Cars By 2015 - Business Insider



They delivered 31,655 --> Tesla Q4 Hit By Delivery Shortfall, But Company Expects To Be Back On Track In Q1 | TechCrunch




Their delivery goal for 2015 was for more than 100,000 vehicles --> Tesla Ready to Pump Out 100,000 Cars Per Year by 2015 - Bloomberg



They delivered 50,580 vehicles --> Tesla delivers more cars than ever before, but its stock price dives - LA Times
That was probably because not a lot of ppl bought them in 2012/2013, so the goal was easily met. possibly?
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i mean that you dont need this kind of shape for reducing the drag. NSX has total airflow management and much wider car than Tesla. and it does not look this egg shape.
LX i put as real SUV with tall stance having commanding view of the road and unbreakable quality and isolation of body on frame.
Tesla SUV is merely a minivan. they should call it a minivan. this giant screen is cost saving measure and is distraction.
For the reduction of drag that Tesla is aiming for you do. Only manufacturer that has got it right with design and drag is Mercedes.

0.2455 (1:5) Tatra 77 1933
0.24 Mercedes-Benz S-Class[112] 2014–Present
0.24 Mercedes-Benz C-Class Sedan[113] 2014–Present
0.24 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid 2016
0.24 Tesla Model S[114] 2012
0.24 Tesla Model X[115] 2015
0.24 Toyota Prius[116] 2016
0.212 (according to some sources: 1:5 model test)[117][118][119] Tatra T77A 1935[120]
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0.21 Tesla Model 3[124] 2017
0.195 General Motors EV1 1996
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The thing with drag is that different companies have different ways of measuring, which would yield different results.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX View Post
i mean that you dont need this kind of shape for reducing the drag. NSX has total airflow management and much wider car than Tesla.
Originally Posted by Devil Dog 21 View Post
For the reduction of drag that Tesla is aiming for you do. Only manufacturer that has got it right with design and drag is Mercedes.

0.2455 (1:5) Tatra 77 1933
0.24 Mercedes-Benz S-Class[112] 2014–Present
0.24 Mercedes-Benz C-Class Sedan[113] 2014–Present
0.24 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid 2016
0.24 Tesla Model S[114] 2012
0.24 Tesla Model X[115] 2015
0.24 Toyota Prius[116] 2016
0.212 (according to some sources: 1:5 model test)[117][118][119] Tatra T77A 1935[120]
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0.21 Tesla Model 3[124] 2017
0.195 General Motors EV1 1996
0.189 Volkswagen XL1 2013
Hey Troll, I don't see a SINGLE Acura or Honda product on that list, nor your beloved NSX HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHA quit it with the BS you literally know nothing about HAHAHAHAHA

Oh, and look! Hyundai made the list!!
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Originally Posted by Devil Dog 21 View Post
For the reduction of drag that Tesla is aiming for you do. Only manufacturer that has got it right with design and drag is Mercedes.

0.2455 (1:5) Tatra 77 1933
0.24 Mercedes-Benz S-Class[112] 2014–Present
0.24 Mercedes-Benz C-Class Sedan[113] 2014–Present
0.24 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid 2016
0.24 Tesla Model S[114] 2012
0.24 Tesla Model X[115] 2015
0.24 Toyota Prius[116] 2016
0.212 (according to some sources: 1:5 model test)[117][118][119] Tatra T77A 1935[120]
[121] [122] [123]
0.21 Tesla Model 3[124] 2017
0.195 General Motors EV1 1996
0.189 Volkswagen XL1 2013
Those numbers are highly unreliable. TLX demolish C300MATIC at higher speeds and practically matches C450 at 130mph. TLX only have 290bhp version of J35. MB can't match TLX fuel economic
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX View Post
Those numbers are highly unreliable. TLX demolish C300MATIC at higher speeds and practically matches C450 at 130mph. TLX only have 290bhp version of J35. MB can't match TLX fuel economic
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX View Post
i mean that you dont need this kind of shape for reducing the drag.
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Those numbers are highly unreliable.
And this is based on your extensive knowledge and experience as an automotive designer and engineer?

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TLX demolish C300MATIC at higher speeds
Wow, imagine that, a car with more horsepower (290 hp) is faster than a car with less horsepower (241 hp). You mean there's some truth to that thing we call physics?

Originally Posted by SSFTSX View Post
and practically matches C450 at 130mph. TLX only have 290bhp version of J35.
"practically matches" Not even close.

