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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 08:20 AM
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Agree that FSD is still a work in progress (and not for long according to Elon), but tell me which car offers all the functionalities of Tesla autopilot for free?
Tons of cars offer the same capability as autopilot for free. FSD (which is not FSD) isn't free, it's a $10k option.

Regardless, even though it's a work in progress, FSD is stuck in level 2 and isn't intended to go past that.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 09:56 AM
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Regardless, even though it's a work in progress, FSD is stuck in level 2 and isn't intended to go past that.
It can't - the hardware can't support it.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
It can't - the hardware can't support it.
BuT CaMeRaS ArE BeTtEr ThAn LIDAR!!!


***see also, Waymo cars running successful L4 self driving in public with LIDAR.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Tesla doesn't offer those functionalities for free, but...

Carmakers with level 2 autonomous vehicles:

Audi - Traffic Jam Assist
Cadillac - Super Cruise
Mercedes - Driver Assistance System
Tesla - Autopilot
Volvo - Pilot Assist

And level 3:

Honda - Sensing Elite (this is the only production car with a level 3 or greater system)
As far as I know Tesla offers autopilot free on all its cars in USA.
If the Honda system works on city streets with full traffic lights /cones recognition and acts autonomously, then it’s great. How much they charge for it?

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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
It can't - the hardware can't support it.
Save your words. You might have to eat them pretty soon. .
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 11:34 AM
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Autopilot (which appears similar to adaptive cruise, which is standard equip on many ICE vehicles) does appear to be included, but FSD is a $10k add-on, at least on the Model 3, based on the current Tesla site.

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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 11:44 AM
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Save your words. You might have to eat them pretty soon. .
Then so will Tesla's own legal team and the official statement they put out.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Autopilot (which appears similar to adaptive cruise, which is standard equip on many ICE vehicles) does appear to be included, but FSD is a $10k add-on, at least on the Model 3, based on the current Tesla site.
Correct. However their $10k FSD suite is still a level 2 system.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 03:27 PM
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https://jalopnik.com/this-billboard-...ood-1846698527

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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 06:58 PM
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Speaking of Full Self Driving

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...sj-2021-04-18/
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 07:11 PM
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 07:13 PM
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Tesla owners are saying it isn’t possible for autopilot to have been engaged because there are no line markers on that road, it won’t run on a road without line markers




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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 07:37 PM
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Don't worry. Those two died so the algorithm could work better.
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 07:43 PM
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Can't use Full Self Driving on roads without lane lines? Interesting. $10k option
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 07:59 PM
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So the only “evidence“ that auto pilot was on was when they looked at the crash there was no dead body sitting in the driver’s seat. Maybe the driver didn’t put a seatbelt on and ran into a tree at 60 miles an hour flinging him from the driver seat into the back where he died.

so fucking ridiculous
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Costco
Can't use Full Self Driving on roads without lane lines? Interesting. $10k option
bruh autopilot is free, you’re just as clueless as the reporters writing these bs articles
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 08:12 PM
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so they backed out of his driveway drove a few hundred yards and crashed on a road with no lane markers which means auto pilot could not have been enabled but yet this is still auto pilot‘s fault and auto pilot costs $10,000

Costco logic…
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
so fucking ridiculous
Selling "full self driving" for $10,000 is fucking ridiculous
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/st...477985287?s=21

so they backed out of his driveway drove a few hundred yards and crashed on a road with no lane markers which means auto pilot could not have been enabled but yet this is still auto pilot‘s fault and auto pilot costs $10,000

Costco logic…
If they weren't in the driver seat, they would have had to have had autopilot on to move. Otherwise, the car would brake under regeneration.
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 08:31 PM
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Auto pilot won’t enable if someone isn’t in the driver seat


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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Auto pilot won’t enable if someone isn’t in the driver seat

https://twitter.com/mliebow/status/1...594789895?s=21
It will engage and then you can get up
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Costco
Can't use Full Self Driving on roads without lane lines? Interesting. $10k option
Right, especially so when they themselves admit that it's not full self driving and won't be in the current iteration.

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So the only “evidence“ that auto pilot was on was when they looked at the crash there was no dead body sitting in the driver’s seat. Maybe the driver didn’t put a seatbelt on and ran into a tree at 60 miles an hour flinging him from the driver seat into the back where he died.

so fucking ridiculous
Uhh...the laws of physics would prevent someone crashing head on into a tree from being pushed into the back seat. If the crash was backwards then Tesla is using cardboard for seats.

