danny25

lots more pics here:
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...=subaru+legacy

bkknight369

yea i thought it was a repost

DelawareCLS

Very nice - I like the Saab look as well. Unfortunately, you have to wonder how well it'll hold up. Most of the Subaru's I've been in seem a little cheap.

EdgarFanCLS

This is the Legacy B4 that is out in Japan right now, correct?

Here is the japanese site: http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/bt/index_f.html

It's mostly non-english, but it isn't too difficult to navigate by just clicking around.

Looks like a great car. If it isn't priced too high I don't think it will have any trouble selling at all. The exterior is an outstanding improvement over the current legacy. Interior as well. I hope they offer up some nice luxury options to go with it.

RandyMax

Car and Driver said the 280 hp 2.0 Turbo engine will not make it here. We are going to have a 2.5 Turbo 4 that makes 250HP, plus a 3.0 boxer 6 that also makes 250 hp.

Wonder why we never get the good stuff. Emission? Crappy gas?

gavriil

What do you mean? We are getting the better stuff. Just because it makes less power that does not mean it's crappy. I am sure the torque of the 2.5 liter is very close to that of the 2 liter. And in terms of engine characteristics, I am sure that our engines are better.

Reddly9007

Wow someone from Saab should sue, that looks exactly like the new 9-3. Regardless its a pretty hot car, i almost bought the 9-3 (Arc i think, the turbo) but couldn't justify spending that much money on a 4 cyclinder first of all, plus no navi. Oh well if it wasn't a subaru i would buy it

Tom2

First damn Subaru I'd ever even consider buying!

The rear end shouts AUDI S4. I like it....

Tom2

Wow, after looking this car over for a couple of minutes, all I see is other cars...

Headlights- combination of Acura TL and new Honda Accord coupe
Grille- looks like something from Volvo
Hoodscoop- looks like an understated Mustang job
Taillights- Take an Audi A4 and new Camry taillights and merge them...
Profile- looks a lot like a new Civic 2 door

gavriil

Tom indeed.

DISRUPTV

i'd rather have a 2.5L turbo that makes 250hp vs. a 2.0L turbo that makes 280hp...reason being that there would be alot more potential w/the 2.5L due to the extra displacement and theoretically the 2.5L engine making 280hp would be under a lighter load than the 2.0l engine that makes the same hp

Zoot

and the dash reminds me of the current TL and RL.

heyitsme

i guess subaru should then sue saab for rebadging a wrx as a 9-2 then

its a nice looking car, the current b4 exterior looks good, but the interior needed work and they fixed it nice.

heyitsme

same can be said for a lot of newer cars including the 04tl

Black CL-S 4-Life

Best looking Subaru ever!

gavriil

2004 Subaru Legacy
Your next turbo Subie awaits


By BOB GRITZINGER


SO YOU SAY you’d love to own a Subaru WRX, with its torquey 227-hp turbocharged engine and rally suspension, but you can’t quite comfortably fit the family and all their gear into the compact car’s tight confines? And while the Legacy fits the bill for space and comfort, you’re not inspired by its 212-hp 3.0-liter flat-six, let alone its 165-hp 2.5-liter boxer-four?

May we suggest you start saving your car-buying pennies now, because next summer your wants and needs will be met when Subaru brings a turbocharged Legacy back to the U.S. market for the first time in nearly a decade. (The last time Subaru sold a turbo Legacy in the United States was 1991-94, in the form of a Legacy Sport Sedan offered with a 161-hp 2.2-liter four.)


2004 SUBARU LEGACY
(Japanese model)
ON SALE: Now (in Japan)
BASE PRICE: $23,212 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 2.0-liter, 276-hp, 253-lb-ft turbocharged H4; awd, five-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3108 pounds
0-60 MPH: 5.8 seconds (mfr.)



