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Old 11-30-2011, 02:36 AM
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They uglified it very well for the production model.

And a N/A boxer engine?
Porsche does it
think of this as cayman/boxter for people who cant afford to put down 50 grand on a car that isnt practical.
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Porsche does it
think of this as cayman/boxter for people who cant afford to put down 50 grand on a car that isnt practical.
50 Grand? I wish...try 60 - 70 Grand.
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And a N/A boxer engine?
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And for sure they'll offer a turbo version. The STi concept is not the production model being released. I have to believe a turbo version will be due out in the next model year.

If it had 250 hp in a RWD car that weighs 2,700lbs that's a recipe for fun.
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With the release of the official car/images, I like the Subaru version better, too.
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I think it looks good.


And +1 on the 250+ HP.
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New details on the BRZ. Not sure if they're entirely accurate though, 200 hp/151 lb/ft seem weak for a 2.0 liter direct injected turbocharged H4.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...ls-live-photos

At about the same price, would you buy a new rear-wheel-drive 2013 Subaru BRZ sports coupe or an all-wheel-drive Subaru WRX STI? With both cars ringing in at approximately the same price, you might think that the new BRZ might divert customers from the legendary rally hatchback. But as we saw at the Tokyo Motor Show yesterday, as Subaru officially pulled the wraps off its production BRZ, this all-new coupe will appeal to a very different crowd.
With the BRZ’s first show, Subaru released extensive technical and feature information for the model, which, officials say, will start in the vicinity of the STI’s base $34,095 (for 2012)—or slightly lower.

BRZ for more affluent, sophisticated crowd than FR-S

Elaborating a bit on how the BRZ matches up with Scion’s FR-S, which is closely related, Subaru said that its customers for BRZ will be more mature and affluent than those looking at the Scion; and thus, Subaru’s model will sell for several thousand dollars more but include considerably more equipment, such as HID headlamps, keyless start, and automatic climate control. Additionally, the BRZ's front grille and airdam appear somewhat more aggressive than that of the Scion FR-S—although we might not be getting the uniquely chiseled rear valance in the BRZ shown at Tokyo.

The BRZ’s curb weight of under 2,800 pounds isn’t high by today’s standards, but within a few model years, considering all the weight-reduction initiatives within rival automakers, it could be one of the more portly vehicles in its class.

Premium fuel is required for this new turbocharged, direct-injection 2.0-liter horizontally opposed (‘flat’) four-cylinder engine. Termed D-4S, it borrows Toyota direct-injection components and has a perfectly square 86-cm bore and stroke. In U.S. form, expect it to produce just over 200 horsepower and near 155 pound-feet of torque. Transmissions are Toyota (Aisin) units—a six-speed automatic and a six-speed manual, both adapted by Subaru for the brand’s longitudinal layout and flat-four engines.

The return of frameless doors!

Also of note is that the BRZ is a return to form for Subaru: There are no door frames. With the frameless doors comes an especially strong application of Subaru’s ring structure, with more high-tensile-strength steel than even other recently introduced models. Furthermore, the BRZ was designed from the start with extra headroom to accommodate a roll-cage installation, and the frameless doors as well as a special dash design make that a bit easier.

Headroom aside, the BRZ looks quite intimate inside, with a very small backseat that, with the seat moved much of the way back, allowed nearly no space for legroom.

The BRZ, which stands for Boxer Renaissance Zenith (or Boxer Rear Zenith, depending on which Subaru official you check with), will be produced on the same assembly line as the Impreza. And while the BRZ shares a few components, such as some of its front suspension, with the Impreza, its flat-four engine, mounted especially low in the BRZ, will help give it one of the lowest centers of gravity—and hopefully, some of the best handling dynamics—of any current small sports car.

On sale, Spring 2012

According to officials with the automaker, the Subaru BRZ will arrive to the U.S. next spring—about the same time as Japan—and the U.S. version will be offered. Expect formal pricing and features to be revealed in February—likely coinciding with the Chicago auto show.

In the mean time, browse through these images, fresh from the BRZ’s appearance at the Tokyo show.
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I would be kinda pressed to choose a BRZ over an STI if the BRZ started at $30k or higher. I'm not a fan of paying more for less (just speaking generally, not relative to the WRX STI)... unless it's for an Elise or something.

Better yet, I'd rather get a Mustang 5.0 busted manual transmission and all. I have qualms with a lot of the current crop of sporty, 2-door cars in the $20-30k range as far as styling goes. The Mustang and Challenger are two that I don't have any complaints about.





but going back to the price point... if the price were around or slightly less than the STI wagon for a turbocharged BRZ.... that's a no-brainer. I'd get that any day over the Mustang. No AWD either, please. Keep it RWD, affordable and with HIDs, keyless start, auto HVAC, etc. standard.
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Over 30K.
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New details on the BRZ. Not sure if they're entirely accurate though, 200 hp/151 lb/ft seem weak for a 2.0 liter direct injected turbocharged H4.
That's because it isn't turbocharged. It's 197/151 naturally aspirated which for a 2.0L is pretty good.
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Over 30K.
No. It's going to cost ~$25k

That story linked above has several errors.
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Subaru BRZ pricing starts at $24,000

I hope this proves to be true:

Journo-tweets from the Subaru BRZ's Japanese launch are offering up new insight on that half of the Subyota equation. Most specifically, pricing and options. The BRZ will reportedly start at around $24,000 and rise to $27,000 for the Limited model.
According to Twitter traffic, the BRZ will come in two levels of trim, the base-level — called, strangely, Premium — which includes navigation (yes, standard), eight-speaker audio, soft touch dash, limited-slip diff; leather-wrapped steering wheel (tilt-telescopic), shift knob and e-brake lever; six-speed manual; aluminum pedal covers and cruise control, among standard features.

