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And another one. 35 year old idiot who used FSD and plowed into a semi truck.
https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1390454616785973250
https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1390454617692000258
https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1390454616785973250
https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1390454617692000258
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^Supposedly that's actually from Austin not Berlin
Improved autowipers should be coming soon. Looks good for beta testers
DMS = Driver Monitoring System
They're developing a more robust monitoring system using the internal camera, steering wheel input, seatbelt, seat weight sensor, etc.
Eventually it should integrate with AutoPilot & FSD.
Video showing the beta DMS, pretty cool
Improved autowipers should be coming soon. Looks good for beta testers
DMS = Driver Monitoring System
They're developing a more robust monitoring system using the internal camera, steering wheel input, seatbelt, seat weight sensor, etc.
Eventually it should integrate with AutoPilot & FSD.
Video showing the beta DMS, pretty cool
Originally Posted by video doobleedoo
A night drive with Tesla driver monitor system watching. The text cutout on the top left is Tesla DMS probabilities output showing what the system is thinking really happening in the frame. The probabilities are recomputed about 15 times per second so it does jump quite a bit.
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damn dark mode extension often turn text to white and I don’t catch unless I disable it 
here’s the video description from the video above
here’s the video description from the video above
A night drive with Tesla driver monitor system watching. The text cutout on the top left is Tesla DMS probabilities output showing what the system is thinking really happening in the frame. The probabilities are recomputed about 15 times per second so it does jump quite a bit.
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#anotherone
https://www.wisn.com/article/tesla-d...2-mph/36454683
KENOSHA, Wis. —Kenosha County Sheriff's deputies pulled over a Tesla driver who fell asleep while on autopilot.
Investigators said they spotted the driver on I-94 north near State Highway 158 just before 8 a.m. Sunday.
Deputies said the Illinois man was asleep behind the wheel and woke up once the car was pulled over.
Deputy David Gomez told the driver he followed him for two miles and saw him slumped over in the driver's seat.
"I looked over and noticed his head was turned away from me and looking down," Gomez said.
He said he clocked the Tesla at 82 mph.
A 911 caller reported the car would speed up when not around other cars and then slow down again as it approached traffic.
Another 911 caller said she saw the driver with his head back and mouth open.
The deputy reported the driver finally noticed he was being stopped when the deputy pulled alongside the Tesla for the second time.
The Tesla driver was identified as Mitul Patel, 38, of Palatine.
He was questioned and initially denied falling asleep while the car was driving itself.
Gomez said Patel did not show signs of impairment but stated he was tired.
Patel told Gomez he was on his way to work as a FedEx driver in Cudahy.
He repeatedly denied sleeping and tried to explain himself.
"If someone's not holding the steering wheel for 30 seconds it will automatically turn off autopilot," he told Gomez.
Tesla mandates that the operator keep their hands on the steering wheel at all times and always maintain control of the vehicle while utilizing the autopilot feature.
"I get the auto option, but you still have to be awake and doing things," Gomez said.
The driver was cited $187.90 for inattentive driving and released.
Gomez said this was not the first time Patel was accused of driving while asleep and on autopilot.
"I looked at the history and the vehicle with this registration was attempted to be pulled over two different times in February and August," Gomez said. "Both of them reported the driver appeared to be head down, sleeping."
Patel's car was towed because deputies said they felt it was unsafe for him to continue driving.
When reached by WISN 12, Patel said he did not have any comment on the story.
Investigators said they spotted the driver on I-94 north near State Highway 158 just before 8 a.m. Sunday.
Deputies said the Illinois man was asleep behind the wheel and woke up once the car was pulled over.
Deputy David Gomez told the driver he followed him for two miles and saw him slumped over in the driver's seat.
"I looked over and noticed his head was turned away from me and looking down," Gomez said.
He said he clocked the Tesla at 82 mph.
A 911 caller reported the car would speed up when not around other cars and then slow down again as it approached traffic.