Packing a version of the 2.5-liter dohc turbo flat-four that makes 210 hp in the 2004 Forester Turbo and 300 hp in the WRX STi, the 2005 Legacy will fall somewhere in between. In the Legacy, the engine will produce about 250 hp and 250 lb-ft of torque—exact figures are still being worked out—representing a giant leap forward for what had been some of Subaru’s most sedate sedans and wagons. In Japan, buyers get a 2004-model-year Legacy with a 2.0-liter turbo four that makes 276 hp and 253 lb-ft of torque.

Non-turbo U.S. models, which arrive next April a few months ahead of the turbo editions, also get more horsepower. Look for 247 hp from a revised dohc 3.0-liter six, while the carryover sohc 2.5-liter gets a modest 5-hp bump to 170. Subaru engineers say the 3.0-liter is especially tuned for low-end power, while the carryover engine will likely remain at the same 166 lb-ft at 4000 rpm.

Thanks to a nearly 200-pound weight reduction in the fourth-generation Legacy, all 2005 models will have a little more jump in their step. Unlike some manufacturers who meticulously pare weight ounce by precious ounce—and then dump it all back into the car by adding options like heavy sunroofs, monster sound systems and power controllers for everything—Subaru cut poundage for all the right reasons.



We sampled a range of right-hand-drive next-generation 2.0-liter turbo and non-turbo Legacy sedans and wagons at Fuji Speedway in Japan. A U.S. version fitted with a 250-hp 2.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder arrives in dealerships next summer as a 2005 model.



“We did it for fuel efficiency, handling and performance,” said Kei Ono, Subaru’s general manager of overseas business planning. Ono now works at Subaru’s headquarters in Tokyo, but his 15-year stint at the company’s U.S. offices in New Jersey has given him a keen insight into the North American marketplace.

Subaru engineers took some of the usual steps to cut weight, putting particular emphasis on cutting pounds at the Legacy’s outboard extremities, without sacrificing chassis rigidity. They replaced heavy steel frame components with lightweight aluminum and high-strength steel parts, tossed aside the stamped- steel sheetmetal hood for an aluminum one, substituted aluminum rear suspension lower control arms for heavy steel ones, and used an aluminum front bumper beam in place of steel. Yes, you can still get a sunroof on your Legacy, but the weight-cutting jihad led to a 15.5-pound weight reduction for the popular top-heavy feature.

Engineers also focused on lowering the vehicle’s center of gravity. A key change came under the lightweight hood, where engineers took further advantage of the already low- profile horizontally opposed engine (Subaru claims a four- to six-inch lower center of gravity compared to competitors’ V6 and I4 setups) by lowering the entire engine placement nearly half an inch at the center of the engine and nearly an inch at the front.

Transmissions include Subaru’s five-speed automatic with automanual Sportshift as the only offering on 3.0-liter models; 2.5-liter turbo Legacys come with a standard five-speed manual or the optional Sportshift with steering wheel-mounted shift controls; normally aspirated 2.5-liter models are equipped with a standard five-speed manual or an optional four-speed automatic. Depending on customer interest, Subaru officials say a six-speed manual transmission could be offered in the future, possibly as part of a high-performance STi-tuned Legacy.

While it could almost go without saying, all Legacy models feature Subaru’s decades-refined all-wheel-drive system, now marketed as “symmetrical all-wheel drive” as though it’s something new and different. Not to worry: While the advertising geniuses may have a new name for it, it remains true, at least in principle if not in hardware, to the Subie awd standard we’ve come to know and love.

Base 2.5-liter U.S. models will come with 16-inch wheels and tires, while turbo and 3.0-liter models get 17-inchers (18-inch wheels are available on Japan-market turbo models).

All turbo models get a more aggressive suspension setup.




All the parts add up to major improvements in handling and performance. While our testing was limited to right-hand-drive Japan-market 2.0-liter turbos and 2.0-liter normally aspirated cars, big power isn’t the only story with this latest Legacy. The 276-hp turbo engine moves the 3108-pound car smartly off the line and holds its own through the rpm range. But the Legacy truly shines in harsh handling maneuvers where its balance belies its vanilla midsize intentions. Driven aggressively into a corner, the Legacy fitted with 17-inch tires challenges to the limit of adhesion, then begins to predictably understeer and is readily throttle-controlled back onto its proper line. Steering is nimble and direct, without a trace of twitching that might make it a bear for everyday driving, while braking is ample and well-balanced, with ABS taking control only in extreme stops.

