So the added weight (because that pack will not be small) will negatively impact performance and take up space in the bed.

Also, 470 is not 500, and in Tesla speak, 470 miles is really more like 410.

This vid has interviews with 2 of the head engineers


cool early sketch up

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...eb77bf3d12.png

Yeah which is why they decided to make it an add-on pack, IDK how the logistics of that will work I'd imagine it requires a trip to the service center in order to add or remove.

Thats because you aren’t paying attention. The inside frame is thinner and only for the shape. The main strength is provided by the exoskeleton. :whyme:

One of the best reviews of Cybertruck.

Quite simply this is stunning piece of modern vehicular design. Stainless steel exoskeleton, giga castings, structural battery pack, drive & steer by wire, 48v / 800v architecture, and many more.

It's the lightest full size truck, in fact the tri-motor version weighs less than the Rivian truck (which is another stellar modern EV by itself) - benefits of exoskeleton design and structural battery pack.

The pricing has put off many customers but this is currently on par with the rest of industry. Due to the huge waitlist and demand, it's a no brainer for Tesla to do it this way.

As predicted, people are warming up to the design of Cybertruck.

The comparison with Hummer EV showed the massive technology gap GM has with Tesla. Ford is in no better position.

Rivian is the only truck even remotely competitive with Cybertruck though it's smaller and has a conventional design. Lucid Gravity hasn't launched yet, so we'll see.

Cybertruck is destined to succeed. It will reshape the American pick up truck industry.

Cybertruck is the most technologically advanced vehicle currently in the market. Can't wait for what the next few years will bring.

1.) Lucid Gravity is not a truck.
2.) The CT is a technological marvel. There are so many things about it that are absolutely game changing.
3.) Too bad it's hideous and that's what will put off a lot of people more so than the tech stuff.
4.) Because normal buyers don't really care about the tech stuff
5.) The Hummer EV is meant to be a status symbol, not a great car. It's not a great car on or off road. It sucks at both.
6.) Definitely does not have an exoskeleton. Still has a normal unibody underneath even if the panels are strong. They are not load bearing panels.
7.) Your normal American truck buyer isn't going to buy this thing or the Rivian. They will buy the F150, Silverado, or the Ram. Probably the Ramcharger because range extender.
8.) Rivian's design is only "traditional" as it pertains to shape. The drivetrain, construction, inside, and functionality isn't anything like a traditional truck.
9.) People are not warming up to the design, it's ugly.
10.) This will sell like hotcakes for a bit until the fanbois all get them, then sales will taper FAST.
11.) Because, see #3.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...6/702/3f2.jpeg

If I were buying today: R1T, Lightning, Ram, in that order. The rest likely wouldn't get consideration. CT & Hummer, too ugly, and I don't care for how the GM EV looks either.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The main reason buyers will hesitate is its current price. Even Tesla fans are postponing the decision due to price.
All I will say is they will sell as many high priced ones in the first two years (for early adopters) and then only RDW.
Hopefully prices will come down afterwards.

This is a full size truck, with multiple cutting edge technologies, using a heavy stainless steel panel for its exterior, but somehow lighter than all other trucks. I don't know what's @SamDoe1 your definition of exoskeleton is. Would you consider Starship as Exoskeleton? (It also has a frame inside BTW) :D

An exoskeleton is one where the outer panels/structure are load bearing and there is no frame on the inside aside from holding cosmetic items. The CT does not have this, it has a normal frame on the inside with your usual large castings for the main unibody.

I don't know how the starship is built so I can't speak to that.

We can agree to disagree here.
I choose to call it exoskeleton as simply as the manufacturer chose to call it.
What you see inside is a framework for attachment of all the mechanical structures.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...23e9e67460.png

There's nothing to disagree with, an exoskeleton by definition would imply that the exterior steel panels are load bearing and they are definitely not. If that were true then there would be no casting on the inside, it would be entirely unnecessary.

It appears they are using the word "exoskeleton" as a marketing term and not in its literal definition and definitely not in the same way they did when it was launched.

Personally I love how polarizing the CT is. I love the people hate it. I love that it looks like it came out of Bladerunner. I'd have a hard time choosing between it and Rivian (and maybe a ram charger).

The biggest reason I'd pass on another Tesla at this time is Elon...but after having a competing EV as my rental for the last month....road tripping and charging is bullshit if it's not Tesla Supercharging. So, we'll see what happens when all these other makes start putting that plug on their cars.

^ We'll find out in Q1/Q2 of next year when we're supposed to get access to the network. I'll definitely let you all know once I get in. :)

Are you going to have your plug retrofitted or just get an adapter cable?

Adapter. They are sending one to everyone for free. If the adapter works fine then there's no reason to swap the plug.

Is it more palatable when Tesla itself rips you off rather than a traditional dealer ADM fee?

I'm confused @biker - which fee is a rip off? The destination fee? Or the license, registration and taxes, which are dependent on where you live?

The price of the Founder Edition includes a ton of optional items that cost extra on the base truck (and some of which can't be had at all) - all of which can be seen in the second photo of the first tweet. It's not just special badging for $20k.

Some would disagree on the value of those things. The point is that Tesla does the exact same thing dealers do - adjust the price to what the market will bear.

Biker, who thinks Cybertruck pricing will decrease substantially within a couple of years.

I personally don't think FSD is worth anywhere close to what they're asking for it but the price is still the price. At least this "ADM" comes with tangible added value rather than just straight greed. The FSD upgrade is $12k in itself, the charging things is probably another $1k. Not sure what the other items/options go for but this is probably a reasonable price for it.

Definitely agree that the price for the "truck" is going to plummet as soon as all the fanbois get one.

The only issue is that the fanbois are waiting for the prices to plummet first. :D :D

That seems like a pretty glaring issue if the mainstream buyer isn't even considering this thing.

No, this is definitely not true. They are the ones buying right away with their reservations.

:rofl:

https://jalopnik.com/ford-f-150-come...k-g-1851092936

Had this happen today. I kinda love it. L
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...e44ee62b8.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...36a45f77a.jpeg

:ugh:



:rofl:

:hurl:

My wheelbarrow has better fit and finish.

That thing is worse than I thought possible.

:rofl:

It looks like it was put together by a bunch of toddlers.

It would have looked cool on Mars in 1990 in Total Recall.

I'll predict that it'll grow on people and it'll become the new normal within a few years.

We've been looking and talking about it since 2019. Still ugly.

many people are going to put custom wraps on it and they won’t ride around with the stainless steel.

In today's shocking news from Tesla, the Cybertruck doesn't meet claimed range estimates!!!

Estimated range: 340mi (lol) CT dual motor
Actual range: 250mi :rofl:

So much for outstanding efficiency, even the Rivian (dual motor, AT tires) gets 290mi on a full charge.