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Old 11-06-2014, 03:17 PM
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Subaru: Forester News **STI Teased (page 1)**

I searched "Subaru: " and could not find a page for the Forester. I personally own one and I love the thing. There was a discussion about the STI in the TLX thread, so here's what I found.

Subaru provides first glimpse at upcoming Forester STI
Have you been patiently awaiting an STI version of the Subaru Forester? Your wait may be over soon, good friend, as teaser images of just such a vehicle have surfaced online.

Set to debut on November 25, the 2015 Subaru Forester STI will reportedly feature more aggressive aero and cooling, upgraded rolling stock and brakes, and Subaru Tecnica International's signature bright-blue paint and red accents.

What we don't know is what will provide the motivation. There's a pretty big gap at present between the 250 horsepower offered in the top-of-the-line Forester 2.0XT and the 305-hp WRX STI, and we don't know where along the spectrum the Forester STI might fall. Nor do we know, for that matter, if it'll be offered Stateside. But we're looking forward to finding out.
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There's something about wagons that made me go nuts.

Love Foresters.
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There's something about wagons that made me go nuts.

Love Foresters.
We love ours. It's just got so much more character than its competitors, and you can't beat AWD standard, IMHO.
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Would you say that a Forester is a better vehicle than an RDX?

I'm talking in fit & finish,seating comfort,power,and most of all reliability.

I know looks are all personal taste,so aside from that.

Any feedback on how satisfied with the dealer/warranty issues?

I talked with a customer today,and asked how they liked there Cross Teck ( I think that's the name )and they couldn't say enough great things about it.

Thanks for any feedback.
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Would you say that a Forester is a better vehicle than an RDX?

I'm talking in fit & finish,seating comfort,power,and most of all reliability.

I know looks are all personal taste,so aside from that.

Any feedback on how satisfied with the dealer/warranty issues?

I talked with a customer today,and asked how they liked there Cross Teck ( I think that's the name )and they couldn't say enough great things about it.

Thanks for any feedback.
My thoughts are simple on this subject.

Fit and finish: We can't really compare these one on one, simply because they do not really compete with each other. Because the Forester is a Subaru, the AWD is standard, which is unique to that vehicle. I don't really notice the boxer engine on my wife's 2014 Forester, but at the same time, the car feels glued to the road, and if you live somewhere where weather gets snowy, you'll appreciate it.

Comfort: The interior on the RDX is no doubt better, but because the current gen RDX is due for an upgrade, you can get almost all the equivalents on the Forester.

Power: The Forester is a bit underpowered for its class. Its boxer four cylinder gets the job done. If you're willing to get the turbo and pay a little extra, you get class leading power (which I think beats the RDX).

Reliability: While Acura (and Honda, of course) have a reputation of reliability, my understanding is the Forester benefits from the same characteristics of my TSX. The engine is a Subaru staple, and their AWD system is employed across all their vehicles.

Looks: Obviously you nailed it on the head. It's a matter of taste. The Forester is a great looking car and not too boxy for the class, IMHO.

Dealer: My dealership is a good one and they do kind of treat the Subaru like a kind of lifestyle thing. They do a good job, wash it when I come by. No complaints. They honestly make me want to swap my TSX for a WRX nearly every time I go there. So far the thing has been solid.

We tried a number of models (including the CRV and the CX5) and my wife could not stop thinking about the Forester. We love it. It exists almost entirely for carrying our two dogs from place to place, and we don't regret it for a second. The heated seats, leather, and the like are added bonuses compared to her old Rav4.

Is it better than an RDX? Probably for the price. The CVT is a little annoying, but all around Subaru appears to be in a good groove with their recent models.
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I have to chime in and say that my Subaru dealer (Pacific Subaru in Torrance) was super cool. It's like the coolest dealership I've ever been to. The salesmen and women are all car junkies. They all drive modified WRXs and STis, no joke. lol It was like the first dealership that have people who know what they are talking about.
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I have to chime in and say that my Subaru dealer (Pacific Subaru in Torrance) was super cool. It's like the coolest dealership I've ever been to. The salesmen and women are all car junkies. They all drive modified WRXs and STis, no joke. lol It was like the first dealership that have people who know what they are talking about.
Our's clearly knows what they're selling and they are in tune with the type of people that buy their cars. I couldn't be happier with our Subaru dealership. We went to Subaru of Austin and they were kind of average, but Subaru of Georgetown was more where it was at for us.
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Exactly. It seemed like they wanted to make money from work and dump it right into their car.
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At this year’s New York auto show, Subaru yanked the sheets off the fifth-generation of its popular Forester crossover. While the parts list is pretty much standard-issue Subaru -- a 2.5-liter flat-four engine, all-wheel drive, lots of room for people and dogs -- it’s still a step into the future for Subaru. The biggest push for the new Forester comes in the form of safety tech, namely the new DriverFocus system. The technology uses facial recognition software to make sure you’re not exhausted or playing with your phone. The available DriverFocus system works with Subaru’s EyeSight technology suite, which is now standard across the Forester trim levels.

