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There's no demographic that's targeted more often than young, affluent males. Though these buyers may not have quite as much expendable income to throw at new car purchases, automakers are still very keen to cater to the needs of Generation Y in an effort to earn a customer for life.

Toyota is no different than any other automaker in this regard; perhaps even more so as the Japanese giant's customer base is just about as old as that of Buick. In an effort to resolve that issue, Toyota created the Scion brand in North America back in 2002 and has been marketing the heck out of its up-and-coming feeder marque ever since.

The ploy has mostly been successful. Toyota merrily points out that Scion has the youngest average customer in the industry and that 71 percent of all 800,000 or so Scions have been sold to buyers who are new to the Toyota family. Interestingly enough, with a median age of 26, it's the tC coupe's 310,000 total sales since 2002 (accounting for 41% of all Scion production) that manages to attract the youngest customers of all.

In other words, while the funky xB may be the most recognizable, it's actually the tC that is the brand's most important product. Therefore, Scion absolutely needs the new 2011 tC to be a runaway hit. Especially since the second-generation of the xB has, by many measures, failed to live up to the successful formula set out by its straight-ruled predecessor.

So does the new tC pass muster? We set out to answer that very question when we grabbed the keys in sunny San Diego. Read on to find out what we learned.


We'll start with the most obvious aspect of the new tC's design: the exterior. While the new car obviously shares a good deal of basic DNA with the first-gen car, in person we found the 2011 model to be significantly more masculine in appearance. From its sharper and more angular fascia to the steeply cut upward slashing C-pillar cut that dominates the side profile, it's easy to see that Scion wanted a more aggressive shape for its latest youthmobile.

You've seen this car's roofline before. Scion debuted the Helmet Visor Theme (their words, not ours... though it's an apt descriptor) with the Fuse concept from the 2006 New York Auto Show. That conceptual styling exercise was the inspiration behind the 2011 tC, and that's especially apparent when comparing the two machine's profiles – note how the blacked-out A- and B-pillars highlight the visor-like shape of the roof and C pillars.


Whether or not you approve of Scion's latest styling direction, we're at least pleased to see that the 2011 tC isn't quite as feminine as its forebearer, and company officials assure us that this was purely intentional. Apparently, when it first hit the market, Scion's little coupe was purchased by men about 60 percent of the time; in recent years, that percentage has completely flipped to a female-dominated audience.

Scion has made a number of improvements to the new car's cabin. Indeed, the company boasts that the tC has an "entry-level Lexus" interior. We're not willing to go that far, but we couldn't really find fault with the car's interior plastics or fabrics... at least not for its expected price point. Note, too, that our testers were all pre-production samples. The most significant interior upgrades for 2011 have been made to the steering wheel and the three stereo options (each of which now boast 300 watts of power and eight speakers, though the head unit's installation still remains aftermarket in look). We were especially pleased with the new wheel, which is now the envy of cars costing three times as much as the little tC. There's a very nice leather wrap around the newly thicker rim, and the three spokes feel nice and sturdy. Redundant radio controls are now standard as well. But the best part of the new steering wheel is the flat bottom, which makes the humble tC's interior at least appear sportier than its predecessor.


And now for the $64,000 question: Is the new sportier look backed up by a sportier driving experience? Well... in a word, no. At least not in its base guise. While the 2.5-liter four pushes out 180 horsepower (a useful improvement of 19 horses over the outgoing 2.4 liter), nobody is going to mistake the 2011 tC for a sportscar. But honestly, that's just fine with us. Scion seems to understand what the essence of the tC should be -- and that's something better described as competent and well-mannered than overtly fast and hard-edged. That's not to say that the car can't boogie, however. In fact, we spent some time in a tC equipped with the dealer-installed TRD 19-inch wheel and tire package and upgraded swaybar, and that car was legitimately entertaining to drive.

