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Old 07-31-2007, 09:55 PM
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my god the new impreza looks craptacular way to fuck it up suburu.
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Comparison Test: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3

Two Affordable Turbocharged Wagons Face Off
By John Pearley Huffman, Contributor Email
Date posted: 08-05-2007


Sport compacts have it hard. Cars like the 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX and the 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 — along with competitors like the Honda Civic Si, Mini Cooper S and Volkswagen GTI — are expected to do mutually contradictory things with something approaching perfection. They're supposed to be quick but economical; athletic but comfortable; sporty but practical. Oh yeah, and they can't cost a lot.

Go ahead and dream the impossible dream.

In last year's six-car sport compact comparison test it was the then-new 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 that did the best job of pulling off those tricks. And just behind it in 2nd place was the 2006 Subaru WRX TR. Now, with the 2007 model year dribbling to an end, Subaru has introduced a new 2008 WRX that's both lighter and roomier.

But is it enough to knock the Mazdaspeed 3 off its precarious perch?

Subie Do, Mazda Do, Too
By stretching the Impreza WRX's wheelbase 3.7 inches to 103.1 inches, Subaru has produced a significantly roomier cockpit for passengers. Meanwhile, the new five-door body style (a four-door sedan is also offered) keeps the overall size tidy with minimal overhangs and total length of just 173.8 inches — 2 inches shorter than the 2006 WRX TR four-door sedan. Width remains unchanged at 68.5 inches while overall height has risen from 56.7 to 58.1 inches.

At 3,167 pounds, the all-wheel-drive WRX wagon is only 45 pounds heavier than the 2006 WRX TR and 9 pounds lighter than the five-door Mazdaspeed 3, despite the fact that only the Mazda's front wheels are driven.

This is partially due to the Mazda's slightly larger size. Its wheelbase is 0.8 inch longer than the Subaru's and its total length is 3 inches greater. It's also an inch wider and half an inch taller.

So they're sized about the same inside and out, but under their skins these turbocharged wagons couldn't be more different.

Powerful Arguments
Subaru and Porsche are the only carmakers that still believe in the benefits of the flat engine. The new WRX's turbocharged and intercooled 2.5-liter DOHC 16-valve horizontally opposed four is an updated version of the same engine that's been powering Subarus since Wisconsin was admitted to the union.

Now rated at 224 horsepower at 5,200 rpm (400 rpm earlier than in '07), Subaru has given up a bit of peak power to improve low-end torque, and 226 pound-feet at a mere 2,800 rpm (down 800 rpm from before) is impressive. Bolted to the engine is a five-speed manual transaxle that feeds the Subie's ubiquitous all-wheel-drive system.

In contrast, the Mazdaspeed 3's power plant appears relatively conventional: a turbocharged and intercooled 2.3-liter DOHC 16-valve inline-4. But this is Mazda's Direct Injection Spark Ignition (DISI) engine — the same advanced technology power plant Mazda puts in the larger Mazdaspeed 6 sedan and CX-7 crossover.

Using a direct-injection fuel system, the DISI is rated at 263 hp at 5,500 rpm and 280 lb-ft of peak torque at a measly 3,000 rpm. It's also particularly smooth thanks to a pair of counterrotating balance shafts that knock out most vibrations. It's attached to Mazda's compact "three-shaft" six-speed manual transaxle that supplies power to the front wheels.

Door Handle to Door Handle
The generous torque band and distinctive sound (sort of like a VW Beetle operating underwater — which, in a sense, it is) of the Subaru's flat four are as appealing as ever, but it just doesn't have the same thrust and flexibility of the Mazda motor.

Although the Subaru's 5.9-second 0-60 time is two ticks better than the Mazda's 6.1-second clocking, it's all due to its traction advantage at launch. By the end of the quarter-mile, the two cars are dead even at 14.5 seconds and the Mazdaspeed 3 is going 98.7 mph compared to the WRX at 94.4 mph. Considering the difference in power ratings, none of this is surprising.

The surprise was that this Mazdaspeed 3 was slower than the preproduction Mazdaspeed 3 in last year's comparison test. That car made it to 60 in just 5.9 seconds and traipsed through the quarter-mile in 14.2 seconds at 100.1 mph.

Because this production Mazdaspeed 3 was absolutely brand-new with less than 500 miles on its odometer, it may just be that its engine would loosen up with some mileage and it would get quicker. Or it could be a natural variation because the cars were tested on different surfaces. Or maybe the engineers were just extra, um, attentive to the preproduction car. Feel free to speculate.

