Subaru: Legacy News
01-14-2009, 11:50 AM
#362
Chloe @ 17mo
i hate when stupid manufacturers make these concept ideas WAY over the top. we all know they're not going to do any of that. maybe some hints on the styling cues/design lines, but all those other little gizmos and gadgets are tacky and dumb.
why cant they just be realistic and come out with concepts that are going to be closer to the real thing?
why cant they just be realistic and come out with concepts that are going to be closer to the real thing?
Bitch much?Concepts are suppose to be wild and over the top. I mean look at all of the crazy cool designs that Mazda has released the past 2 years.
Beside, just take away all the removable exterior bits (grill, and lights, etc) and you have body panels indicative of what the next generation Legacy will look like.
01-15-2009, 03:16 AM
#363
Drifting
who's bitching. im just calling it as i see it.
sure concepts are a way to show off what they got. but in the end, it just ends up costing them that much to design all that, in order for them to NOT make it?
give us the real thing, or a taste of what's to come. is that much to ask for? they show us all this pizazz and flamboyancy, but when the real thing comes out, its way conservative compared to the concept that they showed us half a year ago.
sure concepts are a way to show off what they got. but in the end, it just ends up costing them that much to design all that, in order for them to NOT make it?
give us the real thing, or a taste of what's to come. is that much to ask for? they show us all this pizazz and flamboyancy, but when the real thing comes out, its way conservative compared to the concept that they showed us half a year ago.
01-15-2009, 09:07 AM
#364
I drive a Subata.
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who's bitching. im just calling it as i see it.
sure concepts are a way to show off what they got. but in the end, it just ends up costing them that much to design all that, in order for them to NOT make it?
give us the real thing, or a taste of what's to come. is that much to ask for? they show us all this pizazz and flamboyancy, but when the real thing comes out, its way conservative compared to the concept that they showed us half a year ago.
sure concepts are a way to show off what they got. but in the end, it just ends up costing them that much to design all that, in order for them to NOT make it?
give us the real thing, or a taste of what's to come. is that much to ask for? they show us all this pizazz and flamboyancy, but when the real thing comes out, its way conservative compared to the concept that they showed us half a year ago.
Plus, I think there are various types of traffic law related design criterias that need to be incorporated into real car designs, however, all those concept vehicles do not have to follow those criterias.
Concepts must create as much publicity as possible. That's why companies always introduce its 'concepts' in the advance. Right? And, that is why the concepts always look much more fancy.
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01-15-2009, 10:42 AM
#365
Chloe @ 17mo
who's bitching. im just calling it as i see it.
sure concepts are a way to show off what they got. but in the end, it just ends up costing them that much to design all that, in order for them to NOT make it?
give us the real thing, or a taste of what's to come. is that much to ask for? they show us all this pizazz and flamboyancy, but when the real thing comes out, its way conservative compared to the concept that they showed us half a year ago.
sure concepts are a way to show off what they got. but in the end, it just ends up costing them that much to design all that, in order for them to NOT make it?
give us the real thing, or a taste of what's to come. is that much to ask for? they show us all this pizazz and flamboyancy, but when the real thing comes out, its way conservative compared to the concept that they showed us half a year ago.
03-31-2009, 12:40 PM
#369
The exterior would be pretty nice if it weren't for the huge ass headlights. And that center stack is UG-LY! Interior isn't as elegant and understated as the old one.
03-31-2009, 01:18 PM
#372
Chloe @ 17mo
The greenhouse is too big for the car. I love the look of the current gen because it's so balanced in term of its proportion and how it incorporated all the design influences, unlike this concept.
03-31-2009, 01:21 PM
#374
What Would Don Draper Do?
that the front looks like an infiniti and the back, a bmw. the concept was much cooler. again.the current version is a sportier alternative to the accord and camry. this one looks like another accord and/or camry.
03-31-2009, 01:34 PM
#375
I shoot people
actually the back kinda reminds me of a Hyundai 
03-31-2009, 01:40 PM
#378
that's what I was thinking. The old 6 was a nice, sporty car as it was. At first I was taken aback by the FMC, then it made sense seeing as how it had features and dimensions similar to the Accord/Camry
03-31-2009, 02:00 PM
#379
The sizzle in the Steak
Don't care for it.