Originally Posted by SSFTSX View Post
MB can't match TLX fuel economic
City / Highway MPG looks pretty close to me.


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I love how a performing electric sedan's design is being compared against a pure sports car.

The levels of genius found in this are astounding.

For real, why the fuck is this dumbass still allowed to post? Its not amusing, its just pathetic.
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And this is based on your extensive knowledge and experience as an automotive designer and engineer?



Wow, imagine that, a car with more horsepower (290 hp) is faster than a car with less horsepower (241 hp). You mean there's some truth to that thing we call physics?



"practically matches" Not even close.



City / Highway MPG looks pretty close to me.


you pull this numbers form C&D?. C450AMG has summer performance tires.

put 18inch heavy all season tires on them and see how much difference is
0-130mph.

Just look at noise level in C450AMG. it is unrefined junk compared to TLX. with piss poor fuel economy of 18mpg.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...nuary-2016.pdf


superior aerodynamics should completely hushed noise level with superior fuel economy and superior performance with all season crappiest tires.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX View Post
you pull this numbers form C&D?. C450AMG has summer performance tires.

put 18inch heavy all season tires on them and see how much difference is
0-130mph.

Just look at noise level in C450AMG. it is unrefined junk compared to TLX. with piss poor fuel economy of 18mpg.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...nuary-2016.pdf


superior aerodynamics should completely hushed noise level with superior fuel economy and superior performance with all season crappiest tires.
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No, SSFTSX. It is you who is unrefined junk.
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It not just MB cd figures are unreliable but Hyundai Sonata Hybrid so called Cd of 0.24 claim.

2014 Accord hybrid 0-100mph in 20.6 second. 41mpg on wider tires
2014 Honda Accord Hybrid Test ? Review ? Car and Driver

2016 hyundai hybrid 0-100mph in 22.1 second. 34mpg.

0-120mph of 37 second. that is embarrasment.
2016 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
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He probably is Rockyboy
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What an idiot. and yet he rambles on.

You know, after being disproved about 1341789 times whenever he has a tool of a comment, you'd think he'd give up. Man, he is dumber than he sounds, which I didn't think was possible
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX View Post

0-120mph of 37 second. that is embarrasment.
2016 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
Dude, quit manipulating stuff. You're posting stuff about the Sonata Hybrid It has reduced power all around

Yes, but sure, it's not fair to compare a car with summer tires to one with all seasons, but it's fair to compare a lower powered hybrid that is being sold as a green car, not a performance car, to a standard car

He needs to be banned. Asap. At least Rocky Boy was funny at times
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Dude, quit manipulating stuff. You're posting stuff about the Sonata Hybrid It has reduced power all around

Yes, but sure, it's not fair to compare a car with summer tires to one with all seasons, but it's fair to compare a lower powered hybrid that is being sold as a green car, not a performance car, to a standard car

He needs to be banned. Asap. At least Rocky Boy was funny at times
you think 2016 Sonata Hybrid is lower powered than Accord Hybrid?. quit posting misinformation. you already misinformed about calling Fit a Sedan.

Accord hybrid is also quieter than V6.
2014 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring First Test - Motor Trend
Off the dragstrip, and with the hybrid system details out of sight and out of mind, the car drives brilliantly. I’ve listed observed highway fuel economy numbers at the article’s end over a roundabout 1850-mile drive from San Antonio, Texas, back to MT Central near LAX by way of south Colorado. It’s quieter than its I-4 and V-6 counterparts with a deftly controlled ride that makes long drives easy on the driver

2016 Sonata Hybrid is slower than Accord.
2016 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid First Test
At the track, the Sonata Hybrid ran from zero to 60 mph in 8.3 seconds and finished the quarter mile in 16.3 seconds at 86.5 mph. It’s slower than the Toyota Camry Hybrid and Honda Accord Hybrid — both of which hit 60 mph in 7.1 seconds
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You're an idiot

The sonata hybrid is 100% about being green. They don't give two fucks about performance of that car.

I also didn't call the fit a sedan, dummy.

Go on. Keep padding yourself on the shoulder, reinforcing to yourself, and only yourself, that you're smart, while the rest of us think you're the dumbest fuck AZ has ever seen. You're an absolute brain dead retard.
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You don't buy an electric car/hybrid for the performance, so enough with the paper racing already.
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Originally Posted by AZuser View Post
And this is based on your extensive knowledge and experience as an automotive designer and engineer?



Wow, imagine that, a car with more horsepower (290 hp) is faster than a car with less horsepower (241 hp). You mean there's some truth to that thing we call physics?



