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Here are two interesting reads about the GTR's claimed HP numbers
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008...eally-have/?hp
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008...eally-have/?hp
#202
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Its interesting to think about. Sure it sucks...but hell subie and mitsu had a lot of clutches coming in for warranty replacement on STis and EVOs...they started looking really hard at the clutches and if it appeared you were launching the car hard you were denied warranty work.
I honestly see it as a lack of faith in their own product.
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Clutches, my buddy blew 3 transmissions on his Evo before the 12000 mile mark He had modified the car quite a bit so he didn't even bother to go for a warranty claim.
I get their reasoning, but it still think it's lame. Especially because the launch control system handles all the logistics of the launch where on an Evo or STi the driver controls them all.
I honestly see it as a lack of faith in their own product.
I get their reasoning, but it still think it's lame. Especially because the launch control system handles all the logistics of the launch where on an Evo or STi the driver controls them all.
I honestly see it as a lack of faith in their own product.
A hard launch is a hard launch regardless of whether a driver or a computer handles it. Its hard on the car.
Now, I'm curious if VW would deny warranty work o a R32...it has a launch control, too.
#204
Drifting
I believe Nissan, track conditions can make a HUGE difference on such a long track. If Nissan did their run on 100% optimal conditions with a driver who knows the GT-R inside and out, it's possible.
#206
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Let Tsuchiya drive through the Ring, I say.
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I dont think porsche would have any thing to gain by doing that. eventually someone else would try and the results would come out unbiased. And if it were true (nissans production car ring claim) it would give something for Porsche to work up to without any one knowing.
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since were talking about launches i got a good one, a friend of mine had a gt3 and the first time he took it to a drag strip his axle snapped off a launch, after getting it fixed a few weeks later he launched it again off a light and it snapped again.... lol
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If you're routinely snapping halfshafts in a GT3, you're an idiot.
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This just came out today. Nissan releases second GT-R "ring" video.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=133467
What would Porsche say now?
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=133467
What would Porsche say now?
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#217
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nope, my buddy has a GTi that also comes w/ launch control and he does it all the time. The dealer encouraged it
#218
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BMW M5s and M6s have launch control too. Yet they don't hold it above customers heads regarding warranty work though if its used. When a customer spends 80k+ dollars on a car, they expect to be able to use all the features.
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Nissan Offers Porsche Free Driving Lessons, Porsche Vs. Nissan Round 2
From Motor Authority...
Earlier this month we reported on accusations hurled by Porsche towards Nissan, accusing the Japanese carmaker of falsifying the blistering Nurburgring lap time of 7m 29s recorded for the GT-R back in May.
The accusations managed to reach the upper echelons of Nissan management, prompting representatives at last week’s Paris Motor Show to state emphatically that the times recorded for the GT-R around the Nurburgring were achieved "on absolutely standard tires which are available to customers in the showroom," and that any sort of slick tires were never used.
A Porsche chassis engineer took a standard GT-R bought in the United States with regular road tires, and tested it on the same day against a Porsche 911 GT2 and a Porsche 911 Turbo. According to Porsche, the GT-R posted a time of 7m 54s, with the 911 Turbo managing 7m 38s and the 911 GT2 getting down to 7m 34s.
Porsche's contention that the GT-R takes 7m 54s to lap the 'Ring adds a rather significant 25 seconds to the lap time recorded by Nissan's chief test driver Tochio Suzuki. Nissan stated that they were at a loss as to why Porsche was unable to replicate the GT-R's blistering time around the Nurburgring, putting it down to differences between the drivers.
Speaking with Drive, Nissan's European spokesman Neil Reeve stated that Nissan continues to "absolutely maintain (that) Tochio Suzuki pounded thousands of laps and got to know every inch of the Nurburgring and hence set that fabulous lap.”