Either way, there's no denying the Mazdaspeed 3's torque steer on launch, but in most every other respect, the combination of the DISI's flexible power band and the sure-shifting six-speed gearbox is significantly better — and ultimately quicker — than the Subaru.

Suspension of Disbelief
Sometime during the development process, Subaru decided to skip roll stiffness as part of the WRX's suspension tuning equation. The car has good reflexes, but go into a corner hard enough and by the apex you're half expecting to scrape a sideview mirror off on the tarmac. We also miss the tossability of the old WRX, which has been replaced with understeer.

A new double-wishbone independent rear suspension replaces the struts used on the previous WRX, but the lack of roll stiffness doesn't seem to be isolated to the tail. Instead this seems to be a choice by the engineers to maximize ride comfort at the expense of cornering prowess. As it is, the WRX's 0.81g skid pad and 67.7-mph blast through the slalom are solid, but not up to the Mazdaspeed 3's better 0.86g skid pad twirl and outstanding 69.3-mph slalom performance.

Noticeably stiffer than the WRX without being uncomfortable, the Mazda's turn-in and steering response are among the very best around and the car remains flat even in grossly off-camber corners. This is an excellent-handling machine, but like the Subaru it's not really possible to rotate the car around corners. The levels of adhesion are high enough, however, that the car is absolutely blazing before it heads into understeer.

As in the previous WRX, the new WRX's steering is quick, precise and nicely weighted. The steering is heavier than the Mazda's, but it provides great feedback. Both cars also have effective four-wheel disc brakes and unobtrusive antilock systems. The Mazda took 113 feet to stop from 60 mph while the Subaru needed 121, but both cars would be better with brake pedals that had more progressive actions and more feel.

On a mountain road, the Mazda is fun to toss in a way few other cars priced under $30,000 are. And it's satisfying to drive even slowly.

Everyday Cars for Every Day
Ford's C1 platform underpins the Mazda 3 and Mazdaspeed 3 (as well as Volvo's C30 and S40) and it's the most substantial-feeling compact-car chassis out there. In the Mazdaspeed 3 the ride is stiffer than in other C1s, but it's always poised, even when chucking itself from pothole to road divot to gutter crack. And it's relatively quiet, doing a good job of isolating out most road noise despite the car's relatively large 215/45ZR18 Bridgestone Potenza RE050A summer-spec performance tires.

The WRX, on the other hand, transmits more road noise through its structure, even though less aggressive 205/50R17 Bridgestone Potenza RE92A tires are fitted. The Subaru feels tight and well built, just not as impregnable as the Mazda.

Its lower cowl height, an advantage of that flat engine, gives the WRX better overall visibility than the Mazda, but Subaru didn't press that advantage with the WRX's interior design. Like its exterior, it's somewhat drab and uninspired.

The front seats, for instance, have nicely shaped backs but the seat bottoms are flat and everything is upholstered in two tones: drab gray and drabber black. There's plenty of room for stuff in this logically laid out interior, and the oversize, easily read gauges glow a brilliant red, but no one in there is going to be overjoyed by what they see. At least they kept the tach in the center of the instrument panel, which should keep the faithful satisfied.

Mazda hasn't been shy about decorating the Mazdaspeed 3's interior. There are aluminum covers for the pedals, red accent stitching on the steering wheel and upholstery and the seats have been assertively bolstered for support. Turn on the Mazdaspeed 3's radio and red LEDs light up in sequential celebration of the system's activation. If the Mazdaspeed 3 interior's flamboyance is too much, then maybe the whole car is too flamboyant for you. But it looks like a sporty car's interior. And in practical terms, it's at least as usable for day-to-day tasks as the Subaru.

Price Matters
At just over $25,000, the Mazdaspeed 3 isn't cheap. But the Subaru WRX came in at an as-tested $27,595. Of course the WRX has the advantage of all-wheel drive and if you live in Colorado, New Hampshire or Vermont that can make all the difference come wintertime. Still, if performance-bang-for-your-hard-earned-buck is the bottom line, you'll be better off moving to a warmer climate and buying a Mazdaspeed 3.

It's hard not to be somewhat disappointed by the Impreza WRX. It's a good car, but it's wrapped in lackluster sheet metal and doesn't have the edge it needs to be a consistently entertaining driving companion. Here's hoping the WRX STI that's coming sharpens this car into something spectacular.

Last year the Mazdaspeed 3 rose to be crowned the king of the sport compacts. Its spot on the throne is safe for now.
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Old 08-06-2007, 06:29 PM
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Two things that Suburu should have addressed:

1. RE92s! These tires are shit. I had them on my 00 Maxima, which was 7 years ago. Invest in some new tire technology!

2. Can't you give your customers an updated engine?
Old 08-07-2007, 09:42 AM
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:39 AM
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Expect to pay $29,595 for a five-door 2008 WRX with the satellite radio and navigation package and a five-speed manual transmission.