03-31-2009, 02:37 PM
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It looks like it's going to be difficult for me to find something to replace my 04 Mazda 6, which I really enjoy. I had high hopes for the new Legacy, but it seems to be very generic and underwhelming.
03-31-2009, 02:54 PM
#382
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Exactly. Generic and underwhelming. Good description.
03-31-2009, 03:29 PM
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Here's part of the press release (I deleted a lot of the boring filler and focused on the engines):
No word on a Spec-B in the immediate future.
Subaru Introduces All-New Legacy Sedan at New York International Auto Show
Roomiest Legacy Sedan Ever with New Levels of Comfort and Refinement
Legacy 2.5-Liter Naturally-Aspirated Models Feature Newly Developed Lineartronic™ CVT
Tokyo, March 31, 2009 - Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), manufacturer of Subaru automobiles, today announced the unveiling of the all-new Legacy sedan (U.S. specifications) at the New York International Auto Show (press days on April 8 and 9, open to the public from April 10 through 19). The new sedan will be introduced in the U.S. market as the 2010 Legacy.
In the 20 years since the introduction of the first Legacy model, FHI has remained committed to enhancing both sporty handing and safety technology and has made significant improvements to this fifth-generation Legacy sedan. Featuring Subaru's core technology, symmetrical All-Wheel-Drive (AWD), along with FHI's original Horizontally-Opposed (BOXER) engine, the all-new Legacy sedan draws together superb driving performance and vital environmental considerations, while providing increased room and unparalleled comfort. The new Legacy sedan also features the new Subaru Lineartronic™ CVT (continuously variable transmission) and a new engine cradle design.
[Note: Information provided in this release is based on U.S. specifications.]
Larger midsize package for all occupants to enjoy On an all-new platform, the new Legacy sedan offers roominess comparable to mainstream midsize sedans in the North American market that are built around comfort and space.
• The new Legacy sedan is 35 mm longer, 90 mm wider and 80 mm higher than the previous model. While its overhang dimensions are shortened by 45 mm, its wheelbase is expanded by 80 mm, allowing for additional rear legroom.
• The trunk is enlarged and offers larger volume than the previous model, while its opening is also wider and placed lower for easier access and utility. The trunk will accommodate four nine-inch golf bags.
Engine and transmission
The new Legacy sedan is powered by improved Boxer engines that provide outstanding fuel economy. Three engine types are available in the U.S. market.
Legacy 2.5i
Engine displacement: 2,457cc
Max. output/ max. torque: 170 hp@ 5,600rpm/ 170 lb-ft.@ 4,000rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual / Lineartronic™ CVT
Legacy 2.5GT
Engine displacement: 2,457cc
Max. output/ max. torque: 265 hp@ 5,600rpm/ 258 lb-ft.@2,000- 5,200rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Legacy 3.6R
Engine displacement: 3,630cc
Max. output/ max. torque: 256 hp@ 6,000rpm/ 247 lb-ft.@ 4,400rpm
Transmission: 5-speed automatic
2.5-liter SOHC engine
• Employing a resin-based intake manifold, the engine is now lighter in weight and improves low speed range torque. Additionally, better fuel economy is achieved through engine cooling performance improvement in an engine head. Optimizing the specifications of its catalyst, the engine offers outstanding exhaust gas control.
2.5-liter DOHC Turbo engine
• Design changes in the turbocharger have raised performance and lowered emission levels.
• Peak torque is generated at levels as low as 2,000 rpm, and sustained smoothly at higher rpm ranges.
• The turbocharger unit is placed directly under the forward part of the crankshaft. This layout shortens the distance that exhaust gas must travel, increases response with smoother turbocharging and improves filtering of emissions. It also helps to lower the vehicle's center gravity, which results in more efficient weight distribution.
3.6-liter DOHC engine
• Featuring the same external dimensions as the earlier 3.0-liter engine, the new 3.6-liter engine is compact and lightweight.
• The Active Valve Control System (AVCS), which incorporates variable valve timing on both the intake and exhaust valves, optimizes power delivery across the engine's speed range while helping to reduce emissions. Not only does the 3.6 engine offer greater performance than the previous 3.0-liter unit, but it does so economically by using regular grade fuel. The 3.0-liter engine required premium grade.