Another 911 caller said she saw the driver with his head back and mouth open.
The deputy reported the driver finally noticed he was being stopped when the deputy pulled alongside the Tesla for the second time.
The Tesla driver was identified as Mitul Patel, 38, of Palatine.
He was questioned and initially denied falling asleep while the car was driving itself.
Gomez said Patel did not show signs of impairment but stated he was tired.
Patel told Gomez he was on his way to work as a FedEx driver in Cudahy.
He repeatedly denied sleeping and tried to explain himself.
"If someone's not holding the steering wheel for 30 seconds it will automatically turn off autopilot," he told Gomez.
Tesla mandates that the operator keep their hands on the steering wheel at all times and always maintain control of the vehicle while utilizing the autopilot feature.
"I get the auto option, but you still have to be awake and doing things," Gomez said.
The driver was cited $187.90 for inattentive driving and released.
Gomez said this was not the first time Patel was accused of driving while asleep and on autopilot.
"I looked at the history and the vehicle with this registration was attempted to be pulled over two different times in February and August," Gomez said. "Both of them reported the driver appeared to be head down, sleeping."
Patel's car was towed because deputies said they felt it was unsafe for him to continue driving.
When reached by WISN 12, Patel said he did not have any comment on the story.
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So, will AP/FSD pull over for an emergency vehicle approaching from the rear? Did the car pull over, or did the driver wake up & stop?
Will it move over for one approaching from the front?
TX law states giving a 1 lane buffer, or slowing to 20mph (IIRC) under the speed limit, for a stopped emergency vehicle with its lights on. Will FSD do this? Genuine curiosity.
Will it move over for one approaching from the front?
TX law states giving a 1 lane buffer, or slowing to 20mph (IIRC) under the speed limit, for a stopped emergency vehicle with its lights on. Will FSD do this? Genuine curiosity.
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So, will AP/FSD pull over for an emergency vehicle approaching from the rear? Did the car pull over, or did the driver wake up & stop?
Will it move over for one approaching from the front?
TX law states giving a 1 lane buffer, or slowing to 20mph (IIRC) under the speed limit, for a stopped emergency vehicle with its lights on. Will FSD do this? Genuine curiosity.
Will it move over for one approaching from the front?
TX law states giving a 1 lane buffer, or slowing to 20mph (IIRC) under the speed limit, for a stopped emergency vehicle with its lights on. Will FSD do this? Genuine curiosity.
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Something for the Tesla (and any 'self driving' engineers to work on. If you're cruising along a the speed limit & an officer comes flying up behind you with their lights/siren on, I'd think it should be coded to move over (to pull over, or allow the emergency vehicle to pass) rather than impede.
Would be interesting to see how that coding would react to a normal car flashing their brights at you, if it would react in a similar manner.
Would be interesting to see how that coding would react to a normal car flashing their brights at you, if it would react in a similar manner.
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Something for the Tesla (and any 'self driving' engineers to work on. If you're cruising along a the speed limit & an officer comes flying up behind you with their lights/siren on, I'd think it should be coded to move over (to pull over, or allow the emergency vehicle to pass) rather than impede.
Would be interesting to see how that coding would react to a normal car flashing their brights at you, if it would react in a similar manner.
Would be interesting to see how that coding would react to a normal car flashing their brights at you, if it would react in a similar manner.
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So Bloomberg wrote an article about something we've known for months. Tesla has a couple cars with LiDAR rigs on top that drive around to confirm/train the accuracy of their vision based distance measuring neural net.
Here's a tweet from 8 months ago referencing their patent on it.
Here's a tweet from 8 months ago referencing their patent on it.
Originally Posted by Tesla Patent Abstract
A system is comprised of one or more processors coupled to memory. The one or more processors are configured to receive image data based on an image captured using a camera of a vehicle and to utilize the image data as a basis of an input to trained machine learning model to at least in part identify a distance of an object from the vehicle. The trained machine learning model has been trained using a training image and a correlated output of an emitting distance sensor.