Powering the new Forester is the aforementioned 2.5-liter boxer four that’s good for 182 hp and 176 lb-ft of torque; the only available transmission is Subaru’s Lineartronic
, which gets a manual mode with flappy paddles on the Forester Sport and Touring variants. The CVT feeds power into the standard Symmetrical All-Wheel-Drive system. Subaru claims the combo is good for 33 mpg on the highway, it's still awaiting EPA certification.


For the 2019 model year, Subaru makes features like a 6.5-inch infotainment screen, automatic climate control and its suite of safety features standard.

The new Forester gets a longer wheelbase, more headroom and more hip room than the outgoing model. There’s also more cargo space, a wider rear door opening and more rear legroom. Basically, that means it’s a “Family Truckster” that’s gotten even more capable at hauling kids and your everyday essentials.

Along with EyeSight, Subaru added more standard features to the new Forester’s parts list. New standard parts include: LED headlights, automatic climate control, automatic stop/start, Active Torque Vectoring, Trailer Stability Assist and a 6.5-inch media system with Apple CarPlay, Android Auto and SiriusXM ready to go. You can opt for a bigger 8.0-inch screen and in-car navigation, but that’ll cost some extra coin. More features like a panoramic power moonroof, roof rails and push-button ignition become standard at various trim levels.

The new Forester goes on sale later this year; Subaru hasn’t mentioned a price, but we wouldn’t be surprised to see a small increase considering the added standard features.

Read more: 2019 Subaru Forester: Here's everything you need to know from the New York Auto Show
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Such a shame that they dropped the 2.0T in the forester engine lineup. They pulled the same move as Toyota did when they dropped the 3.5 V6 in the Rav4.
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Subaru needs to step it up with the Forester, these numbers are horrible 182 hp and 176 lb-ft of torque
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Bring back the XT! And give it a 6MT
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Bring back the XT! And give it a 6MT
Very few people buy mtís even in cars, let alone crossovers. But in the case of the Forester I think it would work well because the Subaru crowd is usually pretty brand loyal and a 6mt Forester XT would work for a lot of guys who owned a WRX but became a dad and canít keep the WRX. The Forester also has some legitimate off-road capability with the decent ground clearance and symmetrical AWD....the off-road crowd usually prefer manuals as well. This could be a good niche market for Subaru to get into.
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I think if they allowed for 'special orders' with a manual option, it could work. So the dealers don't have to stock a really slow mover.
But true, that your WRX/STi owner that needs an SUV & doesn't want a CVT there could be a market for it.

But, even our local Mini dealership, last I checked, only had 1 MT vehicle on the lot 99% autos.
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I think if they allowed for 'special orders' with a manual option, it could work. So the dealers don't have to stock a really slow mover.
But true, that your WRX/STi owner that needs an SUV & doesn't want a CVT there could be a market for it.

But, even our local Mini dealership, last I checked, only had 1 MT vehicle on the lot 99% autos.
Agreed, special orders would be a really cool idea and exactly it would mean they donít have to stock hard to move models.

Autoís have gotten really good these days with many meeting and exceeding the performance of manuals IMHO. But of course it wonít ever be the same as a true manual. What is worrying me now though is that the CVT is taking over. Nissan has always been fully team CVT, it is now creeping into the infiniti line too. Honda has slipped the CVT into the Civic, Accord, CRV, HRV, Fit...etc. Subaru has gone full CVT too now (the fact they put a CVT in the Ascent is crazy to me and ruined the car for me, they could have easily borrowed an 8AT from Toyota). Toyota has a CVT in a large portion of itís cars too. Kia just put a CVT in the Forte when it always had a traditional auto before. Before you know it our only transmission is going to be CVT. I donít care what anyone says, CVTís are absolutely awful. They try and make them ďshiftĒ to simulate gears which defeats their purpose. In 5-10 years probably very very few cars will even offer conventional autos.
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With car companies progressively adding more gears, we're slowing inching toward CVTs everywhere. Curious what comes next after the 10ATs.
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With car companies progressively adding more gears, we're slowing inching toward CVTs everywhere. Curious what comes next after the 10ATs.
I mean when you think about it, a CVT is basically the culmination point of the auto transmission. Itís capable of mimicking more gears than any real theoretical auto can and it can keep the engine revving at itís boiling point forever. I heard that they were going to be used in F1 cars way back in the 80ís and 90ís or something like that and they were banned because they were simply too good at keeping the cars on boil.