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Selling "full self driving" for $10,000 is fucking ridiculous
This.

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It will engage and then you can get up
This seems like terrible implementation...
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kurtatx
It will engage and then you can get up
auto pilot won’t engage on a road without line markers this road does not have line markers
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 09:05 PM
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They may have been in cruise control but cruise control isn’t autopilot
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 09:08 PM
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Seems like at 11:30 on a Saturday night two drunk idiots enabled cruise control on a street with no line markers climbed into the backseat and died. Seems like a Darwin award nominee to me
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 09:54 PM
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 10:28 PM
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Who needs PR when you have deluded assholes like Stunna to clean up your messes?

Tesla has the best PR money can't buy.
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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 10:35 PM
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Seriously, is Tesla apologetics a new hobby for you now?
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yeah maybe, I enjoyed debunking all of the climate change denier bs on this forum for the last decade. Now idiots are spreading bs about the company that's doing the most to prevent the worst effects of climate change so here I am correcting falsehoods with facts and logic.
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You forgot ad hominem
​​​​​​​2 pages later…

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Who needs PR when you have deluded assholes like Stunna to clean up your messes?

Tesla has the best PR money can't buy.
​​​​​​​Good job debunking all the facts I posted with a hypocritical ad hominem

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Old Apr 18, 2021 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kurtatx
Selling "full self driving" for $10,000 is fucking ridiculous
Yes it's ridiculous, but unfortunately it's gonna get even more expensive and approach ludicrous in near future. Not sure I totally agree with that (closer to $100K in value), but, that's what the projection is when Robotaxis are fully operational.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
​​​​​​​Good job debunking all the facts I posted with a hypocritical ad hominem
You've been debunked countless times. Also, I'd believe the words of someone who owns one over one that desires to own one.

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Yes it's ridiculous, but unfortunately it's gonna get even more expensive and approach ludicrous in near future. Not sure I totally agree with that (closer to $100K in value), but, that's what the projection is when Robotaxis are fully operational.
Technology gets cheaper with time, not the other way around. Not too long ago autopilot was a $7k add on, now it's free. I wouldn't (and won't) pay $10k for a feature that isn't guaranteed to work.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
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​​​​​​​Good job debunking all the facts I posted with a hypocritical ad hominem
Honestly, we're all just done with your bullshit.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 09:42 AM
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You really want to blame autopilot for a death on a road when facts show that it won't work unless someone is in the front seat, the seat belt is clicked in and the road has lane markers. The facts of this case doesn't meet all of those requirements so instead of admitting that autopilot wasn't enabled your only option is ad hominem attacks

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I wonder if news articles nationwide were written every time someone abused cruise control and did dumb shit like this

We're there people going on message boards blaming the manufacturers every time someone abused a safety feature

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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
I wonder if news articles nationwide were written every time someone abused cruise control and did dumb shit like this

We're there people going on message boards blaming the manufacturers every time someone abused a safety feature
When an automaker makes a claim that their car is able to perform "FULL self driving" it is absolutely appropriate to question and blame said automaker for resultant deaths related to use of said feature.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 09:56 AM
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When an automaker makes a claim that their car is able to perform "FULL self driving" it is absolutely appropriate to question and blame said automaker for resultant deaths related to use of said feature.
Well, and the problem is Elon is straight lying about it. On Joe Rogan he said

“Well, Autopilot is getting good enough that you won't need to drive most of the time. I find you can rest your hand on your knee"

However, Tesla's legal team in early march admitted "full self driving" will always be Level 2 (in other words, not full self driving)
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 10:06 AM
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Well, and the problem is Elon is straight lying about it. On Joe Rogan he said

“Well, Autopilot is getting good enough that you won't need to drive most of the time. I find you can rest your hand on your knee"

However, Tesla's legal team in early march admitted "full self driving" will always be Level 2 (in other words, not full self driving)
Agreed. They need to change the name of it before they get into huge legal trouble.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
https://twitter.com/gauthiergarnier/...71764426788868

I wonder if news articles nationwide were written every time someone abused cruise control and did dumb shit like this

We're there people going on message boards blaming the manufacturers every time someone abused a safety feature
OMG. That’s was really scary. Hope he lost his license on that stunt. good thing that the electric power line didn’t fall.
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Honestly, we're all just done with your bullshit.
C’mon guys. All of us should tone it down a bit. Acurazine is supposed to be the fun site.
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