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So Bloomberg wrote an article about something we've known for months. Tesla has a couple cars with LiDAR rigs on top that drive around to confirm/train the accuracy of their vision based distance measuring neural net.
Here's a tweet from 8 months ago referencing their patent on it.
https://twitter.com/Delta_2319/statu...45918942736386
Here's a tweet from 8 months ago referencing their patent on it.
https://twitter.com/Delta_2319/statu...45918942736386
Those who pursue LiDAR based system are in for a surprise soon. I heard Rivian is trying to move away from it too.
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Seems like Tesla has removed radar from future models
https://twitter.com/truth_tesla/stat...06856706830342
https://twitter.com/truth_tesla/stat...06856706830342
Tesla today announced the official transition to “Tesla Vision” without radar on Model 3 and Model Y.
In the process, the automaker warns of some limitations on Autopilot features at first.
Over the last few months, Tesla has been talking about transitioning its Autopilot and Full Self-Driving technology to solely using computer vision based on cameras and not relying on its front-facing radar anymore.
Now Tesla announced that they are removing the radar altogether on new Model 3 and Model Y vehicles produced in the US:
The automaker warned that the transition will result in some basic limitations of Autosteer, an Autopilot feature, and Smart Summon, a Full Self-Driving package feature:
The latest iteration of Tesla Vision was first developed as part of Tesla’s Full Self-Driving Beta program that was tested in its early access program.
CEO Elon Musk has been hyping the vision-only update as “mind-blowing.” He insists that it will lead to a true level 5 autonomous driving system by the end of the year, but he has gotten that timeline wrong before.
Tesla also confirmed that Model S and Model X, as well as Model 3 and Model Y built in China, will also transition to Tesla Vision without confirming the timing.
As we previously reported, the idea of moving to only cameras using computer vision is that the only known system that can drive right now is the human brain. It relies on input from human eyes, which are closer to cameras than anything else.
With cameras all around the vehicle with different fields of view, Tesla can achieve greater vision than humans, and the problem becomes only solving computer vision, which the automaker believes it is on the way to solving.
In the process, the automaker warns of some limitations on Autopilot features at first.
Over the last few months, Tesla has been talking about transitioning its Autopilot and Full Self-Driving technology to solely using computer vision based on cameras and not relying on its front-facing radar anymore.
Now Tesla announced that they are removing the radar altogether on new Model 3 and Model Y vehicles produced in the US:
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Beginning with deliveries in May 2021, Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for the North American market will no longer be equipped with radar. Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving, and certain active safety features. Customers who ordered before May 2021 and are matched to a car with Tesla Vision will be notified of the change through their Tesla Accounts prior to delivery.
- Autosteer will be limited to a maximum speed of 75 mph and a longer minimum following distance.
- Smart Summon (if equipped) and Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance may be disabled at delivery.
In the weeks ahead, we’ll start restoring these features via a series of over-the-air software updates. All other available Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features will be active at delivery, depending on order configuration.
CEO Elon Musk has been hyping the vision-only update as “mind-blowing.” He insists that it will lead to a true level 5 autonomous driving system by the end of the year, but he has gotten that timeline wrong before.
Tesla also confirmed that Model S and Model X, as well as Model 3 and Model Y built in China, will also transition to Tesla Vision without confirming the timing.
As we previously reported, the idea of moving to only cameras using computer vision is that the only known system that can drive right now is the human brain. It relies on input from human eyes, which are closer to cameras than anything else.
With cameras all around the vehicle with different fields of view, Tesla can achieve greater vision than humans, and the problem becomes only solving computer vision, which the automaker believes it is on the way to solving.