Well Honda has a patent for a triple clutch 11 speed transmission. So I canít imagine it going more than that. Mazda is claiming that 6 speeds is good enough and that more is basically overkill (not sure if they are saying this becaus it would cost them too much at this point to make an 8AT). I personally think 7 or 8 close gears is perfect. Anymore and itís just superflous. But of course you still see later Hondas/Acuras running perfectly fine with 5 gears so Iím not sure at what point does X number of gears start equalling more harm than good.
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I think if they allowed for 'special orders' with a manual option, it could work. So the dealers don't have to stock a really slow mover.
But true, that your WRX/STi owner that needs an SUV & doesn't want a CVT there could be a market for it.

But, even our local Mini dealership, last I checked, only had 1 MT vehicle on the lot 99% autos.
It's not just the stocking of the car that is the problem, it's that the overall logistics of offering such a thing would be insane. You'd have to manufacture different mold tooling for the interior, stock those parts in addition to the normal parts, tool the manufacturing line to be able to handle both and therefore double stock any different parts there as well, then find a place to store these cars before they get sold or find some way to convince someone buying an appliance to wait 6-8 weeks to get their car when they can just have this one on the lot in AT right now. Then there's the whole registration aspect because MT's are considered different cars than AT's and have to be tested as such...etc...

All this for the 4 or 5 people who would pay and wait to get one every year.
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Right, definitely a losing proposition.
The Forester is not like a Mini, BMW or Mercedes, where the average buyer is ok waiting 2 months from order to delivery.
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I mean when you think about it, a CVT is basically the culmination point of the auto transmission. Itís capable of mimicking more gears than any real theoretical auto can and it can keep the engine revving at itís boiling point forever. I heard that they were going to be used in F1 cars way back in the 80ís and 90ís or something like that and they were banned because they were simply too good at keeping the cars on boil.

Well Honda has a patent for a triple clutch 11 speed transmission. So I canít imagine it going more than that. Mazda is claiming that 6 speeds is good enough and that more is basically overkill (not sure if they are saying this becaus it would cost them too much at this point to make an 8AT). I personally think 7 or 8 close gears is perfect. Anymore and itís just superflous. But of course you still see later Hondas/Acuras running perfectly fine with 5 gears so Iím not sure at what point does X number of gears start equalling more harm than good.
There are some CVT's that are good, the Honda ones being the best examples, and there are some that are horrendous (cough, Nissan, cough). Subaru falls somewhere in the middle. For these engines with peaky power delivery lower in the rev range, it makes sense to have a CVT that can both keep the revs low to save gas and keep the engine in the middle of the power band for performance. You also have to remember that 95% of the car buying public has no idea what a CVT is, what it does, and why it's good/bad so it doesn't really matter. They probably even think that it's some cool new thing that they should pay more for.
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^ True, non-car people probably have no clue outside of "I don't spill my latte when it shifts"
Of the few that I've had the displeasure of driving, the Nissans were the worst. I think the most recent was a Murano rental back in around 2014-2015.
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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/her...sti-would-look

Performance SUVs are all the rage right now. Should Subaru rejoin the pack?

Last week marked the 30th birthday of Subaru Tecnica International. You probably know it better as STI, the division that’s churned out some of the very greatest performance cars in recent history.

Most of its wares are Imprezas or WRXs, but there’s been the odd exception, with Legacys and Foresters getting a powertrain tickle and some bigger spoilers. Which is probably what’s inspired this render by X-Tomi Design. They’ve taken a look at the all-new Forester – revealed at the recent New York Motor Show – and waved their electronic crayons over it to imagine an STI version.

The likelihood of this car actually being made – at least in a form that’s more than just a styling pack – is slim. Subarus are more about an arsenal of safety tech these days, and the WRX STI saloon has been culled in Europe. But we can live in hope, especially when performance SUVs appear to be the thing at the moment. And Subaru was one of the very first to make one, after all…

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https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-subaru...ter-1829239253

It may not look too different, but the 2019 Subaru Forester is all-new, with better handling, reduced road noise, an impressive amount of standard features and an almost ironically-named new Sport trim that altogether almost make up for its desperately slow acceleration. But there’s still plenty on offer if you’re okay with not being a speed freak.