The BRZ Limited model adds leather seats with Alcantara trim, fog lamps, rear deck spoiler, 17-inch rims and vented discs (16" front, 15" rear).

Naturally, that boxer-four growl comes standard on all models, but you can't tell that from the launch video.


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We already know the 2,689-lb BRZ will produce identical horsepower to its Toyota GT 86/Scion FR-S cousin; that's 197 hp and 151 lb-ft using the same boxer four. That's Miata-fun stuff, right there.
The Subaru BRZ will go on sale in May 2012, with modest sales expectations of 3,000-4,000 units per year, which leads us to believe a bit of demand-pressurization might occur at the beginning of next year.

Anyone care to bet what the dealer markups might look like?
http://jalopnik.com/5864550/subaru-b...tarts-at-24000

Ed Lohs twitter feed with info on the car: http://twitter.com/edloh

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Navi and LSD standard.
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24k, and those things standard. I think I'm sold. Gotta start saving up!!
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Originally Posted by mrsteve View Post
That's because it isn't turbocharged. It's 197/151 naturally aspirated which for a 2.0L is pretty good.
not trying to start anything but i hardly find the numbers impressive. Honda made about the same numbers back in the early 90's with their b series in the integras...
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First imprezas 2.0T in europe was 211hp and 2.0 non turbo was like 110hp.
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not trying to start anything but i hardly find the numbers impressive. Honda made about the same numbers back in the early 90's with their b series in the integras...
The B18C made 130tq. Even the K20 in the old Si can't match the torque the boxer engine makes.

The numbers arent impressive. The weight, handling, and the fact that its RWD is however.
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The B18C made 130tq. Even the K20 in the old Si can't match the torque the boxer engine makes.

The numbers arent impressive. The weight, handling, and the fact that its RWD is however.
I'm thankful that a pair of new RWD coupes have been developed. But I must admit, based on those numbers, these twins are not going to satisfy me need for power.
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151 torque? come on. my NA boxer Forester has 170. granted it has a 2.5 but they cant get more torque or hp out of the 2.0? i have a feeling that there isn't going to be much aftermarket performance support, short of forced induction, to get any real power gains.

although i love Subaru, i think i would go for a Gen Coupe 2.0t over this. 2 grand less and turbo potential.

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but there will be either supercharger kits or turbo kits availble and toyota is currently working on something as well as the subaru

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/su...ing-40885.html
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I think it's too early to say whether it'll feel underpowered or not. As for the 2.5 being able to make more torque - keep in mind it's also sitting in a much heavier car.
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Originally Posted by 03tLsNBP View Post
although i love Subaru, i think i would go for a Gen Coupe 2.0t over this. 2 grand less and turbo potential.
Base Genesis 2.0T 6MT - 3,294lbs, 210hp, 223tq

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I think it's too early to say whether it'll feel underpowered or not. As for the 2.5 being able to make more torque - keep in mind it's also sitting in a much heavier car.

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Base Genesis 2.0T 6MT - 3,294lbs, 210hp, 223tq
2013 Base Gen coupe = ~270HP and ~270 Tq
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Biggest problem about genesis 2.0T is that they have 5speed tranny or does the 2013 has a 6speed ?
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Base Genesis 2.0T 6MT - 3,294lbs, 210hp, 223tq


...yes. and it's 2 grand cheaper and already comes with a turbo. Lot of potential.
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2013 Base Gen coupe = ~270HP and ~270 Tq
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Porsche does it
think of this as cayman/boxter for people who cant afford to put down 50 grand on a car that isnt practical.
Porsche never disappoint. NEVER.

And no, I can't think of this as a poor man's cayman/boxster.
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Porsche never disappoint. NEVER.
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You disappoint every time.
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Originally Posted by JS + MS3 View Post
Porsche never disappoint. NEVER.

And no, I can't think of this as a poor man's cayman/boxster.
Thing is though, you have to commend Subaru for doing what they are going for.

This is there first RWD car in america?

And from everything I've read about this car, none felt disappointed. They said 200hp is plenty but they could use more.
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Originally Posted by 03tLsNBP View Post

although i love Subaru, i think i would go for a Gen Coupe 2.0t over this. 2 grand less and turbo potential.
Have you driven the 2.0T?
I've driven the Genesis 2.0T and don't start with the BRZ being under powered. I'm willing to bet the BRZ will run circles around that car. Remember I'm speaking about the 12' genesis. The genesis is quite slow IMO. Really slow in fact. The 2.0T wasnt all for power either, its supposed to have good handling, which I bet the BRZ surpasses too. So other than more room and turbo potential I dont see how the Genesis beats it. Unless those are your top priorities which for me its not.

I know you guys say the tuning potential of a turbo is so much better, which it is I won't argue with you there. But you can't set that as your primary evaluation. Unless that is the first thing you look for in a car. And unless you only buy turbos because of that dont keep throwing that point out there.
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I have driven the Gen coupe 2.0t (though it was an automatic) and I don't deny that Subaru handles better and might even be faster in a straight line in stock form. But as of now, I can't see how the 24K starting price tag is justified. I will have to see one in person.

I guess the Scion will be the cheaper entry level version?
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This thing is really ugly. Should be a fun little car to drive but I would definitely take a Gen-coupe over this...
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2013 Base Gen coupe = ~270HP and ~270 Tq
True, I just checked it out. I was only looking at the 2012 models. I dont keep up on the Genesis news since IMHO the car is ugly as sin. Have they released a price for the 2013 models?
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