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So, I take it this is Elon's new version of End of Quarter push hell? It used to be misaligned panels and shoddy paint jobs, but now, rather than have 10-20k cars sit in lots waiting for radar supplies, they'll just remove it completely and call it some new "Pure Vision" feature? AND have Teslarati proclaim it's the best thing ever since it saves them $250?
Not to mention they're disabling the radar on all the older cars via OTA, so prior owners now lose the safety feature of pre-collision alert (where if the vehicle two cars ahead slam on their brakes or are involved in an accident, but you don't see it due to the car in front you blocking your vision)?
I feel sorry for you Sam. They better offer to retrofit the radar modules in your currently delayed 3 for free when they can finally get their supplies again.
Not to mention they're disabling the radar on all the older cars via OTA, so prior owners now lose the safety feature of pre-collision alert (where if the vehicle two cars ahead slam on their brakes or are involved in an accident, but you don't see it due to the car in front you blocking your vision)?
I feel sorry for you Sam. They better offer to retrofit the radar modules in your currently delayed 3 for free when they can finally get their supplies again.
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So, I take it this is Elon's new version of End of Quarter push hell? It used to be misaligned panels and shoddy paint jobs, but now, rather than have 10-20k cars sit in lots waiting for radar supplies, they'll just remove it completely and call it some new "Pure Vision" feature? AND have Teslarati proclaim it's the best thing ever since it saves them $250?
Not to mention they're disabling the radar on all the older cars via OTA, so prior owners now lose the safety feature of pre-collision alert (where if the vehicle two cars ahead slam on their brakes or are involved in an accident, but you don't see it due to the car in front you blocking your vision)?
I feel sorry for you Sam. They better offer to retrofit the radar modules in your currently delayed 3 for free when they can finally get their supplies again.
Not to mention they're disabling the radar on all the older cars via OTA, so prior owners now lose the safety feature of pre-collision alert (where if the vehicle two cars ahead slam on their brakes or are involved in an accident, but you don't see it due to the car in front you blocking your vision)?
I feel sorry for you Sam. They better offer to retrofit the radar modules in your currently delayed 3 for free when they can finally get their supplies again.
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So, I take it this is Elon's new version of End of Quarter push hell? It used to be misaligned panels and shoddy paint jobs, but now, rather than have 10-20k cars sit in lots waiting for radar supplies, they'll just remove it completely and call it some new "Pure Vision" feature? AND have Teslarati proclaim it's the best thing ever since it saves them $250?
Not to mention they're disabling the radar on all the older cars via OTA, so prior owners now lose the safety feature of pre-collision alert (where if the vehicle two cars ahead slam on their brakes or are involved in an accident, but you don't see it due to the car in front you blocking your vision)?
I feel sorry for you Sam. They better offer to retrofit the radar modules in your currently delayed 3 for free when they can finally get their supplies again.
Not to mention they're disabling the radar on all the older cars via OTA, so prior owners now lose the safety feature of pre-collision alert (where if the vehicle two cars ahead slam on their brakes or are involved in an accident, but you don't see it due to the car in front you blocking your vision)?
I feel sorry for you Sam. They better offer to retrofit the radar modules in your currently delayed 3 for free when they can finally get their supplies again.
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As for the 5 facing forward cameras looking around the vehicle in front you? These are the same cameras that still cannot safely make unprotected left turns in FSD when there's another car on the opposite turn bay. Unless there's an undocumented X-ray feature, they will get blocked due to their FoV and angles.
They might be mitigating it somewhat by forcing Autopilot to pull back on their following distance in this update, but what happens when you have Autopilot off? Is pre-collision only enabled on Teslas with Autopilot? Most, if not all other cars have the PCS system separate from cruise etc.
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👀 Hundreds of Model Y front underbody castings are being made in Austin. Not sure if this is just practice or maybe if they get these machines up and running at scale they can ship a steady stream of them to Fremont and start putting them in Ys now. Maybe they can use them before the structural battery pack is ready ¯\_(ツ)_/¯