The STi is going to be like $35k
Old 08-09-2007, 02:02 PM
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Hood pins I get, but trunk pins?

Looks cool, but that damn front overhang is god awful.
Old 08-10-2007, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
Hood pins I get, but trunk pins?

Looks cool, but that damn front overhang is god awful.
less weight? replace all the hardware like locks and what not and replace it with pins? just a guess...


im diggin it, but i wonder why subaru has such a problem coming up with a good front end...
Old 09-17-2007, 06:00 PM
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Some pics from Frankfurt Auto show.

I'm a diggin it.
Old 09-17-2007, 06:02 PM
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Love it, but the clear tails kill it. I saw a regular Impreza with the clear tails and they looked really cheap.
Old 09-17-2007, 06:47 PM
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I liked the alpha front end a lot. This one is too bland. Its the like crappy generic front they just gave the tribeca.
Old 09-17-2007, 07:09 PM
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I'm diggin the rally version as well. Looks a tad more agressive than the bland thing that's on the streets right now
Old 09-17-2007, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Python2121
The only thing I don't like about them is when people shut your doors by pressing on the window. OMG YOUR PUTTING FINGERPRINTS ON MY WINDOW. OMG I CAN SEE IT FLEXING AHHHH!!!!
ohh i know what you mean, i had a friend that did that all the time, pissed me the f*ck off...

if i ever get a car with frameless widnows, hes never getting a ride.

i personally used the outside door handle to close the door, whats so hard about that.
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2009 WRX STI -1st Official Photo

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I've seen that sports grille on teh Subaru site. the bottom bumper is changed as well. the hood scoops looks wider too.
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New Spy Photos: 2009 Subaru Impreza WRX STI



Date posted: 09-20-2007


SANTA MONICA, Calif. — Now just over a month away from its official debut at the 2007 Tokyo Auto Show, spy photographers have again captured the 2009 Subaru Impreza WRX STI, this time offering the clearest shots yet of the hot-rod version of the Impreza WRX.

Prior prototypes were still heavily padded and taped around the fender flares, but this latest Subaru is essentially undisguised. The true shape of the STi's bulging fenders, along with the front integrated air duct, is now visible.

Performance specifications have not yet been released, but the STI is expected to produce approximately 325 horsepower from its turbocharged flat four-cylinder engine when the much-anticipated Subaru goes on sale in 2008.

What this means to you: Hang in there, Subie fans; the wait is almost over.
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still on the fence with this one...
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Official Subaru Impreza WRX STI pictures

Official Subaru Impreza WRX STI pictures
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better than I expected but still
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Front is ok, but that rear is horrible.

Doesn't look like a hatch, not quite a wagon.... LED altezzas ftl. Mean looking front ruined by the rest of the exterior. At least it doesn't look like there's a microwave sticking out of the hood anymore.
Old 10-09-2007, 07:38 AM
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I am going out on a limb here but I like it. Does it look like the previous Sti that I loved- not in the least- but it is not too bad. I have to see it in person before I can count it out.
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looking better, but that hoodline and windsheild slope still look to me.
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The interior looks much better than the evo x.
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Originally Posted by gsi00154
The interior looks much better than the evo x.
The last STi did as well, not really all that surprising.
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looks alot better on the silver car with a little contrast between the materials. Very Ford Focus Cosworth style, I think they want to fity in at rally and in the market...
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not bad, but not great. The interior is nice.
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I wish the STi came in sedan form......
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The last STi did as well, not really all that surprising.
True.
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looks alot better on the silver car with a little contrast between the materials. Very Ford Focus Cosworth style, I think they want to fity in at rally and in the market...
I think white with gold rims may also be an interesting color combo.
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It's kinda odd looking, but I don't mind it at all. I wonder how it'd look in sedan form.
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I really want to know what the estimated MPG is going to be on the 2008 STi. Its supposed to be direct injection or so I heard which is supposed to improve fuel mileage. Hatches aren't my favorite but I dig it with the right set of wheels.
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not nearly as bad as i was expecting. i would consider rocking that.
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Originally Posted by gsi00154
The interior looks much better than the evo x.
Subarus tend to have nicer interiors in general. They're kind of like the Japanese version of Audi.
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Actually I'd rock that. White with gold rims as mentioned, would probably look hot. The plain WRX's on the other hand ..
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