The 2019 Forester is the fifth-generation of Subaru’s compact crossover SUV thing, with this generation feeling a lot more like an SUV in the best ways. While it doesn’t look very different from the outgoing model, the new Forester sits on a new global platform and gets a new Sport trim and a bunch of little quality touches that deliver a lot of improvement.

And the new, relatively-minor shift in styling makes sense if you look at Subaru’s numbers, as it claims the fourth generation doubled sales for the model and became one of the brand’s hottest sellers. Don’t fix what isn’t broken, and all of that.

If you’re curious about whether the Forester is right for you, Subaru claims 47 percent of Forester owners go hiking, 45 percent own a dog, and 19 percent are on at least their third Subaru. If that’s you, stop reading here and call in to your local dealer. Just get it over with.

One of the biggest changes include the use of the new global platform, a scaled-down version of what’s riding under the new seven-seater, 19-cupholder Ascent. Subaru claims the platform makes the car a lot stiffer and a lot quieter driving down the road. That, coupled with an 7 percent increase in steel in the structure should make the ride safer too.

The other big change also boosts safety, as Subaru’s EyeSight driver assistance technology is now standard on all trim levels of the new Forester. The system is camera based, as opposed to radar based systems found on some other cars, and provides standard active cruise control, forward collision warning and brake assist, and lane-keep assist all as standard. It sits mounted inside the top of the windshield in a cute little robot-looking package. And you can also turn all the stuff off, if you want.

Other little improvements include remote start, automatic locking (yes, this is just now a standard feature on the Forester), Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are now standard, and some extra shoulder space and cargo room gets added, thanks to that new platform.

While that’s all well and good for the majority of the people who will buy these, many of you readers will be disappointed to hear that the manual transmission option is gone for good (because only 3 percent of buyers optioned it, you losers!), leaving the CVT automatic as the only choice.

On top of that, the only engine that Subaru wanted to talk about is the heavily revised 2.5 liter four-cylinder Boxer. It only offers up to 182 horsepower, and while it feels hardworking, it’s pretty slow.

The only thing anybody wanted to talk about at dinner was whether or not there’s a Turbo in the future, but it doesn’t seem like Subaru is very committed to answering that just yet (maybe because they claim only 5 percent of Forester buyers optioned it on the last generation, again, you losers!)

Completely new to the Forester lineup for 2019 is the “Sport” trim. It’s the punched up dark blue model with black and orange detailing you’ve seen in the photos above, and it slots right into the middle of the trim lineup.

Despite the Sport name, it doesn’t get any more power than the rest of the lineup, at least for now, and is still only available with the CVT automatic transmission. What is unique about it is a bespoke sport drive mode setting, which tries to make the engine work a little harder to get the power down quicker, and which offers a seven-speed manual mode with steering wheel paddle buttons that tries to convince you the CVT isn’t a CVT. The Sport also offers a second X-Drive off-roading mode tuned for wetter, muddier situations.

On the road, the Sport suffers from the same lacking acceleration and performance as the rest of the lineup, even in its Sport Sharp mode, but does wake things up to sound and drive just a touch sharper. It definitely benefits from the improved handling of the new platform, which uses the brakes to employ a torque vectoring system that works really well withe the standard all-wheel drive. It was enough to feel fun to drive on the tighter Blue Ridge Mountain roads.

If I was going for one of these new Foresters, I’d have a hard time passing the Sport trim up. I love the dark blue color of the test car we shared around, and the orange accents inside and out, which show up on the bumper, roof rails, side and rear guards, interior air vents, stitching, and gear selectors, all makes for the most aggressive and best-looking trim option, and edges the Forester further away from your standard crossover look.

While not exactly the sportiest of things, the three different trims I did get to check out all made good on Subaru’s claims of a quieter and smoother ride. As I said, the cornering is confident and even sort of fun, and if you’re carrying any hard-earned momentum from managing to actually get the thing up to speed, it can handle it.

I did get to do a little off-roading, which essentially boiled down to fooling around on the hill behind a giant random mansion, and the conditions were dry so we only tested the standard X-Mode. What’s great about X-Mode is that it can be just a one button affair. You push down on the selector and you’re ready to go. Subaru had us test the hill descent control on what I think they claimed was something like a 27-degree slope, I took my foot off the brake and it performed as advertised.