Roomiest Legacy Sedan Ever with New Levels of Comfort and Refinement
Legacy 2.5-Liter Naturally-Aspirated Models Feature Newly Developed Lineartronic™ CVT
Tokyo, March 31, 2009 - Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), manufacturer of Subaru automobiles, today announced the unveiling of the all-new Legacy sedan (U.S. specifications) at the New York International Auto Show (press days on April 8 and 9, open to the public from April 10 through 19). The new sedan will be introduced in the U.S. market as the 2010 Legacy.
In the 20 years since the introduction of the first Legacy model, FHI has remained committed to enhancing both sporty handing and safety technology and has made significant improvements to this fifth-generation Legacy sedan. Featuring Subaru's core technology, symmetrical All-Wheel-Drive (AWD), along with FHI's original Horizontally-Opposed (BOXER) engine, the all-new Legacy sedan draws together superb driving performance and vital environmental considerations, while providing increased room and unparalleled comfort. The new Legacy sedan also features the new Subaru Lineartronic™ CVT (continuously variable transmission) and a new engine cradle design.
[Note: Information provided in this release is based on U.S. specifications.]
Larger midsize package for all occupants to enjoy On an all-new platform, the new Legacy sedan offers roominess comparable to mainstream midsize sedans in the North American market that are built around comfort and space.
• The new Legacy sedan is 35 mm longer, 90 mm wider and 80 mm higher than the previous model. While its overhang dimensions are shortened by 45 mm, its wheelbase is expanded by 80 mm, allowing for additional rear legroom.
• The trunk is enlarged and offers larger volume than the previous model, while its opening is also wider and placed lower for easier access and utility. The trunk will accommodate four nine-inch golf bags.
Engine and transmission
The new Legacy sedan is powered by improved Boxer engines that provide outstanding fuel economy. Three engine types are available in the U.S. market.
Legacy 2.5i
Engine displacement: 2,457cc
Max. output/ max. torque: 170 hp@ 5,600rpm/ 170 lb-ft.@ 4,000rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual / Lineartronic™ CVT
Legacy 2.5GT
Engine displacement: 2,457cc
Max. output/ max. torque: 265 hp@ 5,600rpm/ 258 lb-ft.@2,000- 5,200rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Legacy 3.6R
Engine displacement: 3,630cc
Max. output/ max. torque: 256 hp@ 6,000rpm/ 247 lb-ft.@ 4,400rpm
Transmission: 5-speed automatic
2.5-liter SOHC engine
• Employing a resin-based intake manifold, the engine is now lighter in weight and improves low speed range torque. Additionally, better fuel economy is achieved through engine cooling performance improvement in an engine head. Optimizing the specifications of its catalyst, the engine offers outstanding exhaust gas control.
2.5-liter DOHC Turbo engine
• Design changes in the turbocharger have raised performance and lowered emission levels.
• Peak torque is generated at levels as low as 2,000 rpm, and sustained smoothly at higher rpm ranges.
• The turbocharger unit is placed directly under the forward part of the crankshaft. This layout shortens the distance that exhaust gas must travel, increases response with smoother turbocharging and improves filtering of emissions. It also helps to lower the vehicle's center gravity, which results in more efficient weight distribution.
3.6-liter DOHC engine
• Featuring the same external dimensions as the earlier 3.0-liter engine, the new 3.6-liter engine is compact and lightweight.
• The Active Valve Control System (AVCS), which incorporates variable valve timing on both the intake and exhaust valves, optimizes power delivery across the engine's speed range while helping to reduce emissions. Not only does the 3.6 engine offer greater performance than the previous 3.0-liter unit, but it does so economically by using regular grade fuel. The 3.0-liter engine required premium grade.
03-31-2009, 04:09 PM
#385
Ahh, I miss the styling of the concept! It reminded me of an original Cylon
03-31-2009, 04:53 PM
#386
I shoot people
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03-31-2009, 07:43 PM
#389
04-02-2009, 01:32 AM
#394
"Hey, our current car is selling like hotcakes, lets go and fubar it by making it underpowered and uglier compared to all of our competitors, and give it a 5-speed automatic!"
04-02-2009, 06:14 PM
#397
ugly. if it weren't for the chrome and the projector headlights, the front looks like it belongs more on an economy car. In fact the first thing that came to my mind when i saw this was that scrappy little Suzuki car
