myron

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nice evo....I mean nice focus....I mean what is it?

RPhilMan1

Also wish they would have kept a hatchback version.

Costco

Eh, not terrible. I'm waiting to see if they have a new engine though instead of carrying over the old EJ.

JS + XES

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You can clearly tell it's a Subaru STi.

kurtatx

My initial response

myron

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by gold wheels and a park bench on the trunk? Yea I guess you are right

asianspec

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It does look like the STI ate a civic for breakfast, a corolla for lunch, and a focus for dinner. no snacks in between.

JS + XES

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No, if people aren't blind, they will be able to tell if it's STi or not.

justnspace

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by squinting at the little STi emblem?

JS + XES

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Yeah, like this.

iforyou

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it looks quite nice but yea it's kinda bland and the front looks like the current evo...

charliemike

Subaru would be better off building the STI from 2005 with a new interior.

This car is awful.

neuronbob

They ruined it. UGH. 1st gen was the best one.

Mizouse

I believe this is the STI? I mean look at the wheels behind the covers, matches more like the STI and then there's that wing.



And yes I took this today at 6:46pm while listening to tiesto

MTEAZY

Every review I've read of the new WRX and STI has been overwhelmingly positive.

Charlie & his Eurotrolls will throw a hissyfit, but Motor Trend rated it ahead of the CLA45 and M235i as a driver's car. Good job Subaru.

Mizouse

I'd rock the STI.


Still would've preferred it to be closer to the concept, but it is what it is.

MTEAZY

Even if the reviews are all wrong, the fact it can hang with significantly more expensive cars is a victory in itself.

RPhilMan1

There's no doubt that the STi is a very well performing and capable car.

The difficulty lies in accepting its exterior styling, and history of lack of interior features and comfort.

00TL-P3.2

Agreed, though from the few shots I've seen of it, I don't hate it.
Also, compared to the 2 mentioned above, it's likely considerably cheaper. 65k & 50k respectively, optioned up.

charliemike

Fuck you Meatzy. I drive a Ford. Shut your dick holster.

oonowindoo

it is a WRX and STI, engine and pretty much all performance stuff are all carry over from previous Gen. So, i would expect it to perform about the same as last Gen.

The problem is not with its performance. If you put a Toyota emblem on it, i would assume that is the next Camry.

ttribe

I don't really see the styling problem. Maybe it's just me, but the STI has always been a derivative of the rather pedestrian Imprezza. The latest generation just looks like more of the same. It's my impression that Subaru kind of shot itself in the foot by unveiling that concept car that everyone pegged as the next WRX/STI and then showing up with a hopped-up Imprezza again.

Regardless of all that, Subaru continues to squeeze amazing performance out of these cars. I think they've effectively left the Mistu Evo in the dust at this point.

oonowindoo

STi did not leave Evo in the dust, Mitsu decided to discontinue the Evo and focus on CUV/SUV instead

Evo 9/10 > STi.

I have driven countless Evo and STi during my years in the car industry.

Both cars have similar specs on paper, but Evo was a much better drivers car than STi

Costco

Except for the last part. I don't think Mitsubishi has another Evo in the works... at least it doesn't seem like it'll carry over to the next generation.

The problem is using the old EJ engine - can you say, "how much to change the head gaskets?" - in the STI. The WRX gets the new turbo FA20 found in the Forester XT...

JS + XES

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Like Mitsu has any CUV/SUV that work well.

ttribe

I'd forgotten about Mitsu dropping the Evo.

oonowindoo

Whatever makes them happy.

MTEAZY

A European Ford. And you're so proud of it that you have a German user title, a German car listing, and 2 German products in a gif for your avatar.

Go play with your Euro wagons.





Anyway, some of the Mitsubishi engineers must have defected to the other side, because this latest WRX/STI is supposed to have very good steering, a typical Subaru weakness/Evo strength.

ttribe

Seriously, quite trying to instigate conflict over nonsense. That's the very definition of an Internet Troll (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll).

MTEAZY

I'm the instigator?

ttribe

Yes, you are:

You could have made your entire point without that nonsense. I've seen you do it before and you actually have insightful things to say from time to time. But then you just crap all over that image of being reasonable with things like this. You've singled me out for this crap in the past, now you're doing it to CM. Let it go, man.

MTEAZY

Was I wrong?

ttribe

Who, exactly, is having a "hissy fit" over the comparison results?

Costco

At least he's valid about the steering. I dunno about this new WRX/STI but the steering in my BRZ is awesome. Nothing like you'd expect from a Toyota. It's nearly almost as precise as an S2000, but with better feel.

The Evos I've driven felt great. Subarus, not so much.

00TL-P3.2

I'd agree here, granted I've only driven a few of each, but I always liked the EVO more that the WRX/STi.

RPhilMan1

I just don't like how the Evo MR is automatic only and the GSR is a 5-speed manual.

I do like how the STi has been a 6-speed for quite a while, and now the WRX gets that update. Plus the DCCD on the STi is pretty sweet to have.

Always loved the STi but if I were to hypothetically ever buy the new model I would definitely make it a requirement to modify the exterior.

It looks like Evolutions are really holding their value well. 2011 and up models are staying above 33k, with some even having 20k miles or more.

RPhilMan1

Jeez, for the 2015 WRX and STi, Subaru now charges $2500 for the navigation, audio, and keyless system package.

Back for the 2012 and 2013 models it was $900 for navigation.

http://www.subaru.com/build-your-own/wrx.html

oonowindoo

I don't know about that....... If there is any more "feel" to the s2k steering, i might as well put hands on the tires while they are moving.

iforyou

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From the road tests I've seen so far, it looks like the new WRX and STI are much more fun to drive than before. Too bad there will be no more EVO to compare with.

Costco

It's been a while, but there was definitely something about the S2000 steering that bothered me. This was regular street driving around town and highway, not autocross or anything.

The S2000 goes exactly where I want it to, which is awesome. But the steering is a little light. I normally don't like DBW and EPS, so maybe my bias is showing. Some companies do it right though. I tend to like Miata, 370Z and Evo steering more than the S2000. That's not to say the S2k is bad, not at all. Others are just better.

Again, the S2000 goes where I point it. It just was more vague than I prefer. Or my memory could be off.