SamDoe1

Solar panels and a powerwall are not going to charge your Tesla AND run your house at the same time. There's just not enough production in the panels to charge the car, charge the battery, AND run whatever inside the house.

So...like he said the advantages aren't huge enough.

SamDoe1

I get in my Jeep and be on my merry way.

kurtatx

Big point for Tesla here:
Was at a stop light (first car in line). Light turns green, I launch, and a car travels in the direction of t-boning me but I go so fast the oncoming car drives behind me.

So, by convincing me to buy the Acceleration boost, y'all saved me life.

cheers.

oonowindoo

That is why your next car should be Model S plaid.... with 0-60 in 1.99 sec, no one would ever rear end you or T bone you. Only you can hit others from being too fast.

kurtatx

I got the whole thing recorded, too

Yumcha

So, how do you feel?

oonowindoo

Make sure you dont forward that video to the Muskettes, cuz they will worship you as their new leader

#1 STUNNA

So now you need to add acceleration boost to your Y

You're welcome

kurtatx

Fortunate? Thankfully, nothing actually happened.

#1 STUNNA

The underlying codebase is still different between AP and FSDBeta. I wonder if non FSD Beta users will have their AP codebase replaced with a feature limited version of FSD beta at the same time. Long term it makes no sense to have 2 different codebases so it's bound to happen but IDK when.


It'll be interesting to see how much better AP gets when it's running on FSD codebase

#1 STUNNA

Comfy

I was on the camp of buying a Tesla but don’t get the FSD. Now it looks like there’s no point in buying a Tesla without getting FSD.

SamDoe1

How is it different?

You can buy FSD any time you want even after buying the car, it's still not worth getting it for $10k because it's still a Beta. You'd be paying a shit load of money to be someone else's guinea pig. If Tesla wants people to beta for them then they should pay the drivers not the other way around. I still maintain that I'm not paying a dime for FSD until I can sit in the back and take a nap while the car drives. If I have to be aware at all times and willing to take over at a moment's notice then what exactly is the point of FSD? I might as well just drive myself at that point.

#1 STUNNA

Tesla virtual power plant rolling out soon in California. It’s already live in Australia

pttl

Why? No one has yet explained why you want a car to drive you? One of the greatest things in owning a car is the driving experience. I just don't understand why anyone would want to remove that. I just can't relate to this way of thinking. Just take a cab. Get an Uber. Ride the bus.

Comfy

hmmmmm…..maybe you guys are right.

SamDoe1

I agree with you for the most part but there are parts of driving I don't really want to do. Sitting in traffic for example. I went to meet some friends for happy hour last week and sat in traffic for 20 minutes. I literally did nothing but checked my email while the car dealt with driving, it was wonderful. Another is long boring highway slogs, set the autopilot, half pay attention to what it's doing, and enjoy the ride. Don't have to worry about wind gusts, idiot drivers cutting you off, keeping in the lane, eating, drinking, etc. It's just easier overall on your brain and you arrive far more refreshed than if you 100% drove the same route.

Now if there's a fun road that you can drive, shut that shit off and enjoy it.

Comfy

I see it just as an evolution of features like cruise control. Why would you need adaptive cruise or lane control either…? These were considered premium features (at the time) and people were willing to pay a premium for it. FSD is the current iteration of it and people will pay for it regardless of how good or bad it is.

pttl

I would never pay for it. Especially from Muskrat.

SamDoe1

I didn't pay extra for it. My version of autopilot is standard with all Teslas and isn't "full self driving" which is a $10k option that you'd have to be one hell of a sheep to pay for at this point.

oonowindoo

last time i checked, none of those required a $200 a month subscription service.

Most of those "premium" features were part of a package that dont cost $10k or $200/month.

I have yet met a person specifically paid extra for adaptive cruise control, because that is a feature he/she wanted in a car. FSD is a standalone service.

SamDoe1

Adaptive cruise and lane keep are not $10k options on a Tesla, that's the standard autopilot stuff. The FSD option gets you the navigate on autopilot (it'll take exits for you), the auto lane change thing, summon, auto park, and driving on city streets "autonomously" and a few other things too. It's wholly not worth $10k because not many of those things work reliably. Summon, auto park, and autonomous city driving don't really work well. There are more than a few videos of Teslas crashing into things using those features. I don't know if the new version is better or not but it's certainly still not full self driving. The navigate on autopilot works fine as does the auto lane change but those two features are not worth anywhere remotely close to $10k.

Also, I absolutely would pay more for adaptive cruise. It's a godsend on long trips and sitting in traffic. I won't own a car without it unless it's not my main daily driver like my Jeep. Fortunately most cars, aside from the luxury crowd, have that sort of thing as standard so it's not a big deal anymore. Why a BMW X7 that costs $80k doesn't have adaptive cruise when a $20k Corolla has it is beyond me.