We sampled tCs with both the standard six-speed manual and the optional ($1,000) six-speed automatic, and we'll go ahead and cast a (predictable) vote in favor of the row-for-yourselfer. While the automatic was typically Toyota-like in its operation – which is to say quiet, smooth and unobtrusive – it also shifts up early and often in an effort to reach its EPA estimated 23 miles per gallon in the city and 31 on the highway. Those economy figures are matched by the clutch-equipped model, but it feels significantly quicker and is much more rewarding to drive with the manual transmission. Toyota claims a 0-to-60 mph run of 7.6 seconds with the manual and 8.3 with the auto. Sounds about right, though most of the engine's grunt (173 pound-feet of torque) comes down low. There's plenty of noise as the engine runs up to its 6200 rpm rev limiter, but certainly no push-you-back-into-your-seat feelings. We do expect a dealer-installed supercharger option at some point...


Initial throttle tip-in with the automatic is a wee bit more aggressive than we would like for initiating smooth progress, but not so objectionable that it's a deal breaker. What's more irksome is the auto's glaring lack of steering wheel paddle shifters and its maddening propensity to upshift and downshift seemingly on a whim – even in manual mode.

Scion has strummed a nice, soothing chord with the 2011 tC's ride and handling feel, as it tracks down the road well, turns in with minimal body roll and doesn't beat its passengers to oblivion in the process. The driver and passenger each get seats with adequate bolstering for the job at hand and the steering wheel's tilt and telescoping functions mean any driver should be able to find a comfortable position. Those wanting a firmer ride can opt for an upgraded set of TRD springs and dampers. We did note a fair bit of interior noise, likely due in part to the car's hatchback body design and open rear storage area.



Speaking of storage, we don't have any specific measurements to share yet, but our subjective opinion is that there's plenty of room available with the rear seatbacks (a 60/40 split, for what it's worth) folded down flat. Rear seat legroom is pretty much as you'd expect – tall passengers won't want to be behind a tall driver, though comfort is surprisingly decent once in place, especially since those back seats can recline up to 10 degrees.

Considering the young demographic this car is aimed at, safety is of paramount concern. To that end, Scion has equipped the 2011 tC with standard ABS brakes with electric brake-force distribution and... *ahem,* a brake over-ride system that cancels throttle application when the brake pedal is depressed. Traction and stability control (user defeatable) are also standard, as are eight total airbags and tire pressure monitoring.



All in all, Scion seems to have shot off just about a perfect bullseye with its latest tC. It no longer looks like the car your girlfriend's best friend would drive and it's a competent driver with plenty of room for aftermarket and dealer-installed upgrades. You won't be challenging Volkswagen GTIs, V6 Ford Mustangs or Hyundai Genesis Coupes, but that's okay. Some people just want a stylish car that's cheap to buy and economical to drive. And, at its $18,275 well-equipped starting price, that's exactly what Scion has crafted with the 2011 tC.


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For someone looking for a sub-$20k coupe this is a logical choice.

But it just does absolutely nothing for me.
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Exotic coupes are a dime a dozen -- actually, more like a million dimes each and up -- but inexpensive sporty hatch-coupes are a fading lot. From the ranks of the old Mitsubishi Eclipse, Toyota MR2, Acura Integra and even the Ford Probe and Mazda MX-6, we're down to a precious few 2-doors you can buy for less than $20,000, and still have a good time at the wheel.

The 2011 Scion tC wants to be in any place we talk about sports coupes and hatchbacks, so much so that Scion flew us out to San Diego this week to take our first spin behind the tC's wheel. After a day of looping around the hills east of town and circling the airport like a 757 trying to thread the needle into the city's notoriously tricky airport, we came away more impressed than ever with the tC, or really, with any Scion, on a fun-to-drive basis. We'd still want to spend a fairly lavish amount on the aftermarket pieces, but the bare-stock car is now something you'd be happy to pit against the likes of the Kia Forte Koup, the lame-duck Ford Focus 2-door, the Honda Civic Coupe and even the spark-free Honda CR-Z.