Reeves went on to comment that it was "flattering that Porsche have bought themselves a GT-R and flown it to Germany" for testing, but that "the people who'd buy a GT-R or 911 Turbo are not the type of people to make a purchase like that lightly.” He also reaffirmed that the GT-R has beat the 911 Turbo during a number of independent tests for both acceleration and circuit lap times.
Nissan has now released an image of the actual tires used for the test plus a second video of the lap as proof that its 7m 29s lap time is legitimate. In an official statement Nissan claims that “there are some important facts that were not accurately represented.”
Nissan has revealed that the GT-R used in the official lap time was actually at a disadvantage due to up to 50kg of testing equipment. According to GTRblog, Nissan has also offered free driver training for Porsche if it wants to attempt a second lap.
The accusations managed to reach the upper echelons of Nissan management, prompting representatives at last week’s Paris Motor Show to state emphatically that the times recorded for the GT-R around the Nurburgring were achieved "on absolutely standard tires which are available to customers in the showroom," and that any sort of slick tires were never used.
A Porsche chassis engineer took a standard GT-R bought in the United States with regular road tires, and tested it on the same day against a Porsche 911 GT2 and a Porsche 911 Turbo. According to Porsche, the GT-R posted a time of 7m 54s, with the 911 Turbo managing 7m 38s and the 911 GT2 getting down to 7m 34s.
Porsche's contention that the GT-R takes 7m 54s to lap the 'Ring adds a rather significant 25 seconds to the lap time recorded by Nissan's chief test driver Tochio Suzuki. Nissan stated that they were at a loss as to why Porsche was unable to replicate the GT-R's blistering time around the Nurburgring, putting it down to differences between the drivers.
Speaking with Drive, Nissan's European spokesman Neil Reeve stated that Nissan continues to "absolutely maintain (that) Tochio Suzuki pounded thousands of laps and got to know every inch of the Nurburgring and hence set that fabulous lap.”
Reeves went on to comment that it was "flattering that Porsche have bought themselves a GT-R and flown it to Germany" for testing, but that "the people who'd buy a GT-R or 911 Turbo are not the type of people to make a purchase like that lightly.” He also reaffirmed that the GT-R has beat the 911 Turbo during a number of independent tests for both acceleration and circuit lap times.
Nissan has now released an image of the actual tires used for the test plus a second video of the lap as proof that its 7m 29s lap time is legitimate. In an official statement Nissan claims that “there are some important facts that were not accurately represented.”
Nissan has revealed that the GT-R used in the official lap time was actually at a disadvantage due to up to 50kg of testing equipment. According to GTRblog, Nissan has also offered free driver training for Porsche if it wants to attempt a second lap.
#222
Burning Brakes
Probably the largest repository of lap times on a single track by a single world class driver, is the Top Gear test track w/ Stig as the driver. While it's a rather short track, it can still give a picture of the relative capabilities of the various cars. The GTR posted a lap time of 1:19.7 sec which is faster than all Ferraris except for the Enzo and all Porsches and Lamborghinis ever tested.
So, should it surprise anyone that the GTR can lap the Nurburgring faster than any 911 variant?
With that said, the tests for various GTRs posted by the car mags have been wildly inconsistent w/ cars running 1/4 mi times of anywhere from mid 11s to mid 12s. Perhaps Porsche bought a weaker than avg GTR.
So, should it surprise anyone that the GTR can lap the Nurburgring faster than any 911 variant?
With that said, the tests for various GTRs posted by the car mags have been wildly inconsistent w/ cars running 1/4 mi times of anywhere from mid 11s to mid 12s. Perhaps Porsche bought a weaker than avg GTR.
#223
Punk Rocker
GT-R = faster than Porsche (even the Carrera GT). Period.
Porsche = better car than the GT-R because you can actually drive them the way they were meant to be driven without fear of destruction. Period.
Porsche = better car than the GT-R because you can actually drive them the way they were meant to be driven without fear of destruction. Period.
#224
Burning Brakes
If I had to choose, I'd take a 911 TT over a GTR, but at the same price point, I'd take a GTR over a 911 Carrera4.