Comfy

What world are you living in? Until recent past most cars had adaptive cruise only on the top end models or to buy as an add on option. For example my Chrysler minivan didn’t come with it as standard. I had to pay for an extra package to get that feature. If you don’t know this, then you are obviously playing blind. I understand that many cars have that as standard feature now, but that’s again an evolution. Just like power steering, air conditioning, and cruise control etc. got democratized.

I totally get what you are saying that it is overpriced. I too agree that, but I believe it may somehow become standard feature on most cars (if not all) at some point in future. It’s only a matter of time.

#1 STUNNA

In the end this is what matters the most

#1 STUNNA

But muh radar

Comfy

So it’s better than radar in adverse weather situations. Great. One more of the pillars supporting radar falls.
Anything else against vision….. Guys.

SamDoe1

No, it's not. There's no evidence to support that it's better. If you have any please let me know. Also, that video was a temporary obstruction that cleared within seconds. A permanent obstruction definitely does not allow the system to function because I fucking tried it and it doesn't work. As soon as we get some freaking rain here I'll give it a shot in the rain and see how it goes. I do know that it times the wipers to allow the system to see. We haven't had fog here in forever so no clue on that. Winter will bring about its own challenges that we'll all learn about in due time.

Radar is a belt and suspenders situation. I think comfy even said it himself, more sensors = better and safer so why are you saying that radar is bad?

BurnabyTSX

From my understanding, the standard automotive radar module that everyone (including Tesla) was using was meant for adaptive cruise, and forward collision warning (they bounce under the car the in front so it can detect sudden deceleration forward of that; something Tesla has yet to prove it can do with Pure Vision alone).

What the radar was never meant for, is this so-called FSD and Autopilot type of applications. Or even detection in bad weather, as it would be absolutely stupid to do high-speed adaptive cruise in snowy weather. Heck, on most cars, if there is snow accumulation in front of the radar sensor (very likely given their location), the radar is blinded anyway and adaptive cruise is disabled.

Thus, it makes sense that Tesla can ditch the radar signal for some of their auto-navigation stuff, but it is nothing more than cost-cutting or a parts-supply issue that they removed radar from the suite which allows Pre-Collision warnings and high speed cruising.

oonowindoo

I dont know WTF you are talking about. I never said it was FREE. read again.

oonowindoo

But Elon said so. If Elon decides to put the Radar back on, you will see Comfy backpedals faster than the Olympians.

oonowindoo

Yah if that is the reason - "We are trying to keep the price increase to a min due to current supply issues, thus, we have found a comparable replacement camera based system without compromising safety"
If that is what they said, then it sounds perfectly reasonable to me.. given that it is comparable.

Not all this BS that Muskettes are pulling out of their asses.

Comfy

That was meant as a sarcasm, I’m sorry if it didn’t come across as such. Here it is again
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Comfy

About why Tesla decided to unleash half baked FSD beta…..

#1 STUNNA

Is the same guy who incorrectly yet confidently stated that there was no redundant parts in Tesla's FSD system now saying that there's no evidence that vision can be better than radar, even though I posted a video explaining it that gave details and examples of where radar fails and visions succeeds

good thing we have time stamp support in Youtube links now, see below

oonowindoo

Comparing Autopilot in the aircraft to the autopilot in a car that is surrounded by 10 or 20 cars at any given time with traffic lights, stop signs, lane changes and curves?

There is a reason why landing a plane still require manual operation with Autopilot disabled, even tho technically speaking, auto pilot could land the plane just as safely.

oonowindoo

Just FYI... other than comfy, no one here watches the video you posted as we would look at the pictures that SSFTSX posted.

#1 STUNNA

So you're actively avoiding learning facts about the topic under discussion, that's called willful ignorance, not something to be proud of IMO but it does explain why you're wrong so much

oonowindoo

Facts? You think they are facts and we see them as propaganda provided by Tesla fanboys like yourself. Have you tested them yourself? What the Tesla owners here are saying are not facts, but the BS video you found on youtube is somehow Fact?

It is no different than Trump quoted pro-Trump articles as "facts" and proof about how the election was stolen from him....

Like we are ALL wrong? only you are right?
You dont even know what ignorance is when it hits your face.

#1 STUNNA

A video from Andrej Karpathy the director of artificial intelligence and Autopilot Vision at Tesla is "BS"? Who is a better source for info on Tesla FSD than the main guy overseeing the project?

LMAO

SamDoe1

I don't give a flying fuck who that guy is. I went and tried on my own Tesla (2021 with vision only) with the most recent software that Tesla themselves released to the public on the road and highways around my house first hand and it DID NOT WORK WITH CAMERA OBSTRUCTED. I don't know what else to tell you.