If you're female, you might think the tC's a mite less appealing, though. Follow the he-she stereotypes through the Scion's new shape, and tell us: is this a shape girls will like, too? Its collection of straight edges have crisped up the 2011 tC's design out of mock-Celica doldrums and into a new happy place of visual distinction. From the side, the big notch in the rear quarter glass is supposed to look like a helmet. We're seeing a mix of GT-R, Camaro and Cylon in the profile. Some fitting sci-fi references are at work, for sure, and they turn concrete when the tC wears its "cement" paint color, a battleship grey that mimics a Steelcase desk (or an ur-Audi TT). The angles slashed into the front and rear ends amplify what we think is something like...design character? We can only hope they're putting this much thought into that on-again, on-again rear-drive FT-86 coupe.

Carried through the cabin, that magically rediscovered T-square puts some starch in the Scion tC's instruments and controls and some glaring lapses in finishes. The fat steering wheel has a flat bottom, and begs your attention as soon as you slide into the wide, sculptured front seat. It's not enough to distract us away from the trifecta of differently grained plastics that hook up in an unnatural way right over the glovebox, but the cockpit wears red-lit gauges well, and the cut-tube gauges and Reese's-sized climate controls inject some function-over-form simplicity that we are loving, after having spent all afternoon deciphering the identical chromed radio buttons on a 2011 Toyota Avalon.

On to performance. The 2011 tC, fully pimped out, does an uncomfortable price overlap with a 2011 Ford Mustang V-6 that will smack it down with sub-6-second acceleration runs all day long. Tucked under the $20,000 limit, the tC outdoes any front-drive coupe from Japan at the price, with juiced-up power and grip that's just aching for some kind of forced-induction abduction.

There's but 1 drivetrain you'll get in any tC, a 2.5-liter 4-cylinder with variable valve timing and a variable intake manifold. It's related to the bigger 4 in the base Camry, and reels off 180 horsepower with a smooth, churning resonance with a slight burble in its tuned exhaust that surfaces around 3200 rpm. It's by no means a zingy powerplant, but it gets the job done from a 600-rpm idle up to its 6400-rpm redline. With the larger engine (up 0.1 liters), the four puts out 18 more hp and 11 pound-feet over the '10 edition, and Scion says that's enough to boost the tC to 60 mph in about 7.6 seconds with the manual gearbox, or 8.3 seconds with the automatic.

Scion pairs up the 4 with a 6-speed manual transmission with a nicely weighted shift lever and a crazy-light clutch uptake, or a sequential-shift automatic with its manual mode hanging off the left slot from Drive. Guys will choose the stick, but there's relatively little shame delivered with the automatic. It'll remember your driving style, so downshifts will come at a decent clip if you hammer on the throttle or slide the shift lever left, and down. Scion's skipping any kind of paddles for now, which we hate, but at this price point it's not much of a surprise. Either version nets you 23/31 mpg, up a couple miles per gallon on both counts over last year.

On the roads in and out of San Diego, the tC's ride quality came up at the top of its charming list. And in this case that's not fatal for a sport coupe. Even with 18-inch stock wheels (and 19-inchers an option), the tC rides calmly over the kind of perennial construction you see all over downtown San Diego and the mild pavement waves that ripples over I-8 eastbound. Toyota had tC hatches with TRD racing pieces installed, and the thick stabilizer bars turn the car into more of a sledgehammer on these kinds of streets, but an unmodified tC and its independent suspension is a fairly nerve-soothing choice among sporty cars. Electric power steering actually feels good here, too, as do the bigger all-disc brakes.

Exactly as long overall as before, this year's tC has gotten wider on paper. The span across the interior's not much bigger, but the front seats have. The big bolstered buckets have good grippy cloth all over, and they're wide--so wide, even football builds will feel fine after a few hours behind the tilting, telescoping wheel. We have no kudos here for the standard sunroof, since it robbed me of the 3/4-inch of headroom I needed to avoid contact with the fuzzy roof liner.

In back, we'd give all those missing props. Not only will adult-sized adults get in there easily enough, they'll find a backrest that reclines a few degrees, almost guaranteeing most passengers will find a comfortable seating position. The front seats also have a memory function so when they're flipped forward, they'll reposit themselves as they were before you opened up the doors to the party crowd.