I also want to repeat how smooth this thing feels driving down the road, only undercut by the exhausting way you have to try to keep your speed up when looking to have fun. On a bumpy gravel road, the suspension ate just about everything up, and for the entire trip I never felt like I was even close to losing traction.

Inside, you’re seated in a comfortably tall position and it feels like there is a ton of space, and most of the contact surfaces are padded enough to avoid feeling cheap. The screen apps available on the optional 8-inch infotainment setup were easy to use, and while touch-response wasn’t instant, it was nowhere near frustrating. The Forester is definitely something that’d be easy to live with day to day.

On that note, some of the interior touches do feel a little on the cheaper side in typical Subaru fashion, like the wiggly, unimaginative plastic buttons under the infotainment screen, and even on the top Touring model, I was still facing awkward hard plastic button-delete inserts.

It didn’t help that most of the climate control and screen controls were draped in smear-prone plastic piano black trimming, which has become the bane of my existence. I can’t understand why seemingly every automaker has made it their go-to trim choice.

Other notes on the interior include the sheer amount of buttons. While I firmly believe physical buttons and controls are ideal, having a button for every single possible screen-switching, radio control, active cruise control and safety system gets a little overwhelming. As I said with the standard EyeSight system, you can turn everything off, but I can’t see a lot of reason why most people would. The buttons could have easily been relocated into the screen settings.

Tucked on the underside of the steering wheel is more buttons dedicated to the second screen that sits above the main high on the dashboard. They’re a little awkward to use and only switch through what shows up on this little screen, displaying stuff like real-time wheel traction and descent angle and stuff, which is great for the passenger to enjoy but virtually ignored by a driver doing their job. I didn’t see a lot of point to it.

Beyond those nitpicks, I wasn’t in love with how some of the Forester trims looked. While the Sport looked a little aggressive and rugged, the lighter color and chrome accents of the Premium and Touring models I drove made the vehicle seem torn between a crossover and SUV, and not in a good way. It’s not really bad, I just found that outside of the Sport model, the trims have a really hard time standing out from one another, despite some major price differences.

The Forester’s biggest offense, though, is just how slow it is. It barely feels tuned to even satisfy a standard highway on-ramp test, and struggles to get to highway speeds. The Boxer has to work way too hard to get power and torque in when it counts, and it’d be nice if Subaru could work out a way to get it even marginally quicker when taking off.

Ultimately, the 2019 Subaru Forester is a solid, comfortable, capable and affordable little AWD SUV. I like how it rides, and I’m glad it looks a little tougher. Subaru sells a ton of these, and there’s no reason the trend won’t continue here.

While I wish it could be quicker, Subaru knows it’s selling as many of these as it can build, and its focus on pushing more standard safety equipment shows it probably knows better than me and is focused on what counts.

Still, a turbo would go a long way in making this thing damn near untouchable as an fun, affordable little weekend off-roader.
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Make the Sport an XT, add the turbo 2.0 or 2.5.
I drove an '07 XT from Vegas-ish to past St George, UT years ago. Going through the gorge part of the drive in AZ, was a blast.
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https://www.carscoops.com/2019/03/ne...id-powertrain/

Subaru is introducing its mild hybrid technology to European customers at the Geneva Motor Show with the new Forester eBoxer, which takes the place of the axed diesel variant of the previous generation.

Subaruís eBoxer mild hybrid technology pairs the companyís 2.0-liter flat-four petrol engine with a small electric motor mounted in the transmission, a reengineered version of Subaruís Lineartronic CVT unit. The petrol engine produces 148hp (150PS) and 143lb-ft (194Nm), with the electric motor adding an extra 16hp and 48lb-ft (65Nm) of torque.

Features like the permanent four-wheel drive system remain unchanged. The new mild hybrid Subaru Forester can be driven under electric power alone very briefly and at low speeds.

The battery pack is mounted on the rear axle, giving the Forester eBoxer a lower center of gravity and better weight distribution than its petrol counterpart. Subaru hasnít announced yet any official fuel economy figures, including CO2 emissions.

The new fifth-generation Forester is slightly and wider than its predecessor, offering bigger interior space and a more practical boot. The interior is made by better-quality materials and also claims to be quieter too.

The new mild hybrid eBoxer powertrain is also going to be offered in the XV (or Crosstrek, depending where you live). Subaru will launch the new Forester eBoxer alongside the XV eBoxer in Europe by the fall of this year.


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That e-boxer badge is cool AF.
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