#225
All Japanese F1 drivers = 0 wins (2 3rd places though)
M. Schumacher by himself a mere 91 wins...
'nuff said
PS German drivers who have not won 7 world championships only account for 13 wins and if you discount German wins by drivers not sharing the sir-name Schumacher you have only 7 German wins
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#227
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Probably the largest repository of lap times on a single track by a single world class driver, is the Top Gear test track w/ Stig as the driver. While it's a rather short track, it can still give a picture of the relative capabilities of the various cars. The GTR posted a lap time of 1:19.7 sec which is faster than all Ferraris except for the Enzo and all Porsches and Lamborghinis ever tested.
So, should it surprise anyone that the GTR can lap the Nurburgring faster than any 911 variant?
With that said, the tests for various GTRs posted by the car mags have been wildly inconsistent w/ cars running 1/4 mi times of anywhere from mid 11s to mid 12s. Perhaps Porsche bought a weaker than avg GTR.
So, should it surprise anyone that the GTR can lap the Nurburgring faster than any 911 variant?
With that said, the tests for various GTRs posted by the car mags have been wildly inconsistent w/ cars running 1/4 mi times of anywhere from mid 11s to mid 12s. Perhaps Porsche bought a weaker than avg GTR.
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Here are two interesting reads about the GTR's claimed HP numbers
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008...eally-have/?hp
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008...eally-have/?hp
I wonder what the dynoe would show for the 911T and the GT2.
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See, Nissan mgt was criticised for delaying the launch of the GTR a couple of years ago. Carlos back then said, we will delay it for 1.5 years so we do it right. This is exactly what BMW has been doing. They wont come out with anything that does not make sense dynamically, no matter how long it takes.
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Porsche: Museum in Stuttgart news **More Pics and Press Release (page 1)**
From Porsche via WCF...
Porsche is wasting no time filling up its new Porsche AG Museum in Stuttgart with exhibitions. With interior work on the second floor completing today, twelve exhibitions are already on their way. By the end of this week, the relocation of all 80 exhibits to the new museum will have been completed.
The vehicles have been stored in an off-premises warehouse in Zwingenberg am Neckar until they are transported to the museum. The first exhibits on display include, among others, a 356 Cabriolet, an original ‘11' model and the first prototype of the 924.
"In the last few weeks, we have comprehensively restored all the vehicles and polished them up for their use in the museum," explains Klaus Bischof, head of the ‘Rolling Museum'.
In addition to the exhibition vehicles, the small exhibits and show cabinets have also already been set up. This means that work can be started on the lighting of the exhibition as the next step.
As virtually all museum vehicles are also used on the road and are thus continuously being replaced by other vehicles, the exhibition will constantly change its appearance. As a result, visitors will in future be able to discover different Porsche rarities in the new museum on a regular basis.
The vehicles have been stored in an off-premises warehouse in Zwingenberg am Neckar until they are transported to the museum. The first exhibits on display include, among others, a 356 Cabriolet, an original ‘11' model and the first prototype of the 924.
"In the last few weeks, we have comprehensively restored all the vehicles and polished them up for their use in the museum," explains Klaus Bischof, head of the ‘Rolling Museum'.
In addition to the exhibition vehicles, the small exhibits and show cabinets have also already been set up. This means that work can be started on the lighting of the exhibition as the next step.
As virtually all museum vehicles are also used on the road and are thus continuously being replaced by other vehicles, the exhibition will constantly change its appearance. As a result, visitors will in future be able to discover different Porsche rarities in the new museum on a regular basis.
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#237
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Magazine Tests The GT-R At The Nurburging And Can't Come Close To Nissan's Claimed Time
http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...c/thetruth030/
http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...c/thetruth030/
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Magazine Tests The GT-R At The Nurburging And Can't Come Close To Nissan's Claimed Time
http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...c/thetruth030/
http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...c/thetruth030/
#239
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ indeed
#240
Suzuka Master
Great read