Since Scion puts the USB jack in front of the shift lever, I found more use for the shallow bin ahead of it. The console's a bit too skinny, and in a skin-flint touch, it's all hard plastic, like most of the dash. The glovebox is pretty shallow as well--but the cargo area under the hatch can hold a few roll-aboards and has a pair of deep bins for rattly things like tire gauges.

At a base price of just a hair under $19,000, the 2011 Scion tC hits almost all the notes you'd want to hear in this gadget-addled category. Standard gear includes power windows, locks and mirrors; cruise control; steering-wheel audio controls; XM satellite radio; tilt/telescope steering; and that sunroof, which lights up the cabin but comes with a flimsy pull-forward shade that slips out of its track more often than you'll have the patience to correct. The glass roof also has a pop-up mesh wind deflector that doesn't really change the volume of noise generated by the raised panel, just the frequency.

For safety's sake, the tC comes with 8 airbags, the 2 unusual ones being front-passenger knee airbags. Stability control and anti-lock brakes are standard, too, and the tC has a switch to turn off the stability control.

Scion's put a ton of effort into audio, as you can see from the list above. The base head unit has 300 watts of power and eight speakers molded into the door panels and dash, and while it's more loud than crisp and clear, it's what the people want (the people being someone around 26 years old, Scion says). The midrange option is an Alpine unit with a small screen for an available plug-and-play navigation system I thought was too small for easy use and clarity. Spend all you can on Scion's accessory sound and you'll get a touchscreen navigation/audio system with some wonky gen-II iPod controls programmed in--though it does include Bluetooth streaming and phone controls as well as HD Radio. There's no SYNC to be found--and if you don't splurge on the top-dollar head unit, a separate Bluetooth accessory will cost you.

Will that be the thing that drives people from Scion over to Kia or Hyundai, where they hand out Bluetooth like Tic-Tacs? We doubt it, and we're far more ready to "like" the tC's driving feel compared to the clunky manual and slightly squishy feel of the Forte Koup. It's not a tremendous value any more, but the tC finally has some character to call its own.

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I don't know but I feel like every part of this car went backwards instead of forwards. It almost is to me like this should have been the first gen and the current model would be released after it. Both the interior and exterior seem to look worse instead of better.
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last gen Elantra + Dodge Avenger = Scion TC.

i love the steering wheel though.

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Is this a complete redesign or another refresh? Kinda looks like a mix of both.
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^ its a 2nd generation.

i like the front end but the rear end and interior are very cheap looking
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and I feel like they could slap a Lexus badge on this thing and it would fit in the current Lexus line up, what with its pinched grilles and sharp corner angled headlights.
Toyota needs to start differentiating their Toyota & Lexus brands. Even Hyundai now has found its own voice when it comes to designs. (I would use Acura as an example but unfortunately while it now has a family look across its lineup...it doesnt work )
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Sure, go ahead, throw the 2011 Scion tC into the next corner, but don't expect it to make a play for your emotions with spot-on steering feel. No, man, this isn't a Mini or a Mazda. Just like the original tC, the 2011 Scion tC is all about nailing the minutiae. Styling matters. Passenger space matters. Features matter. And Scion's trying to get it all under one roof for less than $20,000.

This is a tall order in 2010 money, but when the redesigned tC coupe-hatchback arrives at dealers this October, you'll be able to get it for $18,995 with a manual transmission or $19,995 with an automatic.

Of course that's $1,375 more than you had to pay for an automatic-equipped 2010 tC. But the 2011 Scion tC has more horsepower, 2 extra forward gears and a revamped suspension. This is progress, even though the car doesn't feel radically different from before.

More of the Same Is OK?
You might think Scion would try something radical with the tC redesign, though, because Toyota's smallest division is struggling.

Back in 2006, Scion sold 173,017 vehicles. That dropped to 113,848 in 2008. In the awful year of 2009, only 57,775 cars found homes, and this year, Scion is on pace to sell even fewer. The tC has seen the steepest drops of any Scion model, as sales fell from 40,980 in 2008 to 17,816 last year to 7,756 units in the 1st half of 2010.

Is it the economy, stupid? Probably, that's part of it. The median Scion tC buyer is only 26 years old, and we know plenty of people under 30 who aren't pulling down enough income to manage a car payment right now.