On the downside, not all of the manual shifter’s rubbery shortcomings can be attributed to left-hand shifting. With most U.S. buyers opting for autoboxes, we should note that several five-speed automatics overheated when driven hard through the gears via the Sportshift linkage. However, the tranny does provide excellent automatic gear management when set in sport mode and allowed to make its own decisions. Just imagine driving a real-world version of a World Rally video game car set in automatic transmission mode, and you get the idea.

Driving dynamics aside, possibly the most improved attribute of the coming Legacy lies in its crisp, pre-Chris Bangle-era BMW-like styling (okay, with a hood scoop in some cases) and uncluttered, functional and handsome interior. With the new wrapper, the Legacy is likely to maintain its role in Japan as an aspirational car—one Subaru says drivers move up to after owning Hondas and Toyotas. But the sportier styling ought to play well in Peoria too, even though buyers pick the Outback with its higher ground clearance and rugged, outdoorsy trim by a wide margin over the regular Legacy.

Legacy and Outback sedans and wagons should start at about $20,000 and push the mid-$30,000 range fully loaded.

Zapata

nice......i'll have to check this fo sho.....

Moog-Type-S

Great...can't wait to see it...or buy it

gdubb

Python2121

looks good, hope its not priced too high

imo the wrx is just too high for its built quality. frankly, the interior is just crap....
it needs to be $3k less

gavriil

Am I wrong?

gavriil

TypeSAddict

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAA AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLL. Gives the TL a run for its money.

Minch00

WOW!!!

danny25

very nice... but I don't really like the titanium look with the fake wood... marble... sandstone... what ever that is...

Yumcha

Ack! I like!!
Isn't this also the car that's touted to be around 5 seconds from 0-60?

Joe5.0

I don't like black/tan interior schemes. Also, the silver & wood grain look strange together.

However, the interior looks top-notch, and it is going to have a de-tuned STi engine, so it's gonna be fast. Props to Suburu for making the Legacy a contender from a slow overpriced boring sedan.

Nashua_Night_Hawk

hot ride. I would stick pick the new TL over this. It would be probably faster? does it come with 6 speed stick? AWD I assume.

Slimey

It looks like it'll have a navi system. This was the most significant thing missing from our recent Subaru purchase.

The plastic titanium finish is OK. We have it in the new Forester. It's a little more 'plasticy' looking then Acura's interior, but better then a Nissan/Infiniti.

I was pleasantly surprised as to what Subaru now has on it's lot. Back when I owned a Subaru in the 1980s it was a cheap econo-car with turbo and 4WD. Now they're offering trim lines that can compete with the near-luxury class, not to mention their through-line of AWD and tuned turbo engines. Their cars are good quality products.

Zapata

looks nice, if acura doesn't have awd w/ stick, sedan in a few years might have to check this out.

heyitsme

nice but not of fan of so many interior colors. also manufacturers should stop using silver plastic in the center console unless its real metal, just no way to pull off silver paint without it ending up looking cheap.

soopa

looks nice

Red Nj-s

holy shit that is a hot fuckin car, how much hp again?

Black CL-S 4-Life

Very stylish looks better than any Nissan.

1SICKLEX

WOw, seems everyone (except Nissan) is stepping their interiors up. Sweet.

fahoumh

wow, that does look really good.

chef chris

Nice.

DISRUPTV

if it has 250 hp turbo, i'm down

Slimey

The Legacy comes with Subaru's Horizontal 6 3.0 liter engine. It weighs in about 215 HP/210 TQ. Non turbocharged.

DISRUPTV

ya i hear u slimey,


but supposedly, its going to have a detuned version of the 2.5L turbo