"practically matches" Not even close.



City / Highway MPG looks pretty close to me.


Let me help him:

"those are just published numbers, they do not indicate the real world result due to Honda's superior aero package that includes the mirror, 4x4 look, front windshield wiper and rear wiper, not to mention the directional wheels. Also remember, Honda's bhp is superior, so you can get more for less, alot less.

I am the voice of reason, i pick and choose from the magazine about what is reliabile info and what is not."
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LOL i came here to find out who pre-ordered the Tesla Model 3 and saw the above.....
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well when you have SSFTSX contributing, what do you really expect?
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX View Post
you think 2016 Sonata Hybrid is lower powered than Accord Hybrid?. quit posting misinformation. you already misinformed about calling Fit a Sedan.

Accord hybrid is also quieter than V6.



2016 Sonata Hybrid is slower than Accord.
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You don't buy an electric car/hybrid for the performance, so enough with the paper racing already.
Lower drag coefficient claim like 0.24 should make Sonata hybrid more fuel economic at higher speeds. It simple can't compete with Accord hybrid despite Accord having wider tires
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Lower drag coefficient claim like 0.24 should make Sonata hybrid more fuel economic at higher speeds. It simple can't compete with Accord hybrid despite Accord having wider tires
What the fuck does this have to do with the Model 3?
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Lower drag coefficient claim like 0.24 should make Sonata hybrid more fuel economic at higher speeds. It simple can't compete with Accord hybrid despite Accord having wider tires
Must you derail every fucking thread with your nonsense?
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That's a bannable offense, isn't it?
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LOL i came here to find out who pre-ordered the Tesla Model 3 and saw the above.....
I pre-ordered at the store here in KC.

Don't regret it one bit but I do regret falling into the Troll's trap and posting the drag factor info above.
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I pre-ordered at the store here in KC.

Don't regret it one bit but I do regret falling into the Troll's trap and posting the drag factor info above.
let us know how it drives when you receive it.... like many many years later
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I pre-ordered at the store here in KC.

Don't regret it one bit but I do regret falling into the Troll's trap and posting the drag factor info above.
Cool! Would you know your order number, like how far down the line you are?

My friend's dad pre-ordered one and he's at like 250,000. I wonder how long he would need to wait when production begins.
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The Week that Electric Vehicles Went Mainstream

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April 7, 2016

A week ago, we started taking reservations for Model 3, and the excitement has been incredible. We’ve now received more than 325,000 reservations, which corresponds to about $14 billion in implied future sales, making this the single biggest one-week launch of any product ever. This interest has spread completely organically. Unlike other major product launches, we haven’t advertised or paid for any endorsements. Instead, this has been a true grassroots effort driven by the passion of the Tesla team that’s worked so hard to get to this point and our current and future customers who believe so strongly in what we are trying to achieve. Most importantly, we are all taking a huge step towards a better future by accelerating the transition to sustainable transportation.

We want to thank everyone who has shown their faith in Tesla and the mission of electric vehicles. We would write more, but we need to get back to increasing our Model 3 production plans!
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let us know how it drives when you receive it.... like many many years later
I'm in no hurry. I plan major purchases far in advance and have been planning for a new ride in 2018 so this will be perfect. If something else comes out before then that catches my eye then I may switch but otherwise I'll wait patiently.

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Cool! Would you know your order number, like how far down the line you are?

My friend's dad pre-ordered one and he's at like 250,000. I wonder how long he would need to wait when production begins.
To my knowledge they haven't told anyone where their spots are in line. I believe in the release Elon Musk mentioned there were around 200k reservations but they opened them up online a couple hours before the announcement. I made mine at a store not long after they opened so I'm hoping I'm within the first 100k.
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Thanks! Hope you will receive it soon...haha!
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Going to be as many Model 3 on the road as Camry, if they can build them.
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Going to be as many Model 3 on the road as Camry, if they can build them.
That is a huge IF.

A quick wiki shows Tesla delivered about 100k Model S from 2012-2015 (globally). About 63k from US.

They have 325k pre-orders for the Model 3 (I assume majority from US orders)

Hmm.....when does the vaporware meme start?
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From Jalopnik ... http://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-asked-...ode-1768897141

What do you guys think if the Model 3 had a different bumper that looked like this?



Someone tweeted to Elon Musk and he asked for a picture of the photoshop, so who knows

or LOL if everything stays the same - someone said they were going to sell Vinyl stickers for the Model 3 - like these ...




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