But you can't leave the cars out of it, either. Scion is supposed to show us the passionate side of Toyota. And though we've seen some risk-taking in the exterior design of these cars, this certainly hasn't happened in the performance department. The Scion tC is safe and predictable enough for your grandma to drive, and that shouldn't be.

Strong Motor, Smooth Automatic
Still, you and your granny will like the 2.5-liter four-cylinder in the 2011 Scion tC. Borrowed from the Camry, this engine looks good on paper. The 2.5-liter is rated at 180 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 173 pound-feet of torque at 4,100 — significant gains over the old 2.4-liter engine (161 hp, 162 lb-ft).

The goodness goes beyond that, though, as the engine delivers ample torque right off the line and retains its vigor and smoothness all the way up to its 6,300-rpm redline. There's even a bit of an exhaust note that gives the tC a hint of sportiness without entering the realm of the annoying. Of course, there's a louder TRD accessory exhaust. You can get an upgraded intake as well, but there won't be a supercharger at launch.

Of the 2 new transmissions, we prefer the 6-speed automatic. It's quick with shifts in "D" (though considerably less so in Manual mode) and impressively smooth. The 6-speed manual offers slightly shorter gearing, but the clutch take-up is a little vague and the pedals aren't set up especially well for heel-and-toe downshifts.

Fuel economy is the same (23 mpg city/31 mpg highway/26 mpg combined) with either transmission, but the manual-shift tC is quicker, with a predicted 0-60-mph time of 7.6 seconds versus 8.3 seconds for the automatic version. This is right in line with the automatic Kia Forte Koup SX we tested (8.4 seconds), but slower than the Mazda 3 s (8.1 seconds). Notably, Scion does not count the Kia among the tC's key rivals, instead zeroing in on the Mazda, the Volkswagen Jetta and Golf and the Mini Cooper.

Same Basic Chassis
The 2011 Scion tC is the same size as last year's model. It's still 174 inches long, it still rides on a 106.3-inch wheelbase, it's still 55.7 inches tall and it only weighs 100 pounds more (due to added standard equipment). Its track has been widened by an inch in front and 2 inches in back, mostly to make room for its newly standard 18-inch wheels and 225/45R18 91W Toyo Proxes all-season tires.

Suspension design is the same, too, as the tC shares its front struts and rear double wishbones with the European-market Avensis and Auris. We're told that compression damping has been increased, and that slightly higher-rate springs and thicker stabilizer bars have been fitted — all in the name of improved handling. Steering switches from hydraulic-assist to electric-assist in the name of fuel economy. The brake discs are larger in diameter, front and rear.

Getting down a back road in the 2011 tC is no problem, as the car doesn't fall all over itself with body roll or understeer. But that fun-to-drive thing is absent, as the car also doesn't really communicate with you.

Ride quality is about what you'd expect with 18s, which is to say tolerable but not optimal. Road noise is moderate. Scion tCs fitted with the 19-inch TRD accessory wheels ride a bit more harshly.

Good Seats, Lots of Features
We never cared for the thin seats in the original Scion tC, but the front seats in the 2011 model are immediately comfortable. They're an inch wider than before, the better to accommodate our American-size frame, and better shaped as well. The thick-rimmed, flat-bottom steering wheel might be a bit much if you have dainty hands, but the telescope adjustment certainly does help.

Scion carved out another inch of legroom in the backseat, and with an easy-entry feature on both front chairs, getting in back is no problem if you're of the 5-foot-10 persuasion.

Materials quality is nothing special, but Scions have never been standouts in this department. The standard features list has gotten a bit longer, though, as every Scion tC now comes with knee airbags for the driver and passenger. The panoramic sunroof remains standard, and for reasons we don't quite understand, Scion is offering three different audio head units. All have iPod integration, but the midrange Alpine unit gives you plug-and-play options for an aftermarket navigation system or back-up camera, while the high-line unit gives you a conventional built-in nav system.

Does This Formula Still Work?
Scion officials tell us, "The tC is our only dedicated model. It's the clearest representation of our DNA."

Therein lies the problem, because the 2011 Scion tC is a car without a singular mission. This coupe-hatchback has to do too much. It has to give equal priority to style, feature content and out-and-out affordability. There's just not enough money left in the budget to do anything very exciting with the car's chassis.

This reminds us why we're the writers and not the product planners. Had Scion asked us to redesign the tC, it would look like a 1987 Honda CRX and ride on 16-inch wheels. We'd have blown the budget tuning the chassis before we even got around to details like a panoramic sunroof, a deluxe sound system or knee airbags. But we digress.

It's in fashion to say that tech-savvy people in their 20s aren't interested in driving and that cars should cater to that lack of interest. But the not-very-sporty Scion tC hasn't sold well in years, so perhaps more of the same is not the answer. What's needed instead is a car with stronger character, a car that's all about the drive.

And we have it on good authority that such discussion is already happening at Scion. "The marketplace still demands fun, high-performance vehicles," says Jack Hollis, vice president of the Scion division. "Scion has positioned itself perfectly in that world with tuners and accessorization, and it would be great to top that off with a rear-wheel-drive application. It would probably have to be a car that was a little over $20,000, because I would want to make it such that it would be a car that was substantial for Scion."

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This car looks outdated already, inside and out.

Wake me up when the FT-86 is here...
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im in two minds about the new tc ... i think like any new car it will take some time to get used to ... but the steering wheel sure is sexy!
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lol it looks like the rear has rear-end damage. :barf:
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^ for under 20K that's pretty good. The Honda's 2.4 can go all the way up to 200hp as seen in the TSX, but you can't even get that on any Honda-branded cars, highest they'll let it go is 180.
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I guess I'm their target group (20, male).

Zero interest. I want my buddies to want to ride in my car. I want people to look at my car and appreciate it. But this is something I'd just laugh at. It's ridic. I wouldn't want to be seen in this car, just like when I was forced to drive a 01 VW Jetta for a few months between the time I got rid of my Dodge Ram till the time I got my TSX. I wanted to duck at every stop light, at every point I was driving on campus in that Jetta. I didn't want to be seen driving that thing.

That's the same way I feel about the tC. The back is just too silly. To me, the front doesn't go along with the rest of the body. There's no flow to the design.
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^ for under 20K that's pretty good. The Honda's 2.4 can go all the way up to 200hp as seen in the TSX, but you can't even get that on any Honda-branded cars, highest they'll let it go is 180.
Correction 190HP (see Honda Accord Coupe).
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Post 2015 Scion tC Release Series 9.0

Press release...

Vibrant magma orange and designer details transform the new Scion tC Release Series 9.0 into a driver’s show car. Scion joined forces with Jeremy Lookofsky of Cartel Customs to create the limited edition, two-tone version of the sports coupe.

Scion will produce just 2,000 of the tC Release Series 9.0 vehicles which will feature a unique black and magma exterior, an aero kit designed by Cartel Customs, a center exhaust, a Smart Key with Push Button Start featuring the “Cartel Logo” and orange front seat belts.

Orange stitching carries the theme through to the steering wheel and seats, while orange paint adds an exotic look to dashboard components, door panels and shifter surround. The blacked out Scion badge brings a final aggressive detail to the front face.

“The Scion tC Release Series 9.0 stands out from the crowd with a bold exterior look and high-end details,” said Scion Vice President Doug Murtha. “This limited series tC will excite drivers looking for a show car they can drive every day.”

Other features of tC Release Series 9.0 include:

Black finish alloy wheels with matching center cap
Gloss black finish side mirrors and door handles
Release Series badge mirror cover
Toyota Racing Development lowering springs
High-profile rear spoiler
Cartel logo floor and cargo mats

The series vehicles will come with either six-speed manual transmission or a six-speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters and Dynamic Rev Management® technology. The manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) will be $23,190 for the manual transmission and $24,340 for the automatic transmission, excluding the delivery, processing and handling (DPH) fee of $770.

The cars are expected to arrive in dealerships in January 2015.
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Do the executives really see that and say something nice?